Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

[Sasha Orlov]

Lots of people still having trouble coping with this I see

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Yes, and the Sharks were god awful with Celebrini in the lineup. He didn't make a dent of a difference. Which is beside the point.

It is the exact point though. If Celebrini wasn't there but Hutson was they wouldn't have started him? Insane proposition lmao

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Lots of people still having trouble coping with this I see

There are various stages of grief and acceptance. Certain posters are still on stage 1. lol

 

[Junohockeyfan]

It is the exact point though. If Celebrini wasn't there but Hutson was they wouldn't have started him? Insane proposition lmao

Its beyond crazy. Its lunacy.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

The team literally iced the worst squad they could. They played Ruuta and Vlasic and Thrun not because they had to, but because it makes them worse. They could have given Dickinson a spot, or Cagnoni, or called up Mukhamadulin earlier, or not traded Walman or Ceci. The goal was last.

Except they didn't since they also played Celebrini and Smith. Because they wanted to let their elite, young, clearly NHL-ready players play. Like, say, Lane Hutson if he was there.

 

[TheBeard]

Yeah I always find it interesting when Bourque vs Lidstrom comparisons come up and wings fans act like Lidstrom soloed them to cup and crap all over Yzerman/Fedorov/Datsyuk/Shanahan and the incredible depth of those wings teams

Then Sakic vs Yzerman comparisons come up and they flip and act like Yzerman carried the wings solo


It's kinds comical how fanbases do that to inflate the resume of players in discussion

I don't quite think the Habs roster is quite on that level, but the willingness Habs fan will go to denigrate what Suzuki and Caufield and hell even Gallagher did this season is wild. I get it.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Except they didn't since they also played Celebrini and Smith. Because they wanted to let their elite, young, clearly NHL-ready players play. Like, say, Lane Hutson if he was there.

The fallacy in his argument is that he thinks Lane Hutson had a historic rookie season for a dman because of the supporting cast of the Habs who finished 17th in the league for goals.

Lane Hutson had a historic rookie season because he's god damn incredible.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Actually I was told the team around Hutson was not as strong as the Sharks, mostly from an offensive standpoint. There are literally arguments being made in the last couple of pages by Habs fans.

...and you can ignore those foolish arguements made by A COUPLE of overzealous Habs fans...the facts are that Hutson aided significantly a Habs team that was also terrible last year (5th worst in the NHL) to making the Playoffs this Season and he did it by making NHL history for a rookie defenseman...Celebrini, Wolf, Michkov all had phenomenal years and no one would seriously deny that...Hutson's season made history and that's one hell of an accomplishment and is why he's the Calder favorite...the rest of this is all speculation and trolling, tbh...

 

[TheBeard]

Except they didn't since they also played Celebrini and Smith. Because they wanted to let their elite, young, clearly NHL-ready players play. Like, say, Lane Hutson if he was there.

No, they gave both players the option, but the team and the fanbase needed a shot in the arm. Hutson wasn't going to put fans in the seats. The team has plenty of NHL-ready players not on the squad.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don't quite think the Habs roster is quite on that level, but the willingness Habs fan will go to denigrate what Suzuki and Caufield and hell even Gallagher did this season is wild. I get it.

Seems like you are the one denigrating Habs fans for saying things that were never said. LOL

Lane Hutson made all those players better players. But at no point were the Habs squad worse team than the Sharks. That's just insulting.

 

[Gerulaitis]

1. Hutson

T2. Celebrini, Michkoff

 

[Junohockeyfan]

No, they gave both players the option, but the team and the fanbase needed a shot in the arm. Hutson wasn't going to put fans in the seats. The team has plenty of NHL-ready players not on the squad.

But Lane Hutson is not only NHL-ready - he is a phenom. A special player. A rookie dman who tied NHL records in a historic season.

Saying he wouldn't have made the Sharks roster (or they would have left him off it) is the very definition of crazy.

 

[TheBeard]

...and you can ignore those foolish arguements made by A COUPLE of overzealous Habs fans...the facts are that Hutson aided significantly a Habs team that was also terrible last year (5th worst in the NHL) to making the Playoffs this Season and he did it by making NHL history for a rookie defenseman...Celebrini, Wolf, Michkov all had phenomenal years and no one would seriously deny that...Hutson's season made history and that's one hell of an accomplishment and is why he's the Calder favorite...the rest of this is all speculation and trolling, tbh...

I've already stated I think he's deserving of the Calder, but the thing that pushed him over the edge was the team around him. Hutson on the Sharks, we can all agree, would have had the same impact Celebrini had in terms of placement in the standings, no?

 

[TheBeard]

But Lane Hutson is not only NHL-ready - he is a phenom. A special player. A rookie dman who tied NHL records in a historic season.

Saying he wouldn't have made the Sharks roster (or they would have left him off it) is the very definition of crazy.

Oh god.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I've already stated I think he's deserving of the Calder, but the thing that pushed him over the edge was the team around him. Hutson on the Sharks, we can all agree, would have had the same impact Celebrini had in terms of placement in the standings, no?

The thing that pushed him over the edge was that he is a very special player. Period.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

No, they gave both players the option, but the team and the fanbase needed a shot in the arm. Hutson wasn't going to put fans in the seats. The team has plenty of NHL-ready players not on the squad.

You are delusional lmao. There's a difference between NHL-ready and in the upper echelon of players at their position. Hutson is the latter. It would be like them starting Celebrini in the AHL, an instantly fireable offense.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

Celebrini also led the Sharks to dead last in the league. Which in fairness - he met expectations.

Lane Hutson exceeded expectations after a historic season that catapulted Montreal into the playoffs. Montreal was expected to finish bottom 5 in the league when the season started. Lane was a huge part of changing that.

“Bottom 5” for the Habs last year was 76 points and 15 points out of a playoff spot. They were 24 points and 29 points clear of the Hawks and Sharks respectively. Closer to the playoffs than bottom 2. Yet people keep hanging on to the “bottom 5” language. They improved 15 points this year and squeaked into the playoffs in game 82. Solid improvement of 7.5 wins but not some historical feat.

 

[MoneyManny]

i understand most folks on here are older/east coast/canadians, but the truth must be told, regardless of whether the truth is inconvenient and/or uncomfortable to experience first hand on an obscure internet forum.

regarding the truth that celebrini -is- the calder favorite/de-facto winner aka victor,
"no, you simply lack the strength to wield the truth, your bodies would crumble as your minds collapsed into madness" appropriate video reference for the uninitiated and uncultured

here is the answer to the question you fail to even ask. for this truth challenges one's identity on a scale hitherto undreamt of:

CELEBRINI:

* the -kid- is ~2.5 years -younger- than hutson.
* has scored at a better PPG than hutson, on a worse team, sorry THE WORST team, a non-playoff team
* he plays a 200 foot game, wasn't there something about hutson being small and lacking in the important part of his actual position? oh, yes, defense, sorry
* oh, and he was the hobey baker winner while hutson was on the same team "that doesn't matter" it does, regardless of you saying/thinking/-clinging- to this.

there is more, but. we all know this pierces right to the core and can never be unheard again, nor can your mind ever return to the ridiculous notion that "muh hutson calder wannabe"

*Age is not a factor for the trophy

*He should have better ppg, he's a forward. It would be more than embarassing if he didn't, don't you agree? The only D in the top 20 points leaders this year is Makar. Your argument is dumb.

*Hutson plays a better 200 foot game than Celebrini, MUCH better. If you look around this thread there is plenty of evidence and number comparisons to support the claim. Litterally the only thing you're basing your argument on is Hutson's height and your perceived effect on defensive play. But then again Hutson plays D, it's expected.

*The Hobey Baker has absolutely no bearing on Calder votes and current season performance.

You thought about your comment and tried making several points in favor of Celebrini but litterally all of them are invalid. Isn't that proof enough! How deep are you gonna dig to try and make an argument?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

“Bottom 5” for the Habs last year was 76 points and 15 points out of a playoff spot. They were 24 points and 29 points clear of the Hawks and Sharks respectively. Closer to the playoffs than bottom 2. Yet people keep hanging on to the “bottom 5” language. They improved 15 points this year and squeaked into the playoffs in game 82. Solid improvement of 7.5 wins but not some historical feat.

The historical feat would be tying the record for assists by a rookie dman, not the getting into the playoffs part.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

“Bottom 5” for the Habs last year was 76 points and 15 points out of a playoff spot. They were 24 points and 29 points clear of the Hawks and Sharks respectively. Closer to the playoffs than bottom 2. Yet people keep hanging on to the “bottom 5” language. They improved 15 points this year and squeaked into the playoffs in game 82. Solid improvement of 7.5 wins but not some historical feat.

Bottom 5 was what the analysts predicted.

 

[TheBeard]

This is my bad. I forgot what Canadians fans are like. Sorry guys. Good luck in the playoffs.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I wonder who would have had more points if hockey was played on the moon? Or if the puck was the size of a basketball? Who would be the winner if the sport was soccer?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

This is my bad. I forgot what Canadians fans are like. Sorry guys. Good luck in the playoffs.

You forgot that we are factually accurate? Well welcome to the HFBoards buddy!


Good luck next year. Hopefully Celebrini can drive you to a 2nd worst place finish.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

This is my bad. I realized I don't actually have anything to back up my insane arguments so I'll just blame and misspell the name of the fanbase pointing that out. Sorry guys.

 

[StrawHatEklund]

Bottom 5 was what the analysts predicted.

So? It makes it seem like they were horror bad last season when they were closer to a playoff WC spot than to the bottom 2 and it wasn’t even remotely close.