Post-Game Talk: Can we leave Stu in a California Closet?

[Cloned]

Did you need to look this up?

Do you think I needed to look it up?

 

[MessierThanThou]

Career playoffs:

Adin Hill: .926 (Stanley Cup champion, probably should have been awarded the Conn Smythe trophy in 2023)

Stuart Skinner: .889 (worst save percentage of any starting playoff goalie 30 or more starts in the last 30 years)

Now he's afraid to write anything because I called his English "atrocious" last time, when he did the same thing with Vasilvesky he's now doing with Hill.

 

[Cloned]

Not sure what to say. Comparing him to an elite conditioned, athletic overachiever position player largely on mediocre teams doesn't resonate as an apples to apples comparison. Oilers management shouldn't have pinned their finite Cup window on a mid-level prospect goaltender who failed upwards because the solution guy failed. Skinner's trying to overcome generics with limited flexibility; marginal athleticism which we see in his well below average skating and lateral movement; on a fasttrack development path because the big money guy failed basically immediately.

Skinner's been regressing each year in his three year sample and this year the worst. Yet Oiler management chose to say no problems we believe in Stu and stocked the shelves everywhere else on the roster (moves that aren't moving the needle). They bet all their mad money on a project prospect, the first in a bad volume 'strategy' over a decade, to breakthrough and emerge as a viable NHL back-up with potential development upside to be more concluding the Jack Campbell era. Skinner was sinking all year yet Stan told us to believe.

It’s possible to spread the blame.

The right answer is that multiple parties are at fault here. We shouldn’t be excusing anyone.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I do realize teams use sports psychologists, but it was the nature of the video that threw me a bit. By being old school, I meant I was the type of teammate, that if I was on the ice and the chants were going on and the team was getting roasted, I'd try to find a way to make it to him and give him a tap and mouth f**k 'em enough so it was clear what I was saying (for the cameras, too). But if I see him smiling...well.

Thanks for clarifying. The video was just a random one I found quickly that involved the Oilers mental coach. I'm pretty sure the team as a group worked with Mumford and that his work extended to individual players as well. Part of their team building bonding process. It might be assumed teammates would be familiar with Mumford's approaches and coaching methods for individual players. They could all possibly be aware of the tools being used with Skinner and not perceive it as a slight or insult or whatever. There were no perfect teammates either on a leaky night where a hot team with finishers embarrassed them. The majority of team interactions and relationships are beyond our access.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Cup winner - 1 game. Now compare the entire season and playoff combined.

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Not sure you understood the assignment, Gappy.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

It’s possible to spread the blame.

The right answer is that multiple parties are at fault here. We shouldn’t be excusing anyone.

Who's excusing anyone? Thought I was pretty clear that I was curious about Skinner's strange reaction and explored it a bit instead of jumping to a conclusion he didn't/doesn't care. Mentioned specifically he wasn't good enough along with the whole team. And that I put primary blame on management that painted over the evidence that Skinner has been regressing and has highly volatile play that is high risk for a team chasing a Cup.

 

[Soundwave]

It’s possible to spread the blame.

The right answer is that multiple parties are at fault here. We shouldn’t be excusing anyone.

The defense is poor without Ekholm, and Wallman is probably hurt on top of that. Bouchard is a defensive liability and Nurse is overpaid by $4-$5 million dollars.

Stuart "Cloutier" Skinner is one of the worst if not the worst playoff "starter" in the modern history of the NHL.

The rest of the "forward depth" has no chemistry and/or is hurt.

Coach has no fire or personality behind the bench and is a young coach who's showing his inexperience with some poor decision making this year.

Worst management in the NHL. Arrogant and stupid all at once.

Take yer pick. The fact that they damn near won a Cup anyway a year ago tells you that McDavid is indeed the best player since Mario Lemieux.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Vasilevsky, Hill, Hellebuyck are having bad playoffs thus far

weird, I was told goalies weren't voodoo

 

[MessierThanThou]

Vasilevsky, Hill, Hellebuyck are having bad playoffs thus far

weird, I was told goalies weren't voodoo

He's back, guys!

 

[Soundwave]

Vasilevsky, Hill, Hellebuyck are having bad playoffs thus far

weird, I was told goalies weren't voodoo

That group has 3 more Cups than McDavid and Draisaitl do, Hellebuyck is one that has to prove himself, the other two are playing with house money at this point.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If this team played with half the heart that the Blues do we wouldn’t have to worry about anything.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

That group has 3 more Cups than McDavid and Draisaitl do, Hellebuyck is one that has to prove himself, the other two are playing with house money at this point.

cool, how is that helping their teams this year?

He's back, guys!

can't answer guys!

 

[Oilhawks]

Vasilevsky, Hill, Hellebuyck are having bad playoffs thus far

weird, I was told goalies weren't voodoo

Skinner’s is worse, and has an infinitely worse body of work

Comparing him to a multiple Cup and Vezina winner, Cup winner, and multiple Vezina winner is disingenuous, even for a Skinner fan

 

[foshizzle]

Vasilevsky, Hill, Hellebuyck are having bad playoffs thus far

weird, I was told goalies weren't voodoo

They aren’t. Also having bad playoffs are several players

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Skinner’s is worse, and has an infinitely worse body of work

Comparing him to a multiple Cup and Vezina winner, Cup winner, and multiple Vezina winner is disingenuous, even for a Skinner fan

where did I mention Skinner in my post?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

They aren’t. Also having bad playoffs are several players

they aren't? what's their save percentages so far?

 

[Soundwave]

cool, how is that helping their teams this year?


can't answer guys!

Good goalies can still have poor series' here and there, it's the overall body of work that counts.

The Oilers are 0-2 in the playoffs against Hellebuyck and Hill and likely would not win a playoff round against Tampa either because Vasilevsky would make Skinner look like a clown.

Vasi is still one of the better modern NHL playoff goalies no matter what happens in that series, Skinner is the worst modern playoff goalie (that keeps getting starts).

 

[Oilhawks]

where did I mention Skinner in my post?

You know damn well what you’re intending with that statement. Come on

 

[MessierThanThou]

can't answer guys!

That group has 3 more Cups than McDavid and Draisaitl do, Hellebuyck is one that has to prove himself, the other two are playing with house money at this point.

Actually, Hellebuyck dragged the Jets to the WCF in 2018 and finished third in the playoffs in GSAx for goalies who played 5 or more games that year. Finished third again in 2021 after, unfortunately, sweeping the Oilers.

Skinner has yet to have a single good postseason. He's had one great series and now four playoff collapses over seven rounds. Oh, and he's still ranked below those three goalies in pretty much every single metric this postseason. Ouch.

Did I mention finishing 26th out of 28 goalies in GSAx in 2023? Basically losing us the Vegas series almost on his own.

He's the anti-Patrick Roy.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

If the team isn't watching STL/WPG they should.

St. Louis is playing exactly how we must tomorrow.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Actually, Hellebuyck dragged the Jets to the WCF in 2018 and finished third in the playoffs in GSAx for goalies who played 5 or more games that year. Finished third again in 2021 after, unfortunately, sweeping the Oilers.

Skinner has yet to have a single good postseason. He's had one great series and now four playoff collapses over seven rounds. Oh, and he's still ranked below those three goalies in pretty much every single metric this postseason. Ouch.

He also completely shat the bed last year against the Avs. Funny stuff.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Good goalies can still have poor series' here and there, it's the overall body of work that counts.

The Oilers are 0-2 in the playoffs against Hellebuyck and Hill and likely would not win a playoff round against Tampa either because Vasilevsky would make Skinner look like a clown.

when was the last time those goalies won series? lol

You know damn well what you’re intending with that statement. Come on

you're right...I've always maintained Skinner is good cause goalies are voodoo

this more about about the people crowing how awesome Blackwood is (who is down in his series)

 

[Soundwave]

when was the last time those goalies won series? lol

you're right...I've always maintained Skinner is good cause goalies are voodoo

this more about about the people crowing how awesome Blackwood is (who is down in his series)

Except he isn't good.

He's the worst playoff performer in net as a starter in the modern history of the NHL, and if the Oilers management don't figure out their "voodoo" issue in net, they're not going to have any window period to win anything in and McDavid will end up going elsewhere at some point.

 

[MessierThanThou]

He also completely shat the bed last year against the Avs. Funny stuff.

Yeah, he's been bad for two straight postseasons, possibly three if this keeps up. Just like Stu.

Difference between him and Stu is that he's actually had a strong playoff run before, and not just one good series after taking a two-game timeout due to being such a liability in net.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Except he isn't good.

He's the worst starter in the modern history of the NHL, and if the Oilers management don't figure out their "voodoo" issue in net, they're not going to have any window period to win anything in.

ok sure

this isn't about Skinner, its about how unpredictable goalies in general are