Blue Jays Discussion: Can We Clinch the AL Today? (avatars: posts 2-5)

[bullocks]

But the Twins will play KC tough right guys?

Can barely get hits

 

[The Nemesis]

But also doesn't strike out. Its not like he doesnt walk and is racking up JP Arencibia numbers in ks. I think that counts for something.

People bag on Kevin Pillar hard for not walking and Revere is almost worse than him. Not in raw BB rate, but Revere is the worst guy on the team in terms of how much of his OBP is made up of batting average. He's also the worst guy on the team in terms of racking up extra bases (both as a % of total hits and a % of total PAs), which is kind of depressing for a guy who makes as much contact as him and has his speed.

Revere is also a base stealing threat, which also counts for something.

He really isn't though. Granted the Jays don't steal much as a team, because why would you risk an out when this offence can probably cash you in just fine without the extra 90 feet, but for as often as he reaches base, and as often as he only gets as far as 1st when he reaches (working under the assumption that 2nd base is both the easiest base to steal, relatively speaking, and the base that generates the most steal attempts on it), he attempts to steal far less often than any of the other guys on the team who could be considered threats to do so.


Look, Revere has been good for the team so far. And he has a skill that he does really really well (making contact). But as has been said there's more to being a hitter than just making contact and getting singles. You want a guy to be able to take an extra base with some degree of regularity. You want a guy who can take a walk (demonstrating good zone awareness and providing some protection against slumps or strings of bad luck on balls in play), you want a guy that is more than one-dimensional. He's average at best overall as a hitter when you factor in all the components of what comprises "hitting" (which ironically includes a few things that don't involve actually hitting the ball with the bat). He has speed that he doesn't use on the basepaths as much as you would expect for someone who has that weapon in his arsenal. His defence is average-to-below-average. He has one of the worst arms in the major leagues. He is quite possibly the most one-dimensional player on this team in terms of what he brings to the table. And $7m is a lot of money to pay a one-dimensional guy when you can probably put that money to better use elsewhere on the roster, especially given that in spite of what people think about Rogers' money vault and the capless world of baseball economics, there will be a budget for the Blue Jays to adhere to.

And for the record, nobody "hates" Ben Revere. What he does well he does really well. But he is sort of like the bizarro mirror twin of a guy like Rasmus or Arencibia: his stat line looks good if you view it in a very specific, narrow way keyed to that narrow niche he fills. And kinda mediocre or bad if you look in any other way. Were he to come back at less than the $6.6-$7m projected price tag he could be a useful piece. But there are going to be some other more pressing holes to fill on this roster come winter, and a $7m slap-hitting, all-singles, no-walks, noodle-armed LF is probably not a wise investment in that light.

 

[Trouba95*]

Twins are so mediocre. Not sure how they've held on this long.

 

[AustonMcDavid]

ANOTHER run, 5-1

 

[bullocks]

Game over lol

Hopefully Angels win and the twins can **** off

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

And the same lineup he shut down 3 times prior

Not really...no Tulo or Revere in any of those first 3 games.

Obviously no Tulo in the game last week either, though.

 

[bullocks]

Wish I could quote everyone who said we had an advantage over KC after Gibby gave 2 games to them cuz minni will play them tough LMAO too funny.

 

[91Kadri91*]

Revere is also a base stealing threat, which also counts for something.

No one's claiming he's not an elite baserunner; Revere is elite in that area. He's not an above-average hitter, though.

 

[Trouba95*]

We'll probably be playing the Rangers unless we figure out Archer again tonight. Good test.

 

[AustonMcDavid]

time for the twinkies to put up a 10 spot

 

[canucksfan]

The Angles/Rangers game is very good

 

[Ash35]

Well we handed KC back a 2 game lead as a present with a big bow on it. So if we don't win the AL we have no one to blame but ourselves.

 

[bullocks]

We'll probably be playing the Rangers unless we figure out Archer again tonight. Good test.

A test u don't want in the 1st round but oh well. Could still be Houston by a slim chance.

 

[tp71]

People bag on Kevin Pillar hard for not walking and Revere is almost worse than him. Not in raw BB rate, but Revere is the worst guy on the team in terms of how much of his OBP is made up of batting average. He's also the worst guy on the team in terms of racking up extra bases (both as a % of total hits and a % of total PAs), which is kind of depressing for a guy who makes as much contact as him and has his speed.

What I meant by that Nem is that he doesnt walk yes, but he doesnt strike out as well. He's not a guy piling up 150 strike outs.

He has 62ks all season and 32 bbs to go with his 31 sbs.

 

[Trouba95*]

A test u don't want in the 1st round but oh well. Could still be Houston by a slim chance.

No one ever said it would be easy...

 

[Loosie]

I'm shocked the Twins aren't putting more of an effort when they are still in contention and playing at home.

 

[TF97]

People bag on Kevin Pillar hard for not walking and Revere is almost worse than him. Not in raw BB rate, but Revere is the worst guy on the team in terms of how much of his OBP is made up of batting average. He's also the worst guy on the team in terms of racking up extra bases (both as a % of total hits and a % of total PAs), which is kind of depressing for a guy who makes as much contact as him and has his speed.



He really isn't though. Granted the Jays don't steal much as a team, because why would you risk an out when this offence can probably cash you in just fine without the extra 90 feet, but for as often as he reaches base, and as often as he only gets as far as 1st when he reaches (working under the assumption that 2nd base is both the easiest base to steal, relatively speaking, and the base that generates the most steal attempts on it), he attempts to steal far less often than any of the other guys on the team who could be considered threats to do so.


Look, Revere has been good for the team so far. And he has a skill that he does really really well (making contact). But as has been said there's more to being a hitter than just making contact and getting singles. You want a guy to be able to take an extra base with some degree of regularity. You want a guy who can take a walk (demonstrating good zone awareness and providing some protection against slumps or strings of bad luck on balls in play), you want a guy that is more than one-dimensional. He's average at best overall as a hitter when you factor in all the components of what comprises "hitting" (which ironically includes a few things that don't involve actually hitting the ball with the bat). He has speed that he doesn't use on the basepaths as much as you would expect for someone who has that weapon in his arsenal. His defence is average-to-below-average. He has one of the worst arms in the major leagues. He is quite possibly the most one-dimensional player on this team in terms of what he brings to the table. And $7m is a lot of money to pay a one-dimensional guy when you can probably put that money to better use elsewhere on the roster, especially given that in spite of what people think about Rogers' money vault and the capless world of baseball economics, there will be a budget for the Blue Jays to adhere to.

And for the record, nobody "hates" Ben Revere. What he does well he does really well. But he is sort of like the bizarro mirror twin of a guy like Rasmus or Arencibia: his stat line looks good if you view it in a very specific, narrow way keyed to that narrow niche he fills. And kinda mediocre or bad if you look in any other way. Were he to come back at less than the $6.6-$7m projected price tag he could be a useful piece. But there are going to be some other more pressing holes to fill on this roster come winter, and a $7m slap-hitting, all-singles, no-walks, noodle-armed LF is probably not a wise investment in that light.

This. Great post, Nem.

 

[canucksfan]

I'm shocked the Twins aren't putting more of an effort when they are still in contention and playing at home.

They seem to choke in big games and they also seem to suck against good teams.

 

[p.l.f.]

If yankees lose their last 2 and astros win their last 2 they both end up 87-75
Astros beat yankees 4 games to 3 wildcard game would be in houston

 

[bullocks]

I'm shocked the Twins aren't putting more of an effort when they are still in contention and playing at home.

Well they're average in reality so not surprising.

Hope Angels hang on and Houston wins tonight so Hamels will pitch tomorrow

 

[Loosie]

Wish I could quote everyone who said we had an advantage over KC after Gibby gave 2 games to them cuz minni will play them tough LMAO too funny.

Don't worry if the Jays don't win the AL I'm sure you'll keep reminding us that it was because we rested our regulars for a day.

 

[91Kadri91*]

Yes and you keep conveniently leaving that part out. Criticize all you want, but tell the whole story then. Don't leave out the parts that don't help your case.

It doesn't hurt their case.

Striking out less is great, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a below average (aggregate) hitter. He's great at making contact, but the contact he makes isn't great.

 

[bullocks]

Don't worry if the Jays don't win the AL I'm sure you'll keep reminding us that it was because we rested our regulars for a day.

I will for sure as will others I assume. "A day" would have been fine but 2 games was ********.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Don't worry if the Jays don't win the AL I'm sure you'll keep reminding us that it was because we rested our regulars for a day.

That's why the good Lord made the block function.

 

[canucksfan]

I will for sure as will others I assume. "A day" would have been fine but 2 games was ********.

After they clinched giving that game off made sense. The following game was bad conditions due to rain. It was best not to play the regulars to risk injury.