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Cale Makar- is there concerns that he is " injury prone"

UrbanImpact

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Tweaked something last night and left in the 3rd period. Doesnt seem serious.

However he Has battled injuries throughout his NHL career. Missed 22 games in 2022. Never played 82 games. Is it bad luck? the way he plays? his body?

Injuries range from: Concussion, Shoulder, Hip, Wrist, Groin, Ankle
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PaulD

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UrbanImpact said:
Tweaked something last night and left in the 3rd period. Doesnt seem serious.

However he Has battled injuries throughout his NHL career. Missed 22 games in 2022. Never played 82 games. Is it bad luck? the way he plays? his body?

Injuries range from: Concussion, Shoulder, Hip, Wrist, Groin, Ankle
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Sounds like a hockey player
Bergeron, Crosby, Barkov, Ekblad, Matthews, McDavid, Marchand, Messier, Markov, Subban, Letang, Eichel, Bossy, Big Buff , Yzerman, Clark, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Hughes, Stone, Stampkos, Forsberg, ...play hard and play long enough , and play a lot of play off games they rarely play full seasons. Doesn't make them necessarily "injury prone"
Play on the perimeters and you can avoid that for the most part.
But it does make what guys like Phil Kessel did all that more amazing when ya think about it. They don't refer to those few guys as Ironman for nothing.
 
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Goose

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Meh not really; a bit unlucky maybe.

Over the past 6 seasons he’s played 328 games which is absolutely fine, Josi has 358 and Quinn Hughes has 371, so yeah he’s missed a bit of time, but he also still leads all defensemen in scoring over that time period.

I’d be worried if he had a lingering back issue or something, seems just like a variety of stuff.
 
Figgy44

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Rowlet said:
Doesn't seem like there's one consistent nagging injury that's harming him. Likely just bad luck.

I remember people used to call Kevin Bieksa injury prone because he had his calf cut by a skate twice, leading to long recovery times.
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Agreed. But I wonder if it's also the team he's on. Don't quite a few of the Avs top players often miss some games? I'm not pointing purely at Landeskog. I haven't looked it up, but don't Mack and Rantanen often miss a few games here and there?

I wonder if it's potentially a system related thing. I wonder how Avs rank year to year vs other teams for man games lost. I read their injuries this season are already pretty dire?
 

SimpleJack

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Figgy44 said:
Agreed. But I wonder if it's also the team he's on. Don't quite a few of the Avs top players often miss some games? I'm not pointing purely at Landeskog. I haven't looked it up, but don't Mack and Rantanen often miss a few games here and there?

I wonder if it's potentially a system related thing. I wonder how Avs rank year to year vs other teams for man games lost. I read their injuries this season are already pretty dire?
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A system thing? How about a "hockey" thing. A "NHL" thing. All teams deal with injuries. Its not like the Avs play some system that gets their players hurt more often than other teams. Its just bad luck when it hits a certain team hard any given season. I mean if anything you'd think a more physical/hard hitting team full of bruisers and goons would be dealing with an injury problem based on their own making/choice of style of play. And thats definitely not the identity of this Avs team we're talking about here.
 

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Rowlet said:
Doesn't seem like there's one consistent nagging injury that's harming him. Likely just bad luck.

I remember people used to call Kevin Bieksa injury prone because he had his calf cut by a skate twice, leading to long recovery times.
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More likely his play style
 
lawrence

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Makar is often keyed on player that opposing teams target and aware of. What is normally a normal player, coaches will encourage their players "finish your hits when you see him on the ice" type of mentality.
 
Figgy44

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SimpleJack said:
A system thing? How about a "hockey" thing. A "NHL" thing. All teams deal with injuries. Its not like the Avs play some system that gets their players hurt more often than other teams. Its just bad luck when it hits a certain team hard any given season. I mean if anything you'd think a more physical/hard hitting team full of bruisers and goons would be dealing with an injury problem based on their own making/choice of style of play. And thats definitely not the identity of this Avs team we're talking about here.
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?? Yes injuries is a hockey thing, but the way your team plays also increases or decreases the potential severity of the injuries. I'm just wondering if the Avs are one of the fastest teams in the league, whether that contributes to some of their top players rarely playing a full season. Physical style of game isn't the only one that can become injury prone. Speed/rush styles of game is also potentially injury prone. Same as a system that relies heavily on shot blocking. A style mismatch where your team is being bodied, but you have little response also increases the chances your team gets injured.

Style of play definitely affects man games lost and potential severity of injury. Flames fans have seen this purely based on the injuries sustained and the ineffectiveness of certain players in certain systems. We've had 6 coaches in the last 8 seasons. I'm just wondering if the Avs are playing in a way that increases chances of injury. That's my guess due to Makar having had totally different types of injuries vs a specific nagging one.

The Flames played under Hartley and had higher man games lost due to the fact the system involves a lot of shot blocking. Thus players were missing games due to injuries relating to being hit by the puck. Canucks under Green were the same. Flames were one of the healthiest teams under Gulutzan. The Flames were pretty healthy under Sutter as well when playing a physical style of game.

EDIT: Most of the man games lost websites have stopped showing stats since several years ago. So I wasn't able to look it up.

Physicality style definitely can increase injuries if pitted against another physicality type team. But a Physicality type time playing a speed/skill type team can end up with less injuries and incur more injuries to the opposing team. Two speed type teams can injure each other with innocuous bumps while chasing the puck as it can cause players to end up flying into the boards at speed and/or physical injuries when constantly pushing their body to the max.
 
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Chips

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Not an ironman, but hasn't missed big chunks so I would say no.
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While he played most of last year, his offensive pace and especially defensive play fell off a cliff from pre injury to post injury. He was definitely just playing with the injury, looked a lot less mobile relative to what he’d done in previous years

He was pacing like 115 early-mid in the season (obviously would have dropped off either way, but look at his pace now. I think he could hit 100.) and had strong overall analytics. He was awful defensively later

I am kinda worried he’s injury prone but hopefully it’s just bad luck.
 
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