Can you believe it ?

[achtungbaby]

So are you saying we should never acquire a guy who gets a point of game?

Lots of teams have one dimensional scorers. You put plugs around him to make the team better

And they're available a lot more then good centers or dmen. We should get those guys when we're in contention for the cup. Simple as that.

 

[hotpaws]

So you think it was only us and Edmonton in on Clarkson? wow.

What i think is a number of teams were interested but when they heard the price/term walked away and we were left with tards to bid up the price .

Nonis should have made a reasonable offer and if Clarkson didn't take it he should have had the good sense to walk away .

 

[achtungbaby]

So was it smart for Boston to sign Chara? Ottawa didn't sign him largely because they felt Redden was the guy. so in essence Ottawa dumped Chara.

Oh wait, I get it. In hindsight Chara had a great career in Boston so it was a good move. Got it.

You're bringing up possibly the best free agent signing ever. Care to list all the guys who didn't work out? Also, Ottawa didn't have the budget to keep both and had to choose. They chose poorly. Do you think the Leafs have budget problems?

 

[achtungbaby]

I think the bidding got too high for Jersey. But multiple teams were apparently offering as much as the Leafs were

If other teams jump off a cliff would you like us to do the same?

 

[The CyNick]

You love your guarantees don't you? The current method we've been using for the past 5 years isn't guaranteed either, why aren't you mad about that??

Because unlike you guys, I don't think it takes 5 years to start from scratch and win.

guys like you see moves like acquiring a 21 yr old snipe show in the same vein as acquiring owen nolan. You guys think it takes 5 years to go from crap to Cup contender.

I see this team as a transition team that is trying to do the best they can now, while building up the organizational depth. In my mind that's a process that can take 10 years. Maybe more maybe less. The guys we have now are not necessarily the guys who we expect to win with down the line. We just need to continue to build and build. But as I am always quick to point out, no strategy will guarantee success. It's just the nature of having a 1 in 30 chance of being successful every year.

 

[The CyNick]

And they're available a lot more then good centers or dmen. We should get those guys when we're in contention for the cup. Simple as that.

So you think 21 yr olds who score 30 per year are really available? interesting.

 

[The CyNick]

What i think is a number of teams were interested but when they heard the price/term walked away and we were left with tards to bid up the price .

Nonis should have made a reasonable offer and if Clarkson didn't take it he should have had the good sense to walk away .

So who were the teams who walked away and at what price or term did they walk away?

 

[Durkin67]

Only kadri and reimer were drafted by the leafs and went through a classic franchise-only process to get on the big club: CHL==>AHL==>NHL

Successfull teams use the AHL as a way to get role plyaers (bottom 6 mainly)



There is no single player on our bottom 6 who went through our Marlies, we traded for all of them or signed as UFA !!


Time to give our youngsters some playing time (Holland, leivo, carrick, D'amigo) all deserve AND need to play for the big club, enough of the raymonds, clarksons of the world

Tyler Bozak played 32 games in the A. How about Gardiner? Ashton and D Amigo are on the bubble, etc. The problem is earlier incarnations of management treated youth like raw currency in their quest for immediate success. Burke restocked the shelves, and the fruits of his efforts are currently ripening.

 

[The CyNick]

You're bringing up possibly the best free agent signing ever. Care to list all the guys who didn't work out? Also, Ottawa didn't have the budget to keep both and had to choose. They chose poorly. Do you think the Leafs have budget problems?

were not talking about the Leafs giving up on guys. You said we shouldn't go after castaways. I'm pointing out a castaway that worked out very well.

Richards and Carter were said to be cancers. They seemed to work out.

You are just grasping at hindsight to say it was a bad move to acquire Clarkson. If he had scored 25 this year, you would be starting the "what a great move Clarkson was" thread.

 

[hotpaws]

Because unlike you guys, I don't think it takes 5 years to start from scratch and win.

guys like you see moves like acquiring a 21 yr old snipe show in the same vein as acquiring owen nolan. You guys think it takes 5 years to go from crap to Cup contender.

I see this team as a transition team that is trying to do the best they can now, while building up the organizational depth. In my mind that's a process that can take 10 years. Maybe more maybe less. The guys we have now are not necessarily the guys who we expect to win with down the line. We just need to continue to build and build. But as I am always quick to point out, no strategy will guarantee success. It's just the nature of having a 1 in 30 chance of being successful every year.

I never thought it could take 5 years or less , you must be confusing me with Burke .

If you actually believe it would take 10 years more or less to build a team why the **** would you support trading your most valuable assets to acquire a player that will be 32 at the end of the rebuild ?

 

[hotpaws]

So who were the teams who walked away and at what price or term did they walk away?

You're the one who said multiple teams were bidding for him so you're the one who should supply the list .

 

[The CyNick]

If other teams jump off a cliff would you like us to do the same?

no. I didn't even like the Clarkson signing. But I understood what we were trying to do. We thought we were getting a gritty guy who could pay with Kadri, would win board battles against strong teams like Boston, and score 20 goals+. It just didn't work out. happens all the time in the art of predicting what human beings will do in the future.

 

[The CyNick]

Tyler Bozak played 32 games in the A. How about Gardiner? Ashton and D Amigo are on the bubble, etc. The problem is earlier incarnations of management treated youth like raw currency in their quest for immediate success. Burke restocked the shelves, and the fruits of his efforts are currently ripening.

glad someone can see this

 

[The CyNick]

I never thought it could take 5 years or less , you must be confusing me with Burke .

If you actually believe it would take 10 years more or less to build a team why the **** would you support trading your most valuable assets to acquire a player that will be 32 at the end of the rebuild ?

Because there is this thing called trading, which is legal in the NHL.

You acquire a young piece like Kessel in hopes that everything works out and your team is competing while he is in his prime. If it doesn't work, you move him for other assets.

 

[hotpaws]

Tyler Bozak played 32 games in the A. How about Gardiner? Ashton and D Amigo are on the bubble, etc. The problem is earlier incarnations of management treated youth like raw currency in their quest for immediate success. Burke restocked the shelves, and the fruits of his efforts are currently ripening.

We have one of the lowest rated prospect pools in the league so wtf did he restock outside of the 2 top 7 picks he was gifted for being a failure ?

 

[The CyNick]

You're the one who said multiple teams were bidding for him so you're the one who should supply the list .

no you keep saying we were only in with these turd teams.

You clearly are just making stuff up.

Go back to free agent day last year and read stuff from the media guys and you will find out SOME of the teams that were in on him.

 

[The CyNick]

We have one of the lowest rated prospect pools in the league so wtf did he restock outside of the 2 top 7 picks he was gifted for being a failure ?

those reports came out and then one of our guys won the OHL scoring title, another was Q playoff MVP and led his team to a cup, another captained his team to an OHL title, all the while our AHL team is dummying the AHL playoffs.

But I guess we'll see what we end up with and how accurate those retorts were.

 

[Trapper]

Because there is this thing called trading, which is legal in the NHL.

You acquire a young piece like Kessel in hopes that everything works out and your team is competing while he is in his prime. If it doesn't work, you move him for other assets.

So what is your timeframe and criteria for everything working out and the team competing or not? 5 years? 10 years?

 

[hotpaws]

Because there is this thing called trading, which is legal in the NHL.

You acquire a young piece like Kessel in hopes that everything works out and your team is competing while he is in his prime. If it doesn't work, you move him for other assets.

You're getting caught up in your own bs .

First you said there was no way a team could be built in 5 years and it would take around 10 . Now your backtracking to justify your support of the PK deal when only a freaking Pejorative Slured GM would make that trade if they believed it would take 10 years to build a team .

If we wait another 2-3 years the chances of a GM trading for a 30 year old one way offensive winger with 40 mil left on his deal is slim to none .

If Burke actually believed it take 7-8 plus years he never would have traded for a winger who would have turned 22 by the time his played for us .

 

[hotpaws]

no you keep saying we were only in with these turd teams.

You clearly are just making stuff up.

Go back to free agent day last year and read stuff from the media guys and you will find out SOME of the teams that were in on him.

I'm making crap up ? You keep saying there was a long list of teams chasing him but you can't even name a few .

I already said i believed a number of teams were interested in him but backed out when they heard the contract he was looking for .