Rumor: Cam Robinson - Tuch Availability

[thedjpd]

You know what else is funny? Creating strawmen .. Nobody has said Tuch is untouchable

The GM basically did, when you say things like "it takes an overpayment." You know what that means to other GMs? "Keep your player."

It's quite clear that this mix of coach and players isn't working. It's also quite clear that finishing bottom 10 for the last 10+ years hasn't worked either. Maybe, just maybe, try to change up the mix a bit with a "fair deal" with another team?

That *is* the only other alternative. Sometimes, a simple deal in talent for talent can invigorate a team to success - but Sabres' consistently hold the position of "Our players are uber talented and require overpayments, and we have an amazing prospect pool of potential superstars who we can't/won't/choose not to trade for help."

Either 1) The Sabres players and prospects are not as good as they think and are overvalued or 2) They haven't had the right mix of players to guide them on how to win in the NHL.

I personally believe it's #2. Sometimes, it's actually better to lose in talent and win in ethic in the right trade. It's something fans don't often get, because we only see on-ice products - not behind the scenes.

It's why we flip out at GMs in trading for culture, or hard work types.

I believe the Buffalo Sabres are indeed ultra talented - but they need to stop trying to trade for more talent - because every thing I constantly see in these threads is "we want to package Tuch and get a better C." News flash - the Sabres are sitting on an on paper roster that is far more talented than the 10-15 teams around them, and are still at the bottom of that heap. It's not "more talent" that's needed.

Just my $.02.

 

[Ace]

The GM basically did, when you say things like "it takes an overpayment." You know what that means to other GMs? "Keep your player."

It's quite clear that this mix of coach and players isn't working. It's also quite clear that finishing bottom 10 for the last 10+ years hasn't worked either. Maybe, just maybe, try to change up the mix a bit with a "fair deal" with another team?

That *is* the only other alternative. Sometimes, a simple deal in talent for talent can invigorate a team to success - but Sabres' consistently hold the position of "Our players are uber talented and require overpayments, and we have an amazing prospect pool of potential superstars who we can't/won't/choose not to trade for help."

Either 1) The Sabres players and prospects are not as good as they think and are overvalued or 2) They haven't had the right mix of players to guide them on how to win in the NHL.

I personally believe it's #2. Sometimes, it's actually better to lose in talent and win in ethic in the right trade. It's something fans don't often get, because we only see on-ice products - not behind the scenes.

It's why we flip out at GMs in trading for culture, or hard work types.

I believe the Buffalo Sabres are indeed ultra talented - but they need to stop trying to trade for more talent - because every thing I constantly see in these threads is "we want to package Tuch and get a better C." News flash - the Sabres are sitting on an on paper roster that is far more talented than the 10-15 teams around them, and are still at the bottom of that heap. It's not "more talent" that's needed.

Just my $.02.

Owen Power has played with Henri Jokiharju for three f***ing years…and the third pair is hilariously bad.

Those two cents aren’t worth what you think they are.

 

[Beerz]

The GM basically did, when you say things like "it takes an overpayment." You know what that means to other GMs? "Keep your player."

It's quite clear that this mix of coach and players isn't working. It's also quite clear that finishing bottom 10 for the last 10+ years hasn't worked either. Maybe, just maybe, try to change up the mix a bit with a "fair deal" with another team?

That *is* the only other alternative. Sometimes, a simple deal in talent for talent can invigorate a team to success - but Sabres' consistently hold the position of "Our players are uber talented and require overpayments, and we have an amazing prospect pool of potential superstars who we can't/won't/choose not to trade for help."

Either 1) The Sabres players and prospects are not as good as they think and are overvalued or 2) They haven't had the right mix of players to guide them on how to win in the NHL.

I personally believe it's #2. Sometimes, it's actually better to lose in talent and win in ethic in the right trade. It's something fans don't often get, because we only see on-ice products - not behind the scenes.

It's why we flip out at GMs in trading for culture, or hard work types.

I believe the Buffalo Sabres are indeed ultra talented - but they need to stop trying to trade for more talent - because every thing I constantly see in these threads is "we want to package Tuch and get a better C." News flash - the Sabres are sitting on an on paper roster that is far more talented than the 10-15 teams around them, and are still at the bottom of that heap. It's not "more talent" that's needed.

Just my $.02.

Brother... we are literally saying we want to take our over abundance of young players and prospects and picks for fair deals that bring us more established vets to insulate our young players. As for Tuch we are saying we do not want futures in a deal for him. There is no rush to move him

 

[DFC]

So wait....Geekie is so good so good but yeah we will trade him? If he's so good cool ride him out because Cirelli is the only name that brings me to the table.

Then again our GM is an idiot who actually kinda looks like an idiot too so anything can happen

Geekie is a good prospect, but he's a year or two away from breaking out. Shows lots of flashes. He will probably end up producing similarly to Tuch in his prime.

 

[wunderpanda]

tuch was willing to become a sabre with his no trade clause, he said all the right things about being a sabre. if he asked for a trade, it will be accommodated. if nothing else, sabres try to be gracious when players want out. wouldn't be shocked if he ends up in utah for shea weber & a pick either.

 

[Hint1k]

To every Sabres fan who said Tuch for Cirelli - I want your help to make a similarly ridiculous trade:

I have a bicycle and I know a guy who has Ferrari....

 

[Weltschmerz]

To every Sabres fan who said Tuch for Cirelli - I want your help to make a similarly ridiculous trade:

I have a bicycle and I know a guy who has Ferrari....

Well Tuch is putting up more points on a bottom dweller than Cirelli playing with Kucherov, so if the Bike is faster than the Ferrari ...

 

[Hint1k]

Well Tuch is putting up more points on a bottom dweller than Cirelli playing with Kucherov, so if the Bike is faster than the Ferrari ...

Tuch can be new Gretzky. It is not the point of comparison.

The point is the level of ridiculousness of the proposal not the level of the players.

So if you can somehow convince Tampa making this deal, then convincing the guy with Ferrari, is going to be a piece of cake.

 

[TageGod]

Sabres fans: Blame the good players. Good players leave, "but why did they leave they are so good now". Proceeds to blame the next batch of good players.

Trading Tuch, unless he requested a trade, is not happening. With our roster construction and for change I would do it for Cirelli, that's it.

 

[Viqsi]

And let’s just address the elephant head on…

Yeah…if your team was in Buffalo’s position they probably should trade players for futures and build it back up. If you are Tampa with your lack of taxes and sunshine and long history of success…you’ll be back up in no time.

If you’re Buffalo…with your high taxes, bad weather and 14 year playoff drought…you shouldn’t be quick to move any player who has proven they can play in this league if they have a contract next year. They need to find MORE not have LESS. They can’t trade their futures for adequate replacements…if they could they wouldn’t be in this mess. They can’t sign top UFAs. They can’t attract players to Buffalo.

So don’t walk in here with your three cups and no state tax and tell Buffalo what they should give you that you can’t f***ing afford because you disagree with the f***ing price…and they aren’t being moved any f***ing way

And stop pretending after this many people have told you that you don’t understand any of it

To add to that last - also stop pretending it's just Sabres fans being ignorant homers since you've also got fans of the Canucks, Jackets, Habs, Avalanche, Wild, Leafs, Flyers, and other teams also saying exactly the same thing.

 

[Viqsi]

It seems like this is the Boone Jenner discussion from last year all over again.

It is. It really is.

 

[kanucks25]

If Tuch does want out I could see Tampa all over it.

But the Cirelli talk is insane, they are not going to swap out one of their important vets, they are trying to add.

So if he's being traded to Tampa it will need to be for picks & prospects that Buffalo will flip for immediate help.

 

[Beerz]

If Tuch does want out I could see Tampa all over it.

But the Cirelli talk is insane, they are not going to swap out one of their important vets, they are trying to add.

So if he's being traded to Tampa it will need to be for picks & prospects that Buffalo will flip for immediate help.

Oh?... Why doesn't Tampa take their futures they are willing to sell and get a replacement for Cirelli after they trade him for Tuch?

 

[kanucks25]

Oh?... Why doesn't Tampa take their futures they are willing to sell and get a replacement for Cirelli after they trade him for Tuch?

Because why in the hell would they trade the guy they took to the 4Nations and played regularly on the team that won the thing?

Who are they going to replace him with that Cooper will find more valuable?

Tampa is in a position where they need to keep all their guys and add.

 

[Beerz]

Because why in the hell would they trade the guy they took to the 4Nations and played regularly on the team that won the thing?

Who are they going to replace him with that Cooper will find more valuable?

Tampa is in a position where they need to keep all their guys and add.

It was said in jest. Doesn't dismiss the fact that there is no reason for Buffalo to sell off a legit quality vet for futures when they have more than enough of futures to make moves.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

Because why in the hell would they trade the guy they took to the 4Nations and played regularly on the team that won the thing?

Who are they going to replace him with that Cooper will find more valuable?

Tampa is in a position where they need to keep all their guys and add.

Fair enough, but Buffalo is in a position where they do not want/need to add more picks and prospects.

Just not a deal to be done here then.

 

[Fatass]

Oh?... Why doesn't Tampa take their futures they are willing to sell and get a replacement for Cirelli after they trade him for Tuch?

If Adams can collect high value draft capital and young assets by moving off current players who are clearly only contributing to their current losing he’s got to do it. Then he can use those picks and prospects collected to trade for experienced players to retool his club. If Adams is stuck on only player for player moves he’s not taking advantage of opportunity and really isn’t doing a good job.

 

[Beerz]

If Adams can collect high value draft capital and young assets by moving off current players who are clearly only contributing to their current losing he’s got to do it. Then he can use those picks and prospects collected to trade for experienced players to retool his club. If Adams is stuck on only player for player moves he’s not taking advantage of opportunity and really isn’t doing a good job.

Disagree. You really think Tuch is the reason for the losing? ....

We know why we lose.

We have no legitimate top 6 Centers.
We have young kids being supported by young kids or prospects.

We have a talented blue line that is comprised all guys 24 or under and is not the right mix of dmen

Alex Tuch isn't causing us to lose.

 

[Fatass]

Disagree. You really think Tuch is the reason for the losing? ....

We know why we lose.

We have no legitimate top 6 Centers.
We have young kids being supported by young kids or prospects.

We have a talented blue line that is comprised all guys 24 or under and is not the right mix of dmen

Alex Tuch isn't causing us to lose.

Are the Sabres winning? They’re bad now and are worse than a bad season last year. They’re headed in the wrong direction. Tuch would return a lot in picks and prospects. Adams could trade other players for a lot of high value picks and prospects too. Then he could use those high value picks/prospects to trade for experienced players he likes. Him thinking it’s got to be player out and player in trades only isn’t doing his job very well.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Oh?... Why doesn't Tampa take their futures they are willing to sell and get a replacement for Cirelli after they trade him for Tuch?

Just came to post this. For all the posters who refuse to hear the message that Buffalo doesn’t want their gd prospects.

 

[Beerz]

Are the Sabres winning? They’re bad now and are worse than a bad season last year. They’re headed in the wrong direction. Tuch would return a lot in picks and prospects. Adams could trade other players for a lot of high value picks and prospects too. Then he could use those high value picks/prospects to trade for experienced players he likes. Him thinking it’s got to be player out and player in trades only isn’t doing his job very well.

You sure changed your tune in less than 24 hours.

Rumor: Post in thread 'Cam Robinson - Tuch Availability'

Yesterday at 8:55 PM

I don’t think Tuch is off limits or unavailable, I could see him traded in a hockey trade. I don’t understand why we’d trade a non-ufa for future assets we don’t need

Only reason to trade a guy as good as Tuch (and of that age) is because there’s concern the player will leave when they get to free agency. Snd Tuch loves it there. So this rumour makes no sense. He’s a guy the Sabres will extend this summer.

• Fatass

 

[tsujimoto74]

If Adams can collect high value draft capital and young assets by moving off current players who are clearly only contributing to their current losing he’s got to do it. Then he can use those picks and prospects collected to trade for experienced players to retool his club. If Adams is stuck on only player for player moves he’s not taking advantage of opportunity and really isn’t doing a good job.

Sorry Buffalo isn’t doing what you want them to.

 

[kanucks25]

Fair enough, but Buffalo is in a position where they do not want/need to add more picks and prospects.

Just not a deal to be done here then.

Yeah I get that, which is why a deal like this would only be made with Tampa if Buffalo already has a follow-up deal lined up where they flip those assets for something that helps their current roster.

Similar to what my Canucks did when they traded Horvat and Miller.

 

[Beerz]

Yeah I get that, which is why a deal like this would only be made with Tampa if Buffalo already has a follow-up deal lined up where they flip those assets for something that helps their current roster.

Similar to what my Canucks did when they traded Horvat and Miller.

Well if they had that option why wouldn't Kevyn do that trade now? We have more than enough picks and prospects to do a deal like that with no need of Tampas prospects.

You know why it hasn't happened? .. Because finding a willing trade partner isn't easy to begin with.... then add in the fact that probably 85% of the players probably have Buffalo on their NTC.
I don't think fans of other teams realize how fycked this franchise is. It is not just hahaha Buffalo missed playoffs again... it is this franchise could be gone in next 5 years. There is no way the fan base will tolerate another rebuild and be gaslit and told to be patient.

 

[boltsfan86]

Well Tuch is putting up more points on a bottom dweller than Cirelli playing with Kucherov, so if the Bike is faster than the Ferrari ...

Cirelli has not played much with Kucherov at all, and Kucherov is not much of a factor in his success. I don't think there's a deal to be made here, but to act like Cirelli doesn't have more trade value than Tuch given his production offensively and defensively is equal or better, he's younger, he's on a team friendly deal for many years, and he's been an integral part of three trips to the Cup final? Well, I think it's a little silly.