Rumor: Cam Robinson - Tuch Availability

[Rschmitz]

But they have draft picks and prospects to bring established players? But would have one less established player.

And why even do the middle step. Why not trade Tuch for an established player if that’s the end goal?



It’s incredible I haven’t noticed these extremely condescending posts in the 23 years you’ve been here. You know you can post in this thread with attacking a fan base?

Saying Buffalo fans are not being rational for wanting roster players in the middle of a very bad losing season, was not intended as an attack. Extremely fragile if taken that way.

That does not mean a second contact/ try occurred.

It's implied, but sure it wasn't explicitly stated.

 

[dickiedunnwrotethis]

Actually, there could be sense in moving Tuch. Even if it is for futures.

The Sabres aren’t going anywhere this season. They could use prospects and draft picks this off-season to bring in established players.

Established players like Tuch? I think it's magical thinking that a futures based return for Tuch can be flipped to bring in a more impactful vet than Tuch himself.

 

[Djp]

Very possible. I don't think we have a legit blue chipper. But I think Geekie is a similar prospect to Tuch, and we would add to him. Wouldn't surprise me to see JBB completely empty the cupboard. Like the Jeannot trade, but with better pieces.

Tuch makes a LOT of sense for us, both this year and next. If Buffalo can't find an equal value roster player elsewhere, our offer might not look so bad if they feel they won't get him signed next year.

Geekie is not a similar prospect to Tuch.

In any prospect rankings hed be behind Kulich, Ostlund, Rosen, wahlberg, helenius, and a fee others in F prospects

The sabres GM has said hes done acquiring prospects

As of now Tuch coukd be traded for a hockey player that fills a void that is not 28 or older

 

[Dirty Dog]

Saying Buffalo fans are not being rational for wanting roster players in the middle of a very bad losing season, was not intended as an attack. Extremely fragile if taken that way.

Didn’t the Sabres trade away a player at the trade deadline for a roster player during a bad losing season…last year?

 

[Ace]

Established players like Tuch? I think it's magical thinking that a futures based return for Tuch can be flipped to bring in a more impactful vet than Tuch himself.

Especially when you’re on every no trade list and have Kevyn Adams as your GM

Didn’t the Sabres trade away a player at the trade deadline for a roster player during a bad losing season…last year?

Facts haven’t mattered in this thread from post one

 

[Rschmitz]

Didn’t the Sabres trade away a player at the trade deadline for a roster player during a bad losing season…last year?

I don't know. I know if the Lightning were in Buffalo's position we'd be trade everyone possible. It's the rational thing to do, even if it isn't working out as intended.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Didn’t the Sabres trade away a player at the trade deadline for a roster player during a bad losing season…last year?

And see what it did to them!

 

[Petes2424]

Just don’t see why they’d trade one of the players who they actually need more of, not less. But that’s always been the cursed Buffalo Sabres.

The one player they almost have to trade is Byrum. They can’t allow him to file for arbitration. Once that happens, they lose all control over him. He can pull a Debrincat and likely would.

When you have these good young Dmen, you have a choice to make once they hit arbitration age. Give them the big term contract, or trade them.

Terms know this. So if they didn’t plan to pay him from Day One, why trade for him??

If the do neither, he will go to arbitration and get a massive short term AAV, and walk himself to UFA with all trade control.

That’s why it was a strange trade to begin with. You had to expect they knew they were gonna have to pay him before the 2025 deadline. Even if it gets to the draft, he’ll still control where he’s going to go, because nobody will trade for him, knowing he holds all the cards. A lot of power for an under 25.

In his mind, he’ll suck it up, spend another year in Buffalo (getting paid) but after that, play exactly where he wants the rest of his career.. For big dollars.

 

[Ace]

I don't know.

That’s been a running theme here, yeah

 

[DFC]

Geekie is not a similar prospect to Tuch.

In any prospect rankings hed be behind Kulich, Ostlund, Rosen, wahlberg, helenius, and a fee others in F prospects

The sabres GM has said hes done acquiring prospects

As of now Tuch coukd be traded for a hockey player that fills a void that is not 28 or older

Conservatively, Geekie looks like about a 40-60 point forward with size. It's not identical, but similar. I think Geekie might have one or two big years like Tuch's, but in general I see a 50 point player with a good mix of size and school. That's me. A lot of TB fans are higher on him.

I'm not saying we have the pieces to get it done. But I do think our offer will be a pretty big overpay.

 

[Rschmitz]

That’s been a running theme here, yeah

man you got me, good one

 

[Ace]

Just don’t see why they’d trade one of the players who they actually need more of, not less. But that’s always been the cursed Buffalo Sabres.

The one player they almost have to trade is Byrum. They can’t allow him to file for arbitration. Once that happens, they lose all control over him. He can pull a Debrincat and likely would.

When you have these good young Dmen, you have a choice to make once they hit arbitration age. Give them the big term contract, or trade them.

Terms know this. So if they didn’t plan to pay him from Day One, why trade for him??

If the do neither, he will go to arbitration and get a massive short term AAV, and walk himself to UFA with all trade control.

That’s why it was a strange trade to begin with. You had to expect they knew they were gonna have to pay him before the 2025 deadline. Even if it gets to the draft, he’ll still control where he’s going to go, because nobody will trade for him, knowing he holds all the cards. A lot of power for an under 25.

In his mind, he’ll suck it up, spend another year in Buffalo (getting paid) but after that, play exactly where he wants the rest of his career.. For big dollars.

Byram has more than one year of team control left.

He’s not walking himself to free agency by going to arbitration at 23 years old

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Just don’t see why they’d trade one of the players who they actually need more of, not less. But that’s always been the cursed Buffalo Sabres.

The one player they almost have to trade is Byrum. They can’t allow him to file for arbitration. Once that happens, they lose all control over him. He can pull a Debrincat and likely would.

When you have these good young Dmen, you have a choice to make once they hit arbitration age. Give them the big term contract, or trade them.

Terms know this. So if they didn’t plan to pay him from Day One, why trade for him??

If the do neither, he will go to arbitration and get a massive short term AAV, and walk himself to UFA with all trade control.

That’s why it was a strange trade to begin with. You had to expect they knew they were gonna have to pay him before the 2025 deadline. Even if it gets to the draft, he’ll still control where he’s going to go, because nobody will trade for him, knowing he holds all the cards. A lot of power for an under 25.

In his mind, he’ll suck it up, spend another year in Buffalo (getting paid) but after that, play exactly where he wants the rest of his career.. For big dollars.

If he files then Sabres get to pick the term
He’s been good enuf that they should extend him

Problem is he wants to run po1

 

[Ace]

And let’s just address the elephant head on…

Yeah…if your team was in Buffalo’s position they probably should trade players for futures and build it back up. If you are Tampa with your lack of taxes and sunshine and long history of success…you’ll be back up in no time.

If you’re Buffalo…with your high taxes, bad weather and 14 year playoff drought…you shouldn’t be quick to move any player who has proven they can play in this league if they have a contract next year. They need to find MORE not have LESS. They can’t trade their futures for adequate replacements…if they could they wouldn’t be in this mess. They can’t sign top UFAs. They can’t attract players to Buffalo.

So don’t walk in here with your three cups and no state tax and tell Buffalo what they should give you that you can’t f***ing afford because you disagree with the f***ing price…and they aren’t being moved any f***ing way

And stop pretending after this many people have told you that you don’t understand any of it

 

[tsujimoto74]

I think we would offer a lot, honestly. It would be an overpay of futures. We want the contract as much as the player. Next year could be a swing for the fences year. So, IMO, it would be any prospect ++. Judging by jbb's track record. Tuch is basically what we hope Geekie turns into.

Here’s the thing: the Sabres don’t give a flying f*** about futures. We have more than enough already. If you want to incentivize Buffalo to trade Tuch, you’re gonna have to come up with something a whole lot better for the Sabres than that.

 

[Ace]

Here’s the thing: the Sabres don’t give a flying f*** about futures. We have more than enough already. If you want to incentivize Buffalo to trade Tuch, you’re gonna have to come up with something a whole lot better for the Sabres than that.

It’s just incredible how hard it is for people to understand a simple concept

Or that THEY ARENT SHOPPING TUCH BECAUSE HES NOT A UFA THIS YEAR

 

[is the answer jesus]

I’m just saying that there is more than one way that value can be shown when considering trading for prospects/picks.

That’s all. And none of us know what Tuch’s intentions are regarding the Sabres organization. Do you think he’s thrilled with the way things are going?

I think Buffalo absolutely has to feel Tuch and his agent out and see if he wants to be here moving forward. If not this deadline could be a chance to maximize the return. I just have little faith that Adams could take a return of picks and prospects and turn it into anything really meaningful for this team moving forward. We don't need Geekie or Howard, we don't need late 1st round picks in a subpar draft. So it becomes taking those assets into another off-season where everyone knows you have no space for all these prospects and you have very little ability to convince players to come to your organization. That leaves a very small pool of players that a) Have no trade protection b) that actually fit Buffalo's needs and c) are actually on the market. Sounds like a perfect recipe for another off-season of: "I tried, but deals are hard to make". The end result being a bunch of unproven kids that have to be pushed into roles they aren't ready for and they now have one less proven vet on the roster to insulate them.

I think we would offer a lot, honestly. It would be an overpay of futures. We want the contract as much as the player. Next year could be a swing for the fences year. So, IMO, it would be any prospect ++. Judging by jbb's track record. Tuch is basically what we hope Geekie turns into.

I wish TB had available pieces that addressed more of our needs if we felt we had to move on from Tuch because I think you're right in that TB could really use the player and would likely overpay to get him, but I just don't see the fit here. As a contender they aren't moving established vets and we don't really need Geekie or picks. Trading for them with the hope that you can flip them for a useful established player at a later time is a fools errand with our GM. He's far more likely to get taken to the cleaners by another GM that realizes he's lost all his leverage by stock piling too many prospects to realistically work into his team moving forward.

 

[unicornpig]

Instead of buffalo fans just saying that he's not available or they don't want prospects, how about entertain the thread and post what the sabres want if tuch was traded. RD, center?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Exactly.

I'm calling Sydney Sweeney, but there's no rumours about us dating.

I believe in you brother go get some

 

[Chainshot]

It seems like this is the Boone Jenner discussion from last year all over again.

 

[DFC]

Here’s the thing: the Sabres don’t give a flying f*** about futures. We have more than enough already. If you want to incentivize Buffalo to trade Tuch, you’re gonna have to come up with something a whole lot better for the Sabres than that.

I get that, but if Buffalo doesn't put a winning team together next year (and have fun doing that if they don't trade older players), will Tuch stick around? I keep seeing "we need more tuchs," but how exactly do you do that?

Not saying Buffalo management will be open to TB's offer. But I do think TB is going to offer a pretty massive overpay.

 

[truthbluth]

Instead of buffalo fans just saying that he's not available or they don't want prospects, how about entertain the thread and post what the sabres want if tuch was traded. RD, center?

Holy shit this has been done a million times. Cirelli/Cernak

 

[Ace]

Instead of buffalo fans just saying that he's not available or they don't want prospects, how about entertain the thread and post what the sabres want if tuch was traded. RD, center?

The thread is built on a bullshit clickbait post and Tampa doesn’t have the pieces for what we know they want in return IF they were to consider moving him when they don’t have to.

There.

Thread over.

 

[DFC]

I don't know. I know if the Lightning were in Buffalo's position we'd be trade everyone possible. It's the rational thing to do, even if it isn't working out as intended.

Yeah, they're sick of rebuilds and in such a bad situation that a rebuild is the only answer.

 

[Stelio Kontos]

Established players like Tuch? I think it's magical thinking that a futures based return for Tuch can be flipped to bring in a more impactful vet than Tuch himself.

How impactful is Tuch to the Sabres when they are the worst team in the conference?