Value of: Cam Fowler

[tomd]

I'd be surprised if any team would acquire Fowler with the intention of playing him on the right side.

 

[BLNY]

Correlation doesn't equal causation. If the Ducks are willing to retain, there's no reason to think they keep Trouba long-term.

 

[kanucks25]

Fowler screams Canuck, he's exactly what Allvin would be looking for, and Hughes would always be #1LD so he'd be able to play a little further down the lineup.

Well it has been speculated he was willing to go to more teams than his 4 team ntc.... so maybe hes just ready to begin a new chapter in the NHL.

Yeah Fowler would be a good fit here as a 2nd pair two-way LD, pretty much exactly what we need.

Just don't know if we'd want to spend the assets it would require for a guy that probably won't be in the plans past next season. In other words, they are likely targeting a player more in his prime so he can contribute here for longer.

(and then of course, is he even willing to play here).

 

[SmokeyDuck]

Is there any particular reason for Fowler's slow start this season? I like him as a player and would want the Sharks to get him if they could make it make sense and Fowler was alright being there but there's too many variables that would need to get right for it to happen.

We switched defensive systems just around the time he got injured.

 

[OccidentalOctopus]

Hypothetically, what would Detroit have to offer that would move PV's needle on Fowler? Would they be willing to retain, then take back another defenseman with term and salary like Justin Holl?

 

[FiveTacos]

Yeah Fowler would be a good fit here as a 2nd pair two-way LD, pretty much exactly what we need.

Just don't know if we'd want to spend the assets it would require for a guy that probably won't be in the plans past next season. In other words, they are likely targeting a player more in his prime so he can contribute here for longer.

I don't know that the cost would be exorbitant, but anyone in his prime who fits the mold is far less likely to be on the block in the first place. And if he is, the price will be exponentially higher. A long-term good 2nd pairing two way D is a pretty valuable piece, probably comparable to getting a 2C in his prime.

(and then of course, is he even willing to play here).

Who knows, but on the surface it seems a pretty good destination in terms of team quality + location.

Hypothetically, what would Detroit have to offer that would move PV's needle on Fowler? Would they be willing to retain, then take back another defenseman with term and salary like Justin Holl?

Retain, probably yes. Take back a dman? Absolutely not.

 

[cheesymc]

What are the top teams that might be looking at Fowler?

I’ve read Blues, Senators, Oilers, and Wings. I was hoping Predators but they unexpectedly have been trash. I don’t think the Blues have the cap space, and I’m not sure Cam would waive for the Senators (Ostapchuk would be nice), and the Oilers have nothing to offer other than futures. Trying to hope for the best outcome for the Ducks and for Cam who deserves a shot on a good team.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Hypothetically, what would Detroit have to offer that would move PV's needle on Fowler? Would they be willing to retain, then take back another defenseman with term and salary like Justin Holl?

We’d prob prefer a forward….. as part of the reason for moving fowler is a log jam blocking our young dmen who need nhl mins

And if we want to keep a vet dmen along with gudas and trouba I’d prefer dumolin over fowler in terms of fit. But I think helleson plays like a vet…. So he can fill that role

 

[Rowlet]

What are the top teams that might be looking at Fowler?

I’ve read Blues, Senators, Oilers, and Wings. I was hoping Predators but they unexpectedly have been trash. I don’t think the Blues have the cap space, and I’m not sure Cam would waive for the Senators (Ostapchuk would be nice), and the Oilers have nothing to offer other than futures. Trying to hope for the best outcome for the Ducks and for Cam who deserves a shot on a good team.

Definitely the Canucks as well.

 

[Rowlet]

We’d prob prefer a forward….. as part of the reason for moving fowler is a log jam blocking our young dmen who need nhl mins

And if we want to keep a vet dmen along with gudas and trouba I’d prefer dumolin over fowler in terms of fit. But I think helleson plays like a vet…. So he can fill that role

Thoughts on Hoglander? Other teams are allegedly very interested (PIT, CBJ, WSH), but we have a logjam at forward and he's in the Tocchet dog house right now.

He's 23, coming off of a 24g season, all at even strength, a grit and sandpaper kind of player and he's cost controlled after this season (Elliotte Friedman said that made him more valuable around the league).

The team, ideally, wouldn't be super interested in moving him but there's very little fat to trim in regards to overpaid players, but such is life.

 

[cheesymc]

Definitely the Canucks as well.

I think I’ve read that as well but have no clue how that would happen. I’ve heard Hogs is on the block but he only has a 1.1m cap hit and Verbeek doesn’t like short guys like himself. There would be a lot of juggling and not sure who the Ducks would want. Soucy, Hogs, 1st for max retained Cam? But Ducks would need to move Dumoulin earlier than the deadline. Or swap Soucy with Joshua… but Verbeek would need to take on his 4 year term.

Still prefer power forwards or big RHD…

 

[Rowlet]

I think I’ve read that as well but have no clue how that would happen. I’ve heard Hogs is on the block but he only has a 1.1m cap hit and Verbeek doesn’t like short guys like himself. There would be a lot of juggling and not sure who the Ducks would want. Soucy, Hogs, 1st for max retained Cam? But Ducks would need to move Dumoulin earlier than the deadline. Or swap Soucy with Joshua… but Verbeek would need to take on his 4 year term.

Still prefer power forwards or big RHD…

Hoglander isn't very big but he plays with a lot of grit, he's not a power forward but he has a ton of sandpaper to his game.

As for RHD, the team could move Desharnais, which is 2m x 2y, and you could probably flip him for an asset at the next deadline, he's 6'7.

Are the Ducks open to retaining on Fowler?

 

[cheesymc]

Hoglander isn't very big but he plays with a lot of grit, he's not a power forward but he has a ton of sandpaper to his game.

As for RHD, the team could move Desharnais, which is 2m x 2y, and you could probably flip him for an asset at the next deadline, he's 6'7.

Are the Ducks open to retaining on Fowler?

I believe retention is required for sure to move him anywhere. I think max is definitely in the table for a decent return… but based on trade results Verbeek doesn’t get that much more in return… your talking about mid round picks here…

 

[Rowlet]

I believe retention is required for sure to move him anywhere. I think max is definitely in the table for a decent return… but based on trade results Verbeek doesn’t get that much more in return… your talking about mid round picks here…

If the Ducks retain and are interested in an RHD Desharnais, the cap math isn't very difficult to do from the Vancouver end.

 

[cheesymc]

If the Ducks retain and are interested in an RHD Desharnais, the cap math isn't very difficult to do from the Vancouver end.

I like Hogs effort, but the cap hit of 3 million next year and his size are making me think it would be a turnoff of Verbeek. Plus Soucy would be preferred over Desharnais because he can eat more minutes and he has another year (ducks can’t cheaply attract UFAs) so he would be ideal to take Dumoulins spot.

Hopefully the move happens soon with a team getting aggressive with a good offer… I don’t think it helps to drag this out to the deadline.

 

[Rowlet]

I like Hogs effort, but the cap hit of 3 million next year and his size are making me think it would be a turnoff of Verbeek. Plus Soucy would be preferred over Desharnais because he can eat more minutes and he has another year (ducks can’t cheaply attract UFAs) so he would be ideal to take Dumoulins spot.

Hopefully the move happens soon with a team getting aggressive with a good offer… I don’t think it helps to drag this out to the deadline.

I don't think Soucy is in the cards, he has a full NTC this season, plus he's just started to turn things around. Desharnais does have another year after this season though.

As for Hoglander's cap hit, Elliotte Friedman said that it gives Hoglander more value, not less, but I can't speak about Verbeek specifically, just on what Friedman said in regards to teams like the Pens, Caps, and Blue Jackets.

 

[David71]

he could be a good pickup for vancouver. puck mover on the 2nd pair. could play pp unit 2.

 

[biturbo19]

He'd certainly make a lot of sense in Vancouver. The real question is just...what does Verbeek think of Hoglander? It's probably tough to make a deal work without him as part of it. And it's been pretty apparent that, ironically...Verbeek has been a bit of a size queen. So if he doesn't value Hoglander, and isn't willing to take on the contract extension...things get pretty tricky.

The other possibility would be...there are other teams with reported interest in Hoglander. If you can get one of those teams involved that happens to have that bigger player Verbeek wants, he could sort of three-way "flip" Hoglander for that. But those sort of deals start to get really complicated to work out...and there will probably be much simpler offers on the table with still good "value".

 

[OccidentalOctopus]

Retain, probably yes. Take back a dman? Absolutely not.

We’d prob prefer a forward….. as part of the reason for moving fowler is a log jam blocking our young dmen who need nhl mins

So, how about Michael Rasmussen? $3.2m for the next 3 years after this (UFA after '27-'28). 6'6", doesn't play super hard all the time, but has been known to make that power move or screen. Has some flashes of high skill. He will also throw hands occasionally.

Could be a 1-for-1 trade, 50% retention on Fowler?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So, how about Michael Rasmussen? $3.2m for the next 3 years after this (UFA after '27-'28). 6'6", doesn't play super hard all the time, but has been known to make that power move or screen. Has some flashes of high skill. He will also throw hands occasionally.

Could be a 1-for-1 trade, 50% retention on Fowler?

By eating half of Fowler's salary and taking that contract, the Ducks would effectively be paying Rasmussen $6.4M for the next two years. That doesn't sound very appealing at all, unless you are adding in some very good asset(s).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So, how about Michael Rasmussen? $3.2m for the next 3 years after this (UFA after '27-'28). 6'6", doesn't play super hard all the time, but has been known to make that power move or screen. Has some flashes of high skill. He will also throw hands occasionally.

Could be a 1-for-1 trade, 50% retention on Fowler?

I feel like there would need to be a decent add to the deal from Detroit.

That’s a significant retention… and I’d say fowler is significantly better player… 1 for 1 with retention seems bad for Anaheim

 

[OccidentalOctopus]

By eating half of Fowler's salary and taking that contract, the Ducks would effectively be paying Rasmussen $6.4M for the next two years. That doesn't sound very appealing at all, unless you are adding in some very good asset(s).

I feel like there would need to be a decent add to the deal from Detroit.

That’s a significant retention… and I’d say fowler is significantly better player… 1 for 1 with retention seems bad for Anaheim

Okay, that's fair.

If we start with Fowler @ 50%, with Rasmussen coming back as a base, what are Anaheim's organizational needs? At what positions are they thin regarding prospects?

Would the better of NYR and Detroit's 3rd round pick in 2025 be desirable (and let's face it, it'll be Detroit's at this point)?

There are a fair number of forwards in Detroit's pipeline that may be available (speculation, of course). I'd think guys like Carter Mazur, Amadeus Lombardi, Nate Danielson, and Michael Brandsegg-Nygård would be off the table, but any of the other young forwards in the organization aren't untouchable. If you're looking for more big power forward types, would someone like Elmer Soderblom be intriguing? 23 years old, 6'8" 250lbs, great hands, decent skater, but is still trying to figure out how to use his size effectively.

From the way you folks are talking, it seems like immediate roster players aren't a pressing need, and that would just add more salary to the mix. However, Jonatan Berggren or Joe Veleno might be available as far as cheap, youngish forwards, but at the moment neither of them are "game-breakers;" more like "change of scenery/untapped potential" guys. Someone like Marco Kasper would be off the table, I'd imagine.

I appreciate the dialogue, and fully realize we might not have what it takes to make the trade. However, we have to upgrade that defensive 2nd pair sooner rather than later, and Fowler would be a very good fit for obvious reasons (unless you'd rather trade Gudas, but I seriously doubt that).

 

[Fantast100]

Fowler has 1 more year on his deal beyond this season at a cap hit of $6.5M.

He does have a restrictive no trade clause

Fowler won't be traded. The Ducks wager heavily on Fowler. The Ducks have at least six good defensemen and one good goaltender and one former good goaltender as a backup goalie.

 

[FiveTacos]

From the way you folks are talking, it seems like immediate roster players aren't a pressing need, and that would just add more salary to the mix.

Well the reality is that if Zegras is out for a while (plus who knows when Carlsson will be back), their season is toast anyway ... they don't have the offensive depth to survive the loss of their only two real play drivers. So it's more about what can help them going forward. And also depends on where Fowler would want to go.

 

[OccidentalOctopus]

Well the reality is that if Zegras is out for a while (plus who knows when Carlsson will be back), their season is toast anyway ... they don't have the offensive depth to survive the loss of their only two real play drivers. So it's more about what can help them going forward. And also depends on where Fowler would want to go.

If that's the case, Berggren might be an intriguing option. He's not a C, nor is he near the level of Zegras or Carlsson, but he's a skill player with good speed and a relatively solid 2-way game.

Rasmussen can spot fill at C, but he's been more effective on the wing.

Veleno is a C, but at the moment it looks like he's set for the 3rd line at best.

So let's try this:
- Michael Rasmussen ($3.2m x 3 after this season)
- Jonatan Berggren ($825k, RFA after this season)
- Detroit's 2025 3rd round pick

for

- Cam Fowler @ 33% retained ($4.35m x 1 after this season)
- Jansen Harkins ($787k, waiver fodder, only here to make the roster spots work for Anaheim)
- Maybe a later draft pick?

Fowler might consider waiving his NTC for Detroit since he grew up in Michigan?

Does this move the needle for either team?