Can Ovi age as good as Selanne & Jagr?

[norrisnick]

I mean what is “effective”. Ovi could hammer from his spot on the PP and float around at even strength until he is 50. Would just have to be on a team that wasn’t very good and was fine with the story being about Ovi’s unbreakable goal scoring record….which is where the Caps are headed honestly.

That got Brett Hull into the HOF...

 

[McPoyle]

Could he? Yes. Most durable player of the cap era.

Will he? Who knows.

 

[Mickey Marner]

He’s ageing better than they did.

 

[powerbomb]

Ahhhh, I can't vote on something like this, strictly on account of the OP putting words into users' mouths with the option to say "yes" or say some strange nonsensical reason attached with "no." Like... c'mon, dude. Leading the witness!

 

[Felidae]

No, but it won't have anything to do with Ovechkin's work ethic.

Both Selanne and Jagr benefitted immensely from the time off in the 2005 lockout. Ovechkin doesn't have a comparable.

Jagr rejuvenated himself in the KHL. That simply isn't a political option for Ovechkin now.

Both missed far more time than Ovechkin at the same age so had less normal wear and tear.

Selanne benefited post lockout by playing on a strong team where he wasn't expected to be the number one guy. He got the powerplay time without the hard minutes. Ovechkin is still the Caps number one player so he won't get the easy minutes of a Selanne 2009.

Jagr post KHL bounced around teams. He usually got sheltered minutes and powerplay time.

Ovechkin is really in the 1% of the 1% in terms of elite players who haven't missed time for injuries. He will likely play well into his early 40s, but I think he calls it an NHL career at the end of the season he breaks the goal record.

Jagr was on the first line with Dallas, Philadelphia, his first year as a devil, and his first 2 years as a Panther with less OZS than Ovechkin has had throughout his career. And powerplay time? Most first line right wingers get PP time..

He wasn't sheltered anymore than most first line right wingers

Ovechkin has been more productive overall in his 30s than Jagr, but yet to be determined if he'll be as good as Jagr was in his 40s

 

[KevinRedkey]

Glad you posted this because I was thinking, surely he has to be on track to be the best-aging player ever. I think people really have not yet grasped just how superhuman his 30s have been.

Off the top of my head, I think Sakic had some of the best '30s' hockey as well.

 

[lawrence]

A little different since at the same age, Selanne and Jagr had no kids. Ovy does. things are different for him unless he doesn't care about his kid which I don't think that's the case.

 

[norrisnick]

A little different since at the same age, Selanne and Jagr had no kids. Ovy does. things are different for him unless he doesn't care about his kid which I don't think that's the case.

Lidstrom had kids and he did just fine in his late 30s. Took them to school and everything. Shit isn't hard to manage when you're worth tens of millions.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Even if he loses his speed and his cardio, he will always be a 6'4 f***ing monster with some of the hardest shot in the league.

 

[bobholly39]

He's also said he wants to play in the KHL for a few years after he's done in the NHL ala Datsyuk.

I heard about that but years ago...back then there was speculation he'd leave NHL quite early to do so. At this point I assume that ship has sailed.

He resigned in Washington for multiple years and is clearly chasing the record at this point (whereas a few years ago, it seemed like a long shot he'd get close enough).

yep another reason I don't see any chance he goes for 1000, I really wish he would. That would be one of the greatest all time sports records if he hit 1000 career goals. Just breaking Gretzky's record is incredibly impressive but 1000 man that would be crazy.

I don't see 1000 as a realistic possibility, KHL or not.

Lemieux with health 100% hits 1000+ for me (higher scoring era). I don't see how Ovi gets that, he's too far back. Maybe if he played till ~45-47+, but i highly doubt that.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Ovechkin is aging ridiculously well - particularly as a goal scorer - so it is definitely possible.

It all depends how long the Caps want to cater to the turret.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Teemu doesn’t seem to age at all since he retired.

 

[SwedishFire]

No, but it won't have anything to do with Ovechkin's work ethic.

Both Selanne and Jagr benefitted immensely from the time off in the 2005 lockout. Ovechkin doesn't have a comparable.

Jagr rejuvenated himself in the KHL. That simply isn't a political option for Ovechkin now.

Both missed far more time than Ovechkin at the same age so had less normal wear and tear.

Selanne benefited post lockout by playing on a strong team where he wasn't expected to be the number one guy. He got the powerplay time without the hard minutes. Ovechkin is still the Caps number one player so he won't get the easy minutes of a Selanne 2009.

Jagr post KHL bounced around teams. He usually got sheltered minutes and powerplay time.

Ovechkin is really in the 1% of the 1% in terms of elite players who haven't missed time for injuries. He will likely play well into his early 40s, but I think he calls it an NHL career at the end of the season he breaks the goal record.

This year he may put up 45.
Next year 45 as well.

Alex is always the guy everybody think will regress starts slow, but coming hot.

If he scores 50, a big if, doesnt he get some kind of longevity 40+ goals record?

 

[3B]

I voted "NO" because I think his body takes more abuse because of the physical element in his game.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

This year he may put up 45.
Next year 45 as well.

Alex is always the guy everybody think will regress starts slow, but coming hot.

If he scores 50, a big if, doesnt he get some kind of longevity 40+ goals record?

Most 40+ goal seasons

Alex Ovechkin	12​
Wayne Gretzky	12​
Marcel Dionne	10​
Mario Lemieux	10​
Mike Bossy	9​
Mike Gartner	9​
Bobby Hull	8​
Brett Hull	8​
Luc Robitaille	8​
Phil Esposito	8​
Dale Hawerchuk	7​
Dino Ciccarelli	7​
Jari Kurri	7​
Joe Mullen	7​
Michel Goulet	7​
Pat LaFontaine	7​
Teemu Selanne	7​
Brendan Shanahan	6​
Guy Lafleur	6​
Ilya Kovalchuk	6​
Jaromir Jagr	6​
Lanny McDonald	6​
Steve Yzerman	6​

Ovechkin is tied with Gretzky for 1st, and would take sole possession of the all-time if he reaches 40 this year.

 

[Midnight Judges]

That list is a who's who of the high scoring era. Plus Ovie.

 

[sr edler]

Ovechkin was pretty underwhelming at the second half of last season, and his stats during the 1st half were partly pumped up by a high scoring environment, PP clicking and a lot of ENGs.

He's off to a slow start now this year, so we'll see, I guess a lot of it depends on if the PPs is clicking and if WSH can defend some leads at the end of their games.

A little different since at the same age, Selanne and Jagr had no kids. Ovy does. things are different for him unless he doesn't care about his kid which I don't think that's the case.

This is only true for Jagr, Selänne's oldest kids were born in 1996 and 1997 when he was 26–27 years old. Ovechkin's oldest kid was born in 2018 when OV was 33. Also, don't know if it's 100% true because I'm not a gossip detective, but I've also read somewhere that OVs wife actually spends a lot of the NHL season in Russia.

That list is a who's who of the high scoring era. Plus Ovie.

Bobby Hull played the majority of his NHL career in the 1960s which weren't anymore high scoring than the league Ovechkin played in. It was only at the tail-end of his NHL career, in the early 1970s, the league started to become high scoring, but then he jumped to the WHA. Ovechkin's league was also exceedingly more buttersoft, including more PPs, OTs, ENGs and even 3-on-3s.

Also, these type of lists insinuates guys like Gartner and Ciccarelli were better goal scorers than say Bure and Neely, which they obviously weren't.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

That list is a who's who of the high scoring era. Plus Ovie.

Yeah, the list is pretty much players who peaked in the NHL's highest-scoring two decades, plus Ovechkin at the top, and also Bobby Hull, Jagr and Selanne.

 

[BlueBaron]

Lol. I hate the options. How about maybe not due to a more physical style rather the insulting reasons?

 

[JasonRoseEh]

He's already aged better than them now based on every measurable perspective, the rest is just icing.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

He's off to a slow start now this year, so we'll see, I guess a lot of it depends on if the PPs is clicking and if WSH can defend some leads at the end of their games.

This is only true for Jagr, Selänne's oldest kids were born in 1996 and 1997 when he was 26–27 years old. Ovechkin's oldest kid was born in 2018 when OV was 33. Also, don't know if it's 100% true because I'm not a gossip detective, but I've also read somewhere that OVs wife actually spends a lot of the NHL season in Russia.



Bobby Hull played the majority of his NHL career in the 1960s which weren't anymore high scoring than the league Ovechkin played in. It was only at the tail-end of his NHL career, in the early 1970s, the league started to become high scoring, but then he jumped to the WHA. Ovechkin's league was also exceedingly more buttersoft, including more PPs, OTs, ENGs and even 3-on-3s.

Also, these type of lists insinuates guys like Gartner and Ciccarelli were better goal scorers than say Bure and Neely, which they obviously weren't.

The Caps powerplay has been on a significant decline since the Cup and it wasn't good last year at all which has carried over like clockwork to this season. Ovechkin was the first half of the season MVP last year so no, it wasn't trumped up by anything other than him being awesome. The Capitals missed almost their entire top 6 for extended periods of time to begin the season, Backstrom came back 40 games in and was terrible there forward. Ovechkin absolutely carried the Caps in the first half of the year, it was inevitable he ran out of steam in the second half

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Selanne won Olympics MVP when he was almost 44 years old, Jagr played in NHL until he was 46

Yeah and they were 40 point players.

Lol Olympics

 

[jigglysquishy]

Jagr's 2005-06 season (age 34) is the best season any of the three of them had in their 30s.

 

[Sky04]

Kinda a dumb question considering those guys never stayed in their primes or played as continously as Ovy did.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i think hes aging really well i need to start drinking Dr Pepper