WJC: Canada 2018 Roster Talk

[GangGreen]

2018 draft? I highly doubt it

I figured this silver medal bought the heads of hockey Canada 1 more year

Although I was hoping that they would clean house at the top

I wonder who they pick as head coach for next year ??

I wonder if the emphasis will be on physical players who can skate.

I don't see that many goal scorers for next years tream but I see the same weakness for other nations also

Has to be Kris Knoblauch. Probably the best coach in the CHL IMO. Unless he's moved up somewhere, as has been rumoured the last year or 2. Erie might be in a massive rebuild after this season, so maybe a good time to leave.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Mascherin-Jost-Raddysh
Howden-Steel-Vilardi
Benson-McLeod-Tippett
Dube-Pu-Kyrou
Rasmussen

Bean-Fabbro
Clague-Foote
Hague-Mete
Girard

Hart
DiPietro

No giovani smith ? Over some 2017 draftees for sure

 

[coolwood]

No giovani smith ? Over some 2017 draftees for sure

While I understand that you like the more physical players, Givani is sometimes considered too physical/rough/sometimes stupid (he leads the ohl in penalty minutes). While toughness can sometimes be an asset, we've seen on the international stage that they have zero tolerance for tough guy plays. I can see how some writers may chose to exclude him

 

[93LEAFS]

Merkley may be able to be the rare 17-year-old D-man who cracks the roster (see Ryan Ellis). He's putting up almost a ppg on a terrible Guelph team, so it is almost a lock he will be at this year's U-18 (in which Canada doesn't have too strong a D-core). If he impresses there, I wouldn't be surprised to see him graduated and get at least an invite to the big camp over Hlinka.

His skating on big ice is electric in transition.

 

[Tbaywingfan]

No giovani smith ? Over some 2017 draftees for sure

Maybe over Rasmussen, but taking him over Tippett or Vilardi would be borderline indefensible

 

[PecnoTrunk]

While I understand that you like the more physical players, Givani is sometimes considered too physical/rough/sometimes stupid (he leads the ohl in penalty minutes). While toughness can sometimes be an asset, we've seen on the international stage that they have zero tolerance for tough guy plays. I can see how some writers may chose to exclude him

Even though we did win most of our games we did get pushed around and we didn't finish our checks except for the Sweden game. We played a complete game against Sweden and the physical aspect of that game enabled us to go for gold

We lacked the cycle game which made the 2015 team go for gold

Last years tournament was a disaster akin to "spot" disaster

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Merkley may be able to be the rare 17-year-old D-man who cracks the roster (see Ryan Ellis). He's putting up almost a ppg on a terrible Guelph team, so it is almost a lock he will be at this year's U-18 (in which Canada doesn't have too strong a D-core). If he impresses there, I wouldn't be surprised to see him graduated and get at least an invite to the big camp over Hlinka.

His skating on big ice is electric in transition.

Who are the heavy hitters for Canada's defence for 2018? And what chances do they have at making the team ?

 

[93LEAFS]

Who are the heavy hitters for Canada's defence for 2018? And what chances do they have at making the team ?

Fabbro, Clague and Bean are still eligible. Makar and Foote are projected firsts who are late-birthdays, so I'd say they have a good shot. Hague on Mississauga is another projected first. Plus you have Girard who was cut this year. I'm probably missing a name or two, but those are the big ones off the top of my head.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Fabbro, Clague and Bean are still eligible. Makar and Foote are projected firsts who are late-birthdays, so I'd say they have a good shot. Hague on Mississauga is another projected first. Plus you have Girard who was cut this year. I'm probably missing a name or two, but those are the big ones off the top of my head.

I think he was talking more about big bodies who can impose a physical presence...you know, old time Hockey. crack some skulls.

Hauge and Foote will be the big bodies. And who knows, Foote may do a rethink and opt for playing for the U.S.

personally, I'm hoping to see Dennis Cholowski + a few other NCAA players getting a shot. Hockey Canada has to stop pimping for the CHL.

And I'd be very skeptical about gifting Bean a roster spot just because he's a returnee. That's another Hockey Canada mindset that needs to go.

 

[JackSlater]

I think he was talking more about big bodies who can impose a physical presence...you know, old time Hockey. crack some skulls.

Hauge and Foote will be the big bodies. And who knows, Foote may do a rethink and opt for playing for the U.S.

personally, I'm hoping to see Dennis Cholowski + a few other NCAA players getting a shot. Hockey Canada has to stop pimping for the CHL.

And I'd be very skeptical about gifting Bean a roster spot just because he's a returnee. That's another Hockey Canada mindset that needs to go.

Bean should have to earn it, but the strange thing is that he didn't have to earn it even this year. McKenzie (who actually talks to people Hockey Canada) had Bean nearly as a lock for the top four even though he had played less than a handful of CHL games this year. There was something weird going on with Bean and Hockey Canada. There is history of a returning defenceman getting cut (at least two instances - Ian White and Chris Bigras) so we will see. The ideal situation would be Bean becoming competent.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

I think he was talking more about big bodies who can impose a physical presence...you know, old time Hockey. crack some skulls.

Hauge and Foote will be the big bodies. And who knows, Foote may do a rethink and opt for playing for the U.S.

personally, I'm hoping to see Dennis Cholowski + a few other NCAA players getting a shot. Hockey Canada has to stop pimping for the CHL.

And I'd be very skeptical about gifting Bean a roster spot just because he's a returnee. That's another Hockey Canada mindset that needs to go.

I highly doubt foote will now go with USA. I think him and hockey Canada are committed to each other. And who knows if his junior team gets outed he will most probably join the u18 in the spring like chycrun.

But yes I was talking about the heavy hitters and crunch crunch

This is why I see g. Smith on this team next year and a couple more. I also see Logan Stanley as this will be played on NHL ice

 

[1Gold Standard]

I highly doubt foote will now go with USA. I think him and hockey Canada are committed to each other. And who knows if his junior team gets outed he will most probably join the u18 in the spring like chycrun.

But yes I was talking about the heavy hitters and crunch crunch

This is why I see g. Smith on this team next year and a couple more. I also see Logan Stanley as this will be played on NHL ice

Foote can't play U18 this spring, he's a '98 and this year's U18 is for the '99 birth year.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Foote can't play U18 this spring, he's a '98 and this year's U18 is for the '99 birth year.

I thought a player can play as long as he is 18 or less once the tournament starts

Just like let's say chycrun who turned 18 last year in march but played at the u18 of the same year in April

Ok indeed didnt know thanks

 

[1Gold Standard]

I thought a player can play as long as he is 18 or less once the tournament starts

Just like let's say chycrun who turned 18 last year in march but played at the u18 of the same year in April

Ok indeed didnt know thanks

players born from Jan 1-Dec 31 1998 or younger were eligible for U18 April 2016.

players born Jan 1-Dec 31 1999 or younger are eligible to play U18 April 2017.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

players born from Jan 1-Dec 31 1998 or younger were eligible for U18 April 2016.

players born Jan 1-Dec 31 1999 or younger are eligible to play U18 April 2017.

How about Sean day? Any chance he says yes to a guaranteed spot on the team?

 

[PecnoTrunk]

One last think before I retire for the night

We need to build a team to beat the USA from now on. They are our number 1 opponent , forget the Russians and swedes

The Americans play us in the same way we used to play the Russians in the 90's with desperation

We should have won against the USA we had the lead 2 times and we couldn't finish it off

The USA took out our second best defence and we did nothing, we didn't retaliate (and I don't mean head hunting) we didn't play desperate hockey, we didn't come back with aggressiveness

We didn't play against the USA like we did the Russians of 20 years ago

We need to build a team that is hungry to win and aggressive on the puck. You cannot have 20 Gretzky's on the team.

I hope we come back next year with a fast and VERY aggressive team

I also hope hockey Canada fires everyone!!!

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

How about Sean day? Any chance he says yes to a guaranteed spot on the team?

Sean Day considers himself American now.

 

[wings5]

Who are the heavy hitters for Canada's defence for 2018? And what chances do they have at making the team ?

Josh Anderson, though I don't know if he is good enough for this level. I too kind of miss the days when there was a mix of skill with physical yet competant puckmovers like Staal, Parent combo, Aulie, Myers combo, even Schenn. Need to be able to skate these days though, can't just take physical D who can't move or can't handle the puck somewhat, the game is faster than ever.

 

[1Gold Standard]

One last think before I retire for the night

We need to build a team to beat the USA from now on. They are our number 1 opponent , forget the Russians and swedes

The Americans play us in the same way we used to play the Russians in the 90's with desperation

We should have won against the USA we had the lead 2 times and we couldn't finish it off

The USA took out our second best defence and we did nothing, we didn't retaliate (and I don't mean head hunting) we didn't play desperate hockey, we didn't come back with aggressiveness

We didn't play against the USA like we did the Russians of 20 years ago

We need to build a team that is hungry to win and aggressive on the puck. You cannot have 20 Gretzky's on the team.

I hope we come back next year with a fast and VERY aggressive team

I also hope hockey Canada fires everyone!!!

That's not how it should work. It is a fundamentally flawed strategy. The Americans built a roster to beat Canada at the World Cup. Now, I didn't watch a minute of the WCoH, but news did filter down to me that the Americans weren't that successful taking that approach.

You take your best 22-23 guys, evaluate what you have and develop a strategy that best uses their particular set of skills and hopefully at the end of the day it is you with gold around your neck, but if in a given year your opponent happens to be better in a single game elimination, then tip your hat and move on.


Not everyone at Hockey Canada deserves to get fired, but there are a few who should have been pink slipped after Helsinki. but the people who are making those kind of personnel decisions are too busy calculating their pay raises and bonuses for this year to notice.

 

[JackSlater]

How about Sean day? Any chance he says yes to a guaranteed spot on the team?

Why would Day be offered a guaranteed spot on the team? No one should be offered a guaranteed spot, particularly a played out of his depth at that level and one who suddenly had an epiphany and realized that he is an American.

One last think before I retire for the night

We need to build a team to beat the USA from now on. They are our number 1 opponent , forget the Russians and swedes

The Americans play us in the same way we used to play the Russians in the 90's with desperation

We should have won against the USA we had the lead 2 times and we couldn't finish it off

The USA took out our second best defence and we did nothing, we didn't retaliate (and I don't mean head hunting) we didn't play desperate hockey, we didn't come back with aggressiveness

We didn't play against the USA like we did the Russians of 20 years ago

We need to build a team that is hungry to win and aggressive on the puck. You cannot have 20 Gretzky's on the team.

I hope we come back next year with a fast and VERY aggressive team

I also hope hockey Canada fires everyone!!!

Canada should make the best team it can. Creating a team to beat just one other team is a nonsense strategy that only indicates that your team is at a mental disadvantage before the puck drops.

 

[jj cale]

Sean Day considers himself American now.

Sean Day would consider himself Afghani if he thought it would get him on a national team.

He's a total mercenary, nothing else.

 

[93LEAFS]

Similar to Ho-Sang, Day's antic's (aka showing 30 pounds overweight to Hlinka camp) pretty much got him permanently written off of any chance of remaining in the Hockey Canada program. After being cut from that, he has made it clear he wants to represent the USA. Logan Brown did the same thing after a disastrous Hlinka camp to.

 

[Juniorhockeyguru]

Has to be Kris Knoblauch. Probably the best coach in the CHL IMO. Unless he's moved up somewhere, as has been rumoured the last year or 2. Erie might be in a massive rebuild after this season, so maybe a good time to leave.

I would say Don Hay is the best coach in the CHL. His 700 wins only to Ken Hodge says that.

 

[tacogeoff]

hopefully they don't leave off solid offensive players next year like they did in Sam Steel.

 

[ToewsGretzky*]

I'd like to see Brent Sutter with another chance behind the bench coaching the junior team again.