Can the NHL suspend someone due to an attempt with blatant intent

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If the NHL is going to start punishing players with fines and suspensions using the "What If" policy, then every penalty would have to be considered for this as "What If" he had knocked out him in the fight or "What If" he had drawn blood with that high stick?
This is the NHL not the NFL; let the players play and decide the penalties accordingly as the Rule Book calls for.
 
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Forget about the CBA or the U.S constitution!!!! Let's lock up this dangerous monster! Who knows what else he's capable of!
 
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Now I have a reason to dislike the NYR...Just kidding - might start paying more attention to that series.
 

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Yes a recent elbowing attempt by... idk let's say for privacy sake is Jacob T... no that's too obvious... let's say J. Trouba, inspired this but can the NHL in the CBA suspend someone for intent that wiffs if the refs miss it. Like a more extreme example is swinging your stick at a head that is missed or taking off your skate to stab someone
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Wow. Some of you really need to take some deep breaths. In the span of like 70 posts, Trouba has been likened to a murderer more than once, as well as someone who intentionally runs over little girls on bikes with their car, apparently stabbed someone with his skate blades, and should be tried for assault. Not to mention had injury wished upon him many times (which is against site rules to my knowledge).

All for a missed check because the guy ducked under him at the last second to avoid the contact.

Wow.
 

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I think this looks worse than it actually was and it was only made worse with these hot takes by media members on twitter.

- The elbow comes up because he's looking to make contact but with nothing to make contact with, the arm keeps traveling up.

- Necas ducks at the last possible second and Trouba trips over Necas' skates which sends him flying up and over, further accenting the visual perception of the play being dirty
Reasonable take by a non-partisan (I'm assuming).
 

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For those who didn’t see it

You know……I don’t hate the Rangers (always liked Zibby), but Trouba can go have a jog with cheese grater undies after seeing that angle.

No horse in this race, but the NHL should do something about how both parts of that attempted collision could have been near-lethal or next-to.

For those rationalizing it, you don’t get to those motions unless you’re cool with handing someone a hospital pass.

If nothing else, meeting + warning & no fine, with the threat of getting a dreadnought dropped on his balls if he keeps his elbow out like that when hitting.
 
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Wow. Some of you really need to take some deep breaths. In the span of like 70 posts, Trouba has been likened to a murderer more than once, as well as someone who intentionally runs over little girls on bikes with their car, apparently stabbed someone with his skate blades, and should be tried for assault. Not to mention had injury wished upon him many times (which is against site rules to my knowledge).

All for a missed check because the guy ducked under him at the last second to avoid the contact.

Wow.

I won’t say that.

What I will say is that this is due more rage than the amount that was directed at Matt Petgrave.

Necas ducked a “hospital pass” of a hit. Say what you want about follow through - it works both ways, and Trouba would not have looked as far extended as he did were he not cool that elbow connecting at head/neck level.

And THEN he was careless (as Petgrave was) with where his skates went - in so much as he could have been, just having flown into the boards like vintage M. Bison in Street Fighter. Cleaner hits; cleaner landings.


That’s Steve Downie on Dean MacAmmond shit right there. Gotta tone him for that.
 
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I won’t say that.

What I will say is that this is due more rage than the amount that was directed at Matt Petgrave.

Necas ducked a “hospital pass” of a hit. Say what you want about follow through - it works both ways, and Trouba would not have looked as far extended as he did were he not cool that elbow connecting at head/neck level.

And THEN he was careless (as Petgrave was) with bringing down his skates - in so much as he could have been, just having flown into the boards like vintage M. Bison in Street Fighter.


That’s Steve Downie on Dean MacAmmond shit right there. Gotta tone him for that.

Careless as he's falling down after hitting the boards hard with a player under him? Unfortunate that Necas got shins to the back of the head, but people are outright saying Trouba "stabbed him with his skate." That's not what happened.
 
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Careless as he's falling down after hitting the boards hard with a player under him? Unfortunate that Necas got shins to the back of the head, but people are outright saying Trouba "stabbed him with his skate." That's not what happened.

Trouba didn’t stab anyone. Not saying that happened.

But his careless play missing with that elbow is where the sequence begins. He shouldn’t have been flying into the boards like that in the first place; especially considering the fact that it’s done where a player underneath could be at danger of being cut….not in that particular position, unless we roll the clock back to boarding being procedure.

Sure, aspects look worse than what they are, but that whole sequence should be scrutinized. Trouba needs a leash on that kind of stuff.

It looked more careless than the Petgrave incident. Any argument against that denies seeing the Macho-Man-style flying elbow that began it.

Had he been leaning in with a shoulder, it could be argued passable. He made the principal point of intended impact his extended elbow. A clean hit wouldn’t contain that motion unless he was being careless.

Carelessness is something they might kind of want to punish.
 
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Forget about the CBA or the U.S constitution!!!! Let's lock up this dangerous monster! Who knows what else he's capable of!
Yes, attempted murder is real, but keep linking your personal identity and happiness to a brand.
 

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You know……I don’t hate the Rangers (always liked Zibby), but Trouba can go have a jog with cheese grater undies after seeing that angle.

No horse in this race, but the NHL should do something about how both parts of that attempted collision could have been near-lethal or next-to.

For those rationalizing it, you don’t get to those motions unless you’re cool with handing someone a hospital pass.

If nothing else, meeting + warning & no fine, with the threat of getting a dreadnought dropped on his balls if he keeps his elbow out like that when hitting.
Badminton is a good sport, not too scary but I'm warning you, they do hit the shuttlecock hard at times. If you don't like hitting GTFO and watch something that doesn't frighten you.

I'm getting bored of "hockey fans" wanting to implement non-hitting rules.
 
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Yes a recent elbowing attempt by... idk let's say for privacy sake is Jacob T... no that's too obvious... let's say J. Trouba, inspired this but can the NHL in the CBA suspend someone for intent that wiffs if the refs miss it. Like a more extreme example is swinging your stick at a head that is missed or taking off your skate to stab someone


Intent to what? If you mean intent to injure no, because they cannot prive he intended to injure with the hit. Swinging a stick at someone's head? Yeah, because there is no other way to interpret that action.
 

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Intent to what? If you mean intent to injure no, because they cannot prive he intended to injure with the hit. Swinging a stick at someone's head? Yeah, because there is no other way to interpret that action.
Ok intent to elbow him in the head after whiffing the initial hit.
 

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Badminton is a good sport, not too scary but I'm warning you, they do hit the shuttlecock hard at times. If you don't like hitting GTFO and watch something that doesn't frighten you.

I'm getting bored of "hockey fans" wanting to implement non-hitting rules.
And I'm getting bored of "hockey fans" who are utterly blind when it comes to adhering to the actual rules of the game. Or who think a flying ellbow aimed at someone's head has anything to do with hitting. A hockey fan should be aware of what the purpose of a hit is (hint: seperating the opponent from the puck) and what is required for a hit to be legal (another few hints, all taken from the rulebook as it has existed for ages: the target must be a valid target for a hit, you cannot target the head, you aren't allowed to charge, you aren't allowed to jump into it, you aren't allowed to use your ellbow, the list goes on and on). It is the responsibility of the player who makes the hit to make sure that he is a) allowed to make the hit, and b) is making it in such a way that it adheres to all the rules. This one didn't adhere to quite a lot of them.

There is absolutely nothing tough about what Trouba attempted here, nor is there anything tough about defending those sort of hits. Nor does toughness require such hits. What is however a kindergarten-level attempt of making an argument, is pretending that people who ask for the rules to be applied want "non-hitting rules", because absolutely no one has made such an argument. It's nothing more than a strawman, and a rather pitiful one at that.

Intent to what? If you mean intent to injure no, because they cannot prive he intended to injure with the hit. Swinging a stick at someone's head? Yeah, because there is no other way to interpret that action.
Um, yes, you very much can. The idea that you must be able to directly infer what the player tried to achieve for it to be attempt to injure is completely asinine. That's not how the rule works at all. The decison, just like basically any other, is at the discretion of the referee. If the ref is of the opinion that the player tried to injure his opponent, than that is enough. They don't need a psychological examination to establish whether the player truly planned to injure his opponent. It is enough that the attempt was made in such a way that the ref thought it accepted an injury of the opponent. The whole purpose of the rule is for situations like these.

Pretending that someone should not be held accountable just because by sheer luck nothing bad happened, is not how any sort of judgement works. What matters if the act, not the outcome. You don't get the benefit just because of pure luck. A bad act is still a bad act, it doesn't miraculously turn into being okay just because of a luc,ky outcome.

In this case, Trouba attempted a "hit" that was so far away from playing out according to the rules, that there is no way to suggest it was in any way a normal attempt to hit. There is no way to interprete his act in any other way than as an attempt to injure. In no way, shape or from can his move to throw out his ellbow towards the opponent's head be anything but an attempt to injure. He failed to target the player properly, and then tried to circumvent the rules by making use of his ellbow, in full awareness of what that would do to the opponent's head. None of that had anything to do with attempting a clean hit anymore. No, he failed to make a hit, and tried to make up for it through illegal means. Not punishing someone who regularly makes these sort of plays, based on the nonsensical idea that you cannot punish him because his attempt to injure failed, leads to one thing and one thing only: behaviour in the way of Matt Cooke and Raffi Torres. But hell, lets scramble some more brains, and then throw the book at someone after it has been way too late, instead of taking a firm stance right away, thus. What could possibly go wrong?

Why any fan of hockey would think that doing someone that is to the detriment of the game is preferable to something that is good for everyone, is beyond me. There is no advantage ot letting Trouba act like that. There is however a huge advantage in making sure that his victims don't get injured, and that he himself gets back on track to make good hits instead of being all over the place. If you actually cared about hitting, you'd be dead set on making sure that these botched attempts would be punished harshly. The best way to guarantee that hitting remains a vital part of the game (not that there is much of a danger of that changing, no matter how much some people whine about it for years), is to make sure that good clean hits are used as an example, and bad attempts get punished. Because then, and only then, do players actually try to get it right. The more you defend even the worst attempts of a hit, no matter how illegal they are by the rules, the more YOU are doing a disservice to hitting, and the more likely will it become that bigger changes will be made.
 

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If the NHL is going to start punishing players with fines and suspensions using the "What If" policy, then every penalty would have to be considered for this as "What If" he had knocked out him in the fight or "What If" he had drawn blood with that high stick?
This is the NHL not the NFL; let the players play and decide the penalties accordingly as the Rule Book calls for.

The flying elbow is not easy to ignore. What if aside, that was an intentional act to injure. What if should not be the reasoning here. The act itself indeed happen, if not the result.
 

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This animal axe chopped Frederic in the skull with his stick and dops said nothing to see here. Doubt they preemptively suspended this idiot over a missed hit
 
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