Speculation: Can Vegas Help Themselves?

[Petes2424]

Most fans around the league would love for their team to be as aggressive as the Kinjghts have been since joining the league. From day 1 they’re always looking for that shiny new toy and god knows they’ve mortgaged much of their future away.

Unfortunately with the good, comes the bad. The overkill trade acquiring Lehner when they didn’t need to… The Tatar Trade and a couple others. For every one they’ve hit on, they’ve sometimes missed big too.

We all know they won’t tear it down but we also know they will make 3-5 significant moves this summer.

With their history of not being able to control themselves, things could go from bad to worse, or they can make some sound moves. Think it’s apparent they’re open for deals and we can already connect the dots on Dadonov possibly moving, but what and who else?

Could it be an opportunity for the Leafs to finally help fix their blue-line long-term??

A Nylander for Theodore trade?

Would Vegas do this, and then turn around and grab another D that’s rumored to be available?

Hronek for Brisson maybe? Maybe in a deal like this, they can get Detroit to take Karlsson too.. Then use UFA to grab a Trocheck or even a Kadri, or a couple of smart moves like Mason Marchment and another depth piece.

The Knights are going to make a few substantial trades to shake it up, on top of probably letting Smith and Janmark walk.

Teams need to keep an eye. If they’re willing to move Theodore, the Leafs should be all over it, as others should be. Detroit could send Bertuzzi in a desk for Theodore, then sign Smith in UFA to replace Bertuzzi. Same logic with Leafs, and some other teams.

The Knights are going to be creative. Yes, they miss sometimes but it would be nice if some other teams (Leafs) start doing some of the same.

One thing’s for sure. The Knights will look different come October.

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[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Most fans around the league would love for their team to be as aggressive as the Kinjghts have been since joining the league. From day 1 they’re always looking for that shiny new toy and god knows they’ve mortgaged much of their future away.

Unfortunately with the good, comes the bad. The overkill trade acquiring Lehner when they didn’t need to… The Tatar Trade and a couple others. For every one they’ve hit on, they’ve sometimes missed big too.

We all know they won’t tear it down but we also know they will make 3-5 significant moves this summer.

With their history of not being able to control themselves, things could go from bad to worse, or they can make some sound moves. Think it’s apparent they’re open for deals and we can already connect the dots on Dadonov possibly moving, but what and who else?

Could it be an opportunity for the Leafs to finally help fix their blue-line long-term??

A Nylander for Theodore trade?

Would Vegas do this, and then turn around and grab another D that’s rumored to be available?

Hronek for Brisson maybe? Maybe in a deal like this, they can get Detroit to take Karlsson too.. Then use UFA to grab a Trocheck or even a Kadri, or a couple of smart moves like Mason Marchment and another depth piece.

The Knights are going to make a few substantial trades to shake it up, on top of probably letting Smith and Janmark walk.

Teams need to keep an eye. If they’re willing to move Theodore, the Leafs should be all over it, as others should be. Detroit could send Bertuzzi in a desk for Theodore, then sign Smith in UFA to replace Bertuzzi. Same logic with Leafs, and some other teams.

The Knights are going to be creative. Yes, they miss sometimes but it would be nice if some other teams (Leafs) start doing some of the same.

One thing’s for sure. The Knights will look different come October.

Id there is a deal with the Leafs I think it's for Lehner because regardless of what happens with Campbell they need a goalie, they can't bring back Marazek.

and that could go bad fast.

Lehner is a good goalie and if you put him on this team, they are probably 1st in the division, not 2nd because goaltending has cost them 15-20 points.

But Lehner also has mental issues and we know that so I have always wondered what a goalie with mental issues + Leaf fans+Leafs Media = and that could equal = very VERY bad things, but it also could equal very very good things because if he did play well he would be treated like a god.

If he ever struggled though that could get dark.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

A Nylander for Theodore trade?

Doubt they do that. It's rare to see a top pairing d-man getting traded for a winger, especially considering he makes less and is signed for longer.

 

[Chainshot]

Vegas should be looking at who they have on what we could deem "value contracts" right now and setting them aside as players to not trade. Theodore is one of those, as are Whitecloud and Stephenson and now Thompson as well.

Everyone else should be fair game and they may want to look at shifting out a pricey vet from their collection of shiny toys to get some draft pick capital back so they can start getting prospects to feed into the roster on ELC's from below OR move in other deals to try to acquire players on value deals from elsewhere.

They also need to be a bit more mindful of how mercenary they have been with the guys who have committed to them rather than chucking people for the next shiny bauble. Theodore is definitely someone who signed to stay there. When agents are talking about steering their clients away from Vegas due to the way in which they casually thrown people off, that's a problem. It's going to take some work to un-f*** that situation.

 

[seafoam]

Any chance Pacioretty is dangled?

 

[apocalypse]

Most fans around the league would love for their team to be as aggressive as the Kinjghts have been since joining the league. From day 1 they’re always looking for that shiny new toy and god knows they’ve mortgaged much of their future away.

Unfortunately with the good, comes the bad. The overkill trade acquiring Lehner when they didn’t need to… The Tatar Trade and a couple others. For every one they’ve hit on, they’ve sometimes missed big too.

We all know they won’t tear it down but we also know they will make 3-5 significant moves this summer.

With their history of not being able to control themselves, things could go from bad to worse, or they can make some sound moves. Think it’s apparent they’re open for deals and we can already connect the dots on Dadonov possibly moving, but what and who else?

Could it be an opportunity for the Leafs to finally help fix their blue-line long-term??

A Nylander for Theodore trade?

Would Vegas do this, and then turn around and grab another D that’s rumored to be available?

Hronek for Brisson maybe? Maybe in a deal like this, they can get Detroit to take Karlsson too.. Then use UFA to grab a Trocheck or even a Kadri, or a couple of smart moves like Mason Marchment and another depth piece.

The Knights are going to make a few substantial trades to shake it up, on top of probably letting Smith and Janmark walk.

Teams need to keep an eye. If they’re willing to move Theodore, the Leafs should be all over it, as others should be. Detroit could send Bertuzzi in a desk for Theodore, then sign Smith in UFA to replace Bertuzzi. Same logic with Leafs, and some other teams.

The Knights are going to be creative. Yes, they miss sometimes but it would be nice if some other teams (Leafs) start doing some of the same.

One thing’s for sure. The Knights will look different come October.

Will they still be in cap hell when next season starts?

 

[AHLdepth]

Vegas has played their cards like I do when I know I'm only going to sim for like three years. Problem is Vegas can't just get tired of it, turn it off and reset

 

[Jumptheshark]

Will they still be in cap hell when next season starts?

WIth 18 players signed I think they are 1 mill over the new cap

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Dandonov is a 20 goal scorer who will be dealt--finding a team to take him wont be hard(as long as they are not on his No trade list) the question is--will they be forced to give him away to spend money elsewhere? While his teammates may still like him--something tells me ownership maybe a little vindictive in the off season

 

[flashsabre]

Vegas is run by the owner Foley. He wants to be aggressive every year and be competing for the Cup. He gives the marching orders to the front office. I’m sure there will be a shakeup. DeBoer deserves to be canned.

They might be at a point now though that they can’t make the big splash anymore. A lack of cap space and assets will really hold them back from making big changes. I think they will have to hope the players get healthy and run it back with a new coach.

 

[Kaen]

WIth 18 players signed I think they are 1 mill over the new cap

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Dandonov is a 20 goal scorer who will be dealt--finding a team to take him wont be hard(as long as they are not on his No trade list) the question is--will they be forced to give him away to spend money elsewhere? While his teammates may still like him--something tells me ownership maybe a little vindictive in the off season

Dadonov was traded with a pick for a cap dump and a IR cap dump. I can't see his value being higher in the offseason.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Dadonov was traded with a pick for a cap dump and a IR cap dump. I can't see his value being higher in the offseason.

The trade happened cause Vegas knew they were in trouble and needed to bring a player off of LTIR.

Vegas will be looking to give him away and I can see a few team having use for him

 

[LMFAO]

I guess the Dadonov trade to Anaheim happens.
They don’t resign Reilly Smith
They trade Martinez (easier said then done I know)

Pacioretty - Eichel - Stone
Brisson - Stephenson - Marchessault
Roy - Karlsson - Patrick
Carrier - Amadio - Kolesar

Hague - Pietriangelo
McNabb - Theodore
Coghlan - Whitecloud

Not easy but doable

 

[BCNate]

I think they are going to have a real hard time bringing back a roster that is improved from this year.

They were scary a few years back when they were fast and deep. Now they are top heavy with many holes and in a tough spot cap wise. It is going to be a really interesting offseason for them.

 

[seabass45]

I guess the Dadonov trade to Anaheim happens.
They don’t resign Reilly Smith
They trade Martinez (easier said then done I know)

Pacioretty - Eichel - Stone
Brisson - Stephenson - Marchessault
Roy - Karlsson - Patrick
Carrier - Amadio - Kolesar

Hague - Pietriangelo
McNabb - Theodore
Coghlan - Whitecloud

Not easy but doable

What’s the issue with Martinez? Isles would likely be in on him.

 

[hangman005]

Any chance Pacioretty is dangled?

He absolutely should be, but will anyone bite?

 

[seafoam]

He absolutely should be, but will anyone bite?

I think NYI would be interested, they don't necessarily have a need at LW but they need scoring and can see GMLL interested.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Vegas' cap issues are exaggerated.

Buying out Dadonov+dumping Broissoit+cap going up 1 mil gives them about 6 mil to re-sign Roy,Kolesar, and fill in the rest with ELCs.

The unfortunate thing for them is that they'll probably have to trade Hague.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He absolutely should be, but will anyone bite?

I feel like Anaheim would bite on patches

 

[Sweetpotato]

Vegas' cap issues are exaggerated.

Buying out Dadonov+dumping Broissoit+cap going up 1 mil gives them about 6 mil to re-sign Roy,Kolesar, and fill in the rest with ELCs.

The unfortunate thing for them is that they'll probably have to trade Hague.

They absolutely will not need to buyout Dadonov. There will be takers in the off season.

 

[The Duck Knight]

What’s the issue with Martinez? Isles would likely be in on him.

Just age and injuries. I don't think he'll be moved though. We don't have anyone that can replace him. As long as they are confident he's not going to have recurring side effects from his injury this year I think he'll be back.

Dadonov and Brossoit are locks to be cap dumps. Then it will depend if they sign Smith. If they don't sign Smith they don't need any other high cap dumps.

Lehner and Pacioretty would seem to be the next most likely if needed.

 

[MNRube]

I’d rather have an identity problem than a talent problem. They still more talent than most teams. Smart money says they are back next year. Lot of proud guys in that room like Stone & Pietrangelo who won’t like the whimper they went out with.

 

[Chainshot]

Vegas' cap issues are exaggerated.

Buying out Dadonov+dumping Broissoit+cap going up 1 mil gives them about 6 mil to re-sign Roy,Kolesar, and fill in the rest with ELCs.

The unfortunate thing for them is that they'll probably have to trade Hague.

There is no need to buy out Dadonov. There will be teams interested. The guy went back after the trade debacle and was one of Vegas most productive players despite them trying to get rid of him at the deadline. It says something about his character IMO.

They will find a team that wants him and that isn't on his NTC. They might not get a ton, but they won't have to buy him out.

 

[Petes2424]

Doubt they do that. It's rare to see a top pairing d-man getting traded for a winger, especially considering he makes less and is signed for longer.

I’d agree under normal circumstances but it’s the Knights we’re talking about. They’ll look up and down the roster and won’t move guys they’ve acquired. Their history tell us they’ll make a couple significant moves. He’s one of their guys who fits in that scenario.

I’m a build your D and the rest will be much easier to deal with. It’s why I’m so high on Detroit’s future with all those young dmen they’ve drafted. Occasionally though, top pairing guys become available, and they are so into the Eichel piece, they may very well pop if someone comes along and offers a Nylander to play with him.

We shall see but I wouldn’t rule anything out with Vegas. I think they may try to move Lehner too. They’ve put him in an almost no win situation with their fanbase and he’s not exactly the most stable of goaltenders to begin with.

If I were a Knights fan, I’d be a little concerned on what they may do. I wouldn’t put it past them to go get Billington. They’re the most unpredictable of teams. What we know though, is they will be active.

 

[Petes2424]

Id there is a deal with the Leafs I think it's for Lehner because regardless of what happens with Campbell they need a goalie, they can't bring back Marazek.

and that could go bad fast.

Lehner is a good goalie and if you put him on this team, they are probably 1st in the division, not 2nd because goaltending has cost them 15-20 points.

But Lehner also has mental issues and we know that so I have always wondered what a goalie with mental issues + Leaf fans+Leafs Media = and that could equal = very VERY bad things, but it also could equal very very good things because if he did play well he would be treated like a god.

If he ever struggled though that could get dark.

I could see that happening too, although I’m not exactly confident Lehner wouldn’t completely lose it playing in TO.

 

[Petes2424]

I think they are going to have a real hard time bringing back a roster that is improved from this year.

They were scary a few years back when they were fast and deep. Now they are top heavy with many holes and in a tough spot cap wise. It is going to be a really interesting offseason for them.

Exactly why we should assume they might be over aggressive. You don’t normally trade a guy like Theodore in his prime but Foley seems to lack any patience, and Theodore would bring the type of winger they could pencil in for the rest of their window.

They need some speed and aggressiveness on the wing. I could see them move him for 2-3 different type guys. Nylander, Bertuzzi, Ehlers. Teams that would obviously have a top quality wing in his prime they’d move for a Dman.

I’m in no way advocating they do this. I’m a firm believer in never selling top dmen unless you’re forced to. I just see them doing it to really shake things up and he’s the one guy who’d bring them a top end winger. The loss of Tuch really hurt them more than people talk about. They’re going to want to replace a lot of what he brought to the table.