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Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

It's very close, Celebrini is the better player but Hutson is having a better season. If Habs make the playoffs you have to give the Calder to Hutson, otherwise maybe Celebrini should win it.

And Wolf is great two but I think those other two are ahead.
 
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ole ole said:
Didn't you read ,Hutson wouldn't have made the NHL this season had he been playing on a bad team. Now that's criminal and hysterical at the same time.
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Hutson won't be able to keep this up. He's not used to the NHL, he's going to run out of gas soon. He's going to get destroyed in the playoffs, he's not built for it.
 
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Frank Drebin said:
This is a well thought out reply but i thought the tongue in cheek nature (triple h) of that post was pretty obvious.


I do think Cale makar is the best defenseman in the last 20 years yes that includes lidstroms prime and the tail end of bourques career
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I reread what he wrote and I must confess I didn't read past the 15 years is a generation and that Hutson was having a generational season. I inferred, incorrectly, that the poster was extending that to Hutson is a generational player. The eyes rolled to the back of my head and I responded without reading everything you wrote. My apologies.

Is it fair to say that he is having a generational season? It might be. 5 of the top 6 point totals were between 79-86. The highest scoring era in history, where there were virtually no defensive systems to speak of and the goalies wore no better than shin guards. Far cry from today, with disciplined defensive systems and goalies looking like they're going out to disarm explosive devices. The only other player near him from the approximate time period is Hughes, who but for Makar would be universally recognized as the best offensive defenceman in the league. The aforementioned Makar beats them both in a PPG over the course of the season (by a small fraction), but he is the best defenceman to enter the league since Lidstrom, I'd say.

You can't argue with the numbers. Unless you're a Leafs fan. But then again, they argue with the sun for being too bright.
 
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ps241 said:
You are right about Orr really breaking out when he was 20-21 but I was around and am old enough to remember Orr’s rookie season and he was unreal from day one. So much so that I was a kid from Saskatoon who became a Bruins fan because of watching him as a rookie. In that first season on a bad Bruins team he put up 41 points in 61 games but you have to remember the top scorer on the team that season was Bucyk with 47 points. Even as an 18 year old Orr would take the puck end to end and you just didn’t see that from D men back then let alone a rookie. Very different era but Orr changed the game.
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Wish I could have seen it. I was only around for the used-to-be-great one (I only started watching hockey in the mid-late 80's, so I didn't see peak peak Gretzky), and the Magnificent one. My god, watching Mario was unreal. the grace and finesse. Deceptive speed and the range. He knew where every one was on the ice. I remember in one of the games from the '02 Olympics, Mario was turned to the trailing right winger, who had the puck. The pass came to him, and while still looking at the passer, he lifted his blade about 1 foot before it would have touched so the puck would reach the streaking left winger (I want to say it was Iginla, but I really can't remember) for a tap in to a wide open net. Just incredible that he never looked to that side yet knew exactly how the goalie was positioned and where his support was.

I'm going to say it, I don't care if I get flamed. I feel sorry for people who 'only' got to see Crosby and McDavid play and think they're as good as it gets. While amazing players, they're still a notch below.
 
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I just read that a survey of NHL.com writers for Calder trophy give Hutson 80 points and Celebrini 53 points. Wolf will get 46 points ahead of 40 points for Michkov.
 
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Wish I could have seen it. I was only around for the used-to-be-great one (I only started watching hockey in the mid-late 80's, so I didn't see peak peak Gretzky), and the Magnificent one. My god, watching Mario was unreal. the grace and finesse. Deceptive speed and the range. He knew where every one was on the ice. I remember in one of the games from the '02 Olympics, Mario was turned to the trailing right winger, who had the puck. The pass came to him, and while still looking at the passer, he lifted his blade about 1 foot before it would have touched so the puck would reach the streaking left winger (I want to say it was Iginla, but I really can't remember) for a tap in to a wide open net. Just incredible that he never looked to that side yet knew exactly how the goalie was positioned and where his support was.

I'm going to say it, I don't care if I get flamed. I feel sorry for people who 'only' got to see Crosby and McDavid play and think they're as good as it gets. While amazing players, they're still a notch below.
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Getting older has its pluses and minuses but one of the big pluses is having been around to watch some of the greats in action during their primes.
 
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