Proposal: Calgary and Toronto: Tkachuk-Marner swap over the summer

[varano]

Not more than 11 million though... well with Dubas in charge of the signing who knows.

Even if it was 9, the two million in space isn't going to be enough of an incentive

 

[varano]

I like this proposal from a Flames perspective, but also from a Leafs perspective. I actually proposed this about 7 months ago. I would want a small add (2nd rd. pick) for the Flames for taking on the additional salary.

You're nuts.

 

[Frenzy31]

1.) to be fair…… they said the same about Brady
2.) Matt hasn’t exactly led the flames to the promise land

Calgary doesn't have the same aspirations at Toronto - in that not a lot is expected from them. Toronto has been disappointing. I would much rather have MT then Marner.

 

[varano]

After seeing the Brady contract negotiations, is it really unreasonable to think Matthew will be asking for $11M on a long-term deal? Certainly, he'll be pushing for $10M+.

The Leafs are really in a bad position with the contracts they have. While having some sandpaper on the top lines will help, Hyman provided that before he signed with Edmonton. Ritchie was supposed to provide it. Foligno was supposed to provide it. If Marner goes, it will have to be for a young cost-controlled player to give the Leafs some cap flexibility in the short term. To lose Marner for around $1M in cap relief isn't worth it.

Hyman was never a "sandpaper" guy. He was groomed by Babcock to do three things, get the puck in the corner, give it to someone else, absorb the hit. That's it.

 

[Ainsy01]

The same Lindholm with 6 goals in 5 games this year?

haha true ! he seems to find himself in better scoring situations as a center than a winger. Historically a pass-first player but I love his look right now.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Value wise it isn't terrible, but it doesn't make sense for Calgary. Gaudreau and Marner are not the make up of a Sutter top 6.

 

[Double Dion]

You're nuts.

How so? I think if you ask GMs every single one of them would take Tkachuk ahead of Marner. The issue for us is a complete lack of RHS in the top 9 except for Lindholm, so we have to play Tkachuk and Mangiapane on their bad side. I'd want a 2nd to make up the value difference and I'd still say we lost the trade in terms of value. It just makes our roster better.

 

[DJJones]

Mangi does play big

He also gets thrown to the ice multiple times a game for his trouble haha

 

[Perennial]

Here's the problem if you're Toronto...

You make that trade, but then what do you do if Tkachuk insists on getting the same contract the Leafs gave to Marner?

Dubas would have very little leverage in negotiations... since he either grossly overpays another winger, or he ends up in a contract dispute with the player he just traded Marner for

 

[Sundinisagod]

I’d do this for Toronto.

….but I’d have somebody other than Dubas to negotiate the extension.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Value is fair, Flames dont need another small perimeter winger that disappears in the playoffs though

 

[KevinRedkey]

Marner is the better player (I dont see anyone claiming otherwise), but Tkachuk brings a skillset Toronto doesn't really have. If they fail in the playoffs again, you gotta think Toronto has to make a big move like this in the offseason.

I’d do this for Toronto.

….but I’d have somebody other than Dubas to negotiate the extension.

lmao that's fair honestly

 

[Deadly Dogma]

The problem is Marner@11>Tkachuk@9

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

The problem is Marner@11>Tkachuk@9

Strongly disagree

"Pass to Matthews" does not make you a better player

 

[Sundinisagod]

Marner is the better player (I dont see anyone claiming otherwise), but Tkachuk brings a skillset Toronto doesn't really have. If they fail in the playoffs again, you gotta think Toronto has to make a big move like this in the offseason.



lmao that's fair honestly

They might need to make move along these lines just to make the playoffs.

They probably won’t though.

A move like this happens when Dubas is replaced imho…that’s almost guaranteed to happen if they don’t make the playoffs or out in the 1st round, might even need to win 2 rounds. Maybe sooner, that ice is getting thinner by the day.

 

[Chayos]

Hyman was never a "sandpaper" guy. He was groomed by Babcock to do three things, get the puck in the corner, give it to someone else, absorb the hit. That's it.

You forgot to add score shorthanded, powerplay and even strength goals. He is a sandpaper guy and is way better than you are making him out to be. I was skeptical when we signed him, but quite quickly I saw how he fits with skill players. Toronto will definitely miss Hyman and man are the Oilers happy to have him.

 

[blankall]

Marner is the better player (I dont see anyone claiming otherwise), but Tkachuk brings a skillset Toronto doesn't really have. If they fail in the playoffs again, you gotta think Toronto has to make a big move like this in the offseason.



lmao that's fair honestly

But then what about Calgary? If Gaudreau stays, there's no reason to also have Marner, who has a very similar skill set.

The only way I see this making any sense is if the club already know Gaudreau is walking and they are bringing in Eichel. Eichel/Marner in with Gaudreau/Tkachuk out makes some sense, structure and cap wise. Calgary just straight up trading Tkachuk for Marner is pretty senseless, unless it's part of a bigger plan.

If Gaudreau isn't re-signed and Eichel isn't coming to Calgary, then Calgary's top six looks like:

Marner-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Dube-Backlund-Coleman

That's not a winning team and Calgary gets saddled with Marner's massive contract.

 

[34]

It is ok, but I still much prefer Marner for Eichel.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Strongly disagree

"Pass to Matthews" does not make you a better player

My morale is soooo low right now with this team, I just don't have it in me to argue.

 

[blankall]

It is ok, but I still much prefer Marner for Eichel.

The Leafs main problem appears to be too much cap tied up in high end centres. So your solution is bring an even more centre orientated player making $10+ million....brilliant.

 

[Traptor]

Value is fine as a 1 for 1.
However, as a Calgary fan, I hope they wouldn't do this.
Marner is a good player but we don't need another perimeter player. Even if you put Marner and Gaudreau on different lines, their playstyle is too similar. You don't build a contenders forward core around 20m tied up in x2 perimeter wingers.
I love Gaudreau but one is enough.

 

[BKarchitect]

Imagine Gaudreau and Marner leading the line of your playoff hopes….

 

[Nylanderthal]

Calgary needs a top 4 D as well, right? How about this?
Marner + Rielly for Tkachuck + Gaudreau? I know both are upcoming FA but it gives both teams and players a chance to see how the fit is before committing to anything long term and I think provide better fits in each line up.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I imagine Gaudreau and Marner would play on separate lines

There's a good chance that Gaudreau leaves Calgary anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about what lines they play on considering this is an offseason deal.

 

[zar]

The Leafs better let Calgary negotiate the Tkachuk extension before the trade.