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Too often in the McDavid era the team doesn’t start to work hard until they are woefully out of the game. That’s what I saw in game 1. They did the same thing with Dallas about a month ago where they only started playing when they were down late in the third. When you’re given an assignment with a deadline, waiting until the last minute to complete it is always a bad idea. This series is showing front and center all the bad habits this team has acquired.
 
MessierThanThou said:
Where is this proof of anyone saying Skinner is solely to blame here? Now… Is he one of the biggest problems though? Absolutely. Just like at this time last year and this time the year before that. And he even had Ekholm there to protect him.
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It's like a drug addict saying "all the crystal meth I do isn't the only problem y'know! Stop bringing up the damn crystal meth! I'm tired of hearing about it!" ... well yeah, ok, but having a crystal meth problem basically disqualifies you from having any kind of functional life.

You might want to put that at the top of the "shit I need to fix" list, lol.
 
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guymez said:
Not one post has made that claim.

Skinner hasnt been good enough IMO. I have never said anything different.
I am just not entertaining the hyperbole on here that suggests the problems begin and end with Skinner.

If the regular season and the first 2 games of the playoffs mean anything then this team just isnt good enough...even with a better goalie. The offence sans McDavid has been impotent.

This defence especially without Ekholm isnt good enough.
Just isolate on Nurse and Bouchard in game 2.

What am I missing?
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I don’t think anyone is solely blaming Skinner. He is the biggest issue with the team because he really isn’t much better than this. The defence is. The forwards are. This is a team that was able to have a disgustingly good record if the goalie could manage a 0.900.

Hell even with how bad the defence has been the last 2 games, an average goalie in net we would be 1-1 right now cause we could have won game 1
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
I hate the dancing and head bobs. Seems contrived and phoney. Can't watch Skinners interviews either. Just seems like a duck on water looking cool and chilled while paddling frantically below the surface. However he's only in this situation because the big money Plan A couldn't hack the pressure of driving Edmonton's late arriving winning window. Management then ignored this critical position need to blow their money everywhere else while repeatedly spinning their belief in Skinner.

I wanted to try to understand the player's strange reaction. It was a raw, vulnerable moment where I think we saw the fragile 'confidence' mask slip to see the hard paddle being done to try to deliver competent puck stopping on a very leaky team with everyone's expectation of winning a Cup.
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This is why I’m not hard on Skinner. The failure of the Campbell signing is exactly why this is going the way it is. That’s the bozo who scouted Campbell is still employed with the team is all you need to know.
 
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MessierThanThou said:
Where is this proof of anyone saying Skinner is solely to blame here? Now… Is he one of the biggest problems though? Absolutely. Just like he was at this time last year and this time the year before that. And he even had Ekholm there to protect him.
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I have addressed this already.
Go read the PGT.

That aisde when it comes to the goaltending my outrage (if I have any) is directed at management.
Is that wrong too?
 
Soundwave said:
It's like a drug addict saying "all the crystal meth I do isn't the only problem y'know! Stop bringing up the damn crystal meth!" ... well yeah, ok, but having a crystal meth problem basically disqualifies you from having any kind of functional life.

You might want to put that at the top of the "shit I need to fix" list, lol.
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Meth isn’t the reason for this knife would, sketchy dude who was selling me meth stabbed me! It’s his fault, has nothing to do with the meth!
 
I get coping mechanisms. I use laughter as mine too. But you have to read the room.

I work in a small bar now, but when I was in a large kitchen, I had to pick my moments. I couldn't start smirking and laughing in the middle of a whiteout dinner service, no one wants to see that shit and you end up getting a pan thrown at you. You can do that shit later.

I definitely think the boys saw that and told Knob to get him off the ice. Dude can laugh and have a moment when he isn't surrounded by 5 guys who are fuming.
 
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CycloneSweep said:
I don’t think anyone is solely blaming Skinner. He is the biggest issue with the team because he really isn’t much better than this. The defence is. The forwards are. This is a team that was able to have a disgustingly good record if the goalie could manage a 0.900.

Hell even with how bad the defence has been the last 2 games, an average goalie in net we would be 1-1 right now cause we could have won game 1
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I’m watching the Blues put the boots to the Jets right now and the Oilers effort doesn’t even come close to matching theirs. They’ve been downright disgraceful. They’re the worst playoff team right now. The team was god tier last year. This year they’re a dogs breakfast.
 
CycloneSweep said:
I don’t think anyone is solely blaming Skinner. He is the biggest issue with the team because he really isn’t much better than this. The defence is. The forwards are. This is a team that was able to have a disgustingly good record if the goalie could manage a 0.900.

Hell even with how bad the defence has been the last 2 games, an average goalie in net we would be 1-1 right now cause we could have won game 1
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Really?
Go read the PGT...its ridiculous.

Its page after page of emotional outrage about Skinner. Hardly a mention of anything else.
Even posters claiming that Skinner is responsible for the lack of offense by suggesting a different goalie would help that.
Abject nonsense.

Are you calling out that nonsense too?
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
I’m watching the Blues put the boots to the Jets right now and the Oilers effort doesn’t even come close to matching theirs. They’ve been downright disgraceful. They’re the worst playoff team right now. The team was god tier last year. This year they’re a dogs breakfast.
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Oh for sure, but ultimately it’s a consistent issue we refuse to address
guymez said:
Really?
Go read the PGT...its ridiculous.

Its page after page of emotional outrage about Skinner. Hardly a mention of anything else.
Even posters claiming that Skinner is responsible for the lack of offense by suggesting a different goalie would help that.
Abject nonsense.

Are you calling out that nonsense too?
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are you talking about right after the game?
Cause you can’t take f*** all what people say in the heat of the moment, that late at night with beer in their bellies seriously.
Look at the majority of the posts the day after and you get people’s true feelings.

And ultimately there have been far worse defences in the playoffs in the past 30 years, Skinners the worst goalie in the last 30
 
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KeithIsActuallyBad said:
This is why I’m not hard on Skinner. The failure of the Campbell signing is exactly why this is going the way it is. That’s the bozo who scouted Campbell is still employed with the team is all you need to know.
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It's fair to criticize Skinner. His third year numbers have regressed each year. He is far too inconsistent especially with his floor. This year his Really Bad Start measure is the worst of regressing three years. But this is just bad management of a so called Information informed decision making organization to run with high risk development phase goaltender and a career journeyman AHL/NHL tweener to try to get back to the Cup.
 
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MessierThanThou said:
Hold up: is anyone not angry at management for this? It’s not like anyone expects Skinner to say no to living out his childhood dream…
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Management is rarely under fire around here. We even have people saying that Holland wasn’t that bad. Throughout the season some fans were saying we needed to give Bowman a chance. The media won’t dare turn their scrutiny towards the clown show up top. Skinner and Knoblauch make for convenient scapegoats like Campbell.
 
CycloneSweep said:
Oh for sure, but ultimately it’s a consistent issue we refuse to address

are you talking about right after the game?
Cause you can’t take f*** all what people say in the heat of the moment, that late at night with beer in their bellies seriously.
Look at the majority of the posts the day after and you get people’s true feelings.

And ultimately there have been far worse defences in the playoffs in the past 30 years, Skinners the worst goalie in the last 30
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I stopped reading the PGT after the 3rd page. Embarrassing.

I do agree that this board goes way off the deep end after a loss.

Regarding the defence..Nurse is inconsistent...he cant be relied upon. WTF was he doing up along the boards near the blueline on the 2nd Kings goal? No excuse for that in a tight 1-0 game. then Bochard just watches Byfeild skate in on net and roof the puck. A puck that very few goalies would stop.
Many posters on here still blame Skinner for that....lol

Anyway...Bouchard is garbage....he is a liability. When he isnt coughing up a puck in his own zone because he seems to have no sense of urgency...he just stands around watching the other team score all too often.
So many examples of that and not just in this series.

Walman is inconsistent as well....sometimes good...sometimes not so good.

Kulak is a very good #5 dman. Usually a very consistent player. A player a coach can rely on.
So thats one reliable player on D.

Emberson is a whole lot of meh.
Doesnt do anything particularily well.
Klingberg was the best defender in the game last night.
Without Ekholm this is not even a playoff caliber defence IMO. His loss exposes the rest of this defence.

Now lets look at the offence...aside from McDavids superhero act....what the f*ck has the offence done?
Exactly nothing.
How many difficult saves did Kuemper make in last nights game...how about none.

The PK was a fail...so was the PP.
Discipline was a fail. Gamesmanship was a fail.

This is why most of my energy is being spent talking about the other 10 things that were bad in spite of the goaltending.
 
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Behind Enemy Lines said:
I hate the dancing and head bobs. Seems contrived and phoney. Can't watch Skinners interviews either. Just seems like a duck on water looking cool and chilled while paddling frantically below the surface. However he's only in this situation because the big money Plan A couldn't hack the pressure of driving Edmonton's late arriving winning window. Management then ignored this critical position need to blow their money everywhere else while repeatedly spinning their belief in Skinner.

I wanted to try to understand the player's strange reaction. It was a raw, vulnerable moment where I think we saw the fragile 'confidence' mask slip to see the hard paddle being done to try to deliver competent puck stopping on a very leaky team with everyone's expectation of winning a Cup.
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KeithIsActuallyBad said:
This is why I’m not hard on Skinner. The failure of the Campbell signing is exactly why this is going the way it is. That’s the bozo who scouted Campbell is still employed with the team is all you need to know.
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Re: these two posts

I think most fans would be a lot more forgiving of Skinner if he actually seemed like he cares about being the best goalie he can be.

You know who else was miscast way above his talent level here? Shawn Horcoff. Team didn’t have the resources to get a true 1C so he had to play it by default. What did he do? He worked hard at his game and actually improved his game from a checking center to a pretty good top 6 two way forward. He squeezed every last drop of talent out of his body before he got older, lost that little bit of speed and durability, and couldn’t do it anymore.

Horcoff actually invested himself into his NHL career instead of going “oh well I’m not supposed to be a first line center anyway so why bother trying to be one.”

What does Skinner do? He can’t even maintain a good playing weight to keep his agility and speed up.

Take your damn craft seriously and at least give yourself the best chance to be the best goalie you can be.
 
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guymez said:
Regarding the defence..Nurse is inconsistent...he cant be relied upon. WTF was he doing up along the boards near the blueline on the 2nd Kings goal? No excuse for that in a tight 1-0 game. then Bochard just watches Byfeild skate in on net and roof the puck. A puck that very few goalies would stop.
Many posters on here still blame Skinner for that....lol

Anyway...Bouchard is garbage....he is a liability. When he isnt coughing up a puck in his own zone because he seems to have no sense of urgency...he just stands around watching the other team score all too often.
So many examples of that and not just in this series.
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did the McDrai get as good of a chance last night as this?

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answer: no

what about this?
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also no

that scary part is this happens more than once a game
 
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