Speculation: Can Vegas Help Themselves?

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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I could see that happening too, although I’m not exactly confident Lehner wouldn’t completely lose it playing in TO.
I don't disagree, I think it could go very very bad because this fanbase has no patience for bad goaltending but at the same time if he's good they will worship him.
 
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Petes2424

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I don't disagree, I think it could go very very bad because this fanbase has no patience for bad goaltending but at the same time if he's good they will worship him.
I spend a lot of the winter in the desert these days, so I follow them closer than most. It’s insane how many are still angry about the Fleury thing. To the point of not normal. 😂

I remember back in 97’ when I worked Ontario, Michigan and NY, living in London. Obviously I seen a lot of Detroit. When the Wings won the Cup in 97’ and promptly traded Vernon, there were occasional calls to radio shows ripping them for just trading their first Cup winning goalie in over 40 years, but nothing even remotely close to what is still going on in Vegas after Fleury was moved.

I actually feel sorry for Lehner. Poor guy has half his own fanbase against him. It’s as if they hope he fails so they can go on Facebook and complain. Almost like they think Fleury will miraculously return.

So yea, you’re 100% right. I don’t think they’ll ever support Lehner.
 
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ElPrimeTime

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I’d agree under normal circumstances but it’s the Knights we’re talking about. They’ll look up and down the roster and won’t move guys they’ve acquired. Their history tell us they’ll make a couple significant moves. He’s one of their guys who fits in that scenario.

I’m a build your D and the rest will be much easier to deal with. It’s why I’m so high on Detroit’s future with all those young dmen they’ve drafted. Occasionally though, top pairing guys become available, and they are so into the Eichel piece, they may very well pop if someone comes along and offers a Nylander to play with him.

We shall see but I wouldn’t rule anything out with Vegas. I think they may try to move Lehner too. They’ve put him in an almost no win situation with their fanbase and he’s not exactly the most stable of goaltenders to begin with.

If I were a Knights fan, I’d be a little concerned on what they may do. I wouldn’t put it past them to go get Billington. They’re the most unpredictable of teams. What we know though, is they will be active.

That move doesn't help them with their cap situation at all though, makes it worse. Unless they have other moves to drop salary (Dadonov/Patches/Lehner), they can't afford to make this trade. Maybe it ends up being some weird 3/4 team trade.

Vegas gets Chychrun, plus something minor
Leafs get Theodore
Team 3 gets Nylander
Yotes get picks, prospects and young players from Team 3

I still can't see Vegas trading Theodore for a more expensive, winger.
 
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IMO Vegas got greedy after their first season, if they would've just stayed the course with all their draft picks and young talent instead of trading them all away for the now, they would have been in a much better and financial situation.
 

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I’d agree under normal circumstances but it’s the Knights we’re talking about. They’ll look up and down the roster and won’t move guys they’ve acquired. Their history tell us they’ll make a couple significant moves. He’s one of their guys who fits in that scenario.

I’m a build your D and the rest will be much easier to deal with. It’s why I’m so high on Detroit’s future with all those young dmen they’ve drafted. Occasionally though, top pairing guys become available, and they are so into the Eichel piece, they may very well pop if someone comes along and offers a Nylander to play with him.

We shall see but I wouldn’t rule anything out with Vegas. I think they may try to move Lehner too. They’ve put him in an almost no win situation with their fanbase and he’s not exactly the most stable of goaltenders to begin with.

If I were a Knights fan, I’d be a little concerned on what they may do. I wouldn’t put it past them to go get Billington. They’re the most unpredictable of teams. What we know though, is they will be active.

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I would suspect Craig Billington at age 55 has been out of the game a little too long, but if that’s who the knights decide to pursue then go for it. Good luck with that :laugh:
 
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Getting rid of Brossoit and Dadonov will be a starting point. But Dadonov might need to be traded to Seattle along with a 1st if he wants to not get highly taxed.

Smith will be extended. But they also have to extend Kolesar, Hague and Roy. Or trade them and put prospects in their place.
 

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Vegas is loaded with useful but relatively old players on huge long-term deals. Anyone could see the crunch coming. I think people watched Vegas do one unlikely/unprecedented thing, namely contending for a cup immediately as an expansion team, then vaguely half-believed they'd keep doing unprecedented things, such as avoiding cap crunches with tons of aging veterans on the roster.
 

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Lehner is a good goalie and if you put him on this team, they are probably 1st in the division, not 2nd because goaltending has cost them 15-20 points.

This is the most stereotypical Leafs fan claim of all time.

No, goaltending wasn't the difference between where the Leafs are now, and literally being the best regular season team by record in NHL history, lmfao.

An extra 15-20 points puts you between 130-135. The most ever were 131 by the 95-96 Red Wings, followed by 128 by the Lightning a few years ago lol.
 

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Vegas' cap issues are exaggerated.

Buying out Dadonov+dumping Broissoit+cap going up 1 mil gives them about 6 mil to re-sign Roy,Kolesar, and fill in the rest with ELCs.

The unfortunate thing for them is that they'll probably have to trade Hague.

How is it exaggerated? They have to get rid of guys, and not bring anyone in. Money out, none in, unless they trade money out.
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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This is the most stereotypical Leafs fan claim of all time.

No, goaltending wasn't the difference between where the Leafs are now, and literally being the best regular season team by record in NHL history, lmfao.

An extra 15-20 points puts you between 130-135. The most ever were 131 by the 95-96 Red Wings, followed by 128 by the Lightning a few years ago lol.

yes it did cost them a minimum of 15 points, they had the worst goaltending in the league from December- about Mid April.

They got through that because they had the #2 offense in the league so they got away with it

but yes had they gotten league average goaltending from December-April they would not be #2 in the Atlantic they would have been #1 in the Atlantic

Goaltending cost this team A LOT people like you just don't see it because on most nights they offense overcame it.
 

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yes it did cost them a minimum of 15 points, they had the worst goaltending in the league from December- about Mid April.

They got through that because they had the #2 offense in the league so they got away with it

but yes had they gotten league average goaltending from December-April they would not be #2 in the Atlantic they would have been #1 in the Atlantic

Goaltending cost this team A LOT people like you just don't see it because on most nights they offense overcame it.

So admit it. You think this is the greatest regular season team in NHL history if not for goaltending. Lmfao. This. This is why people rip your fanbase to shreds every damn year. God damn I hope you lose in the first round again.

Again. Most all time is 131 points, followed by 128.
 

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How is it exaggerated? They have to get rid of guys, and not bring anyone in. Money out, none in, unless they trade money out.
I mean because people act like they have to sacrifice big parts of their team to get under the cap, when that's really not the case.
 

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I mean because people act like they have to sacrifice big parts of their team to get under the cap, when that's really not the case.

Correct. But just trading Dadonov and Brossoit doesn't elicit the same kind of point and laugh humor as the made up scenarios in which Vegas HAS to trade Theodore or Marchessault to get cap compliant.

Dadanov, Brossoit and Patrick out should be close to enough cap to sign the RFA's and fill out the roster. One more guy would have to go if the Smith signing gets done.
 
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So admit it. You think this is the greatest regular season team in NHL history if not for goaltending. Lmfao. This. This is why people rip your fanbase to shreds every damn year. God damn I hope you lose in the first round again.

Again. Most all time is 131 points, followed by 128.
The 1976-77 Canadiens would like to have a word with you...
 

DavidBL

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yes it did cost them a minimum of 15 points, they had the worst goaltending in the league from December- about Mid April.

They got through that because they had the #2 offense in the league so they got away with it

but yes had they gotten league average goaltending from December-April they would not be #2 in the Atlantic they would have been #1 in the Atlantic

Goaltending cost this team A LOT people like you just don't see it because on most nights they offense overcame it.
If the offense overcame it that would suggest that the team won despite the goaltending. Ie the goaltending didn't cost them the points no?
 

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Id there is a deal with the Leafs I think it's for Lehner because regardless of what happens with Campbell they need a goalie, they can't bring back Marazek.

and that could go bad fast.

Lehner is a good goalie and if you put him on this team, they are probably 1st in the division, not 2nd because goaltending has cost them 15-20 points.

But Lehner also has mental issues and we know that so I have always wondered what a goalie with mental issues + Leaf fans+Leafs Media = and that could equal = very VERY bad things, but it also could equal very very good things because if he did play well he would be treated like a god.

If he ever struggled though that could get dark.
I’m not sure if Lehner has a NTC but in the past he would not like playing for the Maple Leafs. That was from 2021 so not sure if his opinion has changed.
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Vegas needs to take advantage of this long offseason to get their guys healthy and come back strong next year. They were missing key players for a long portion of their season. Their best centre, two best wingers, their starter, and their #3 defenceman missed over half the season. Karlsson and Smith also missed 15+ games. Get healthy, get some good value contracts, and take another run at it next season
 

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