Calder Watch : 2024-25 Season

Sharks have scored 30 less goals then the Habs. Almost entirely due to trading off their producing players. Sharks top 9 is outscoring the habs top 9. Members of our top six are at 33 points, which would be 8th on the sharks.
They score far fewer goals if Celebrini isn't on the team. Kid drives the offense. The Sharks are almost comically bad without him, the team is stocked 3 deep with worst-in-the-NHL level talent. Passing to Barclay Goodrow on the 3rd pairing would have resulted in disaster for Hutson. It is just not a situation where anyone is set up for success, that's why Celebrini's performance this season is so unbelievable and no one was expecting it. It takes a special player to shine at 18 years of age with this level of suckage all around.
 
It's an interesting narrative that celebrini has a weaker cast but it's not based on reality. Sharks forwards might actually be better than the Habs pre zetterlund trade.
It's so funny to specify forwards, especially when Canadiens fans are talking about Hutson being the entire driving force behind their team's offense. Perhaps "number one d-man Mario Ferraro" is suppressing the sharks offense a little bit?

One of the things that has made Celebrini's scoring output so impressive is that he is a great transition player but has no dmen that can make a pass, receive a pass, or in Jan Rutta's case hold on to a puck without falling for no reason.
 
It's so funny to specify forwards, especially when Canadiens fans are talking about Hutson being the entire driving force behind their team's offense. Perhaps "number one d-man Mario Ferraro" is suppressing the sharks offense a little bit?

One of the things that has made Celebrini's scoring output so impressive is that he is a great transition player but has no dmen that can make a pass, receive a pass, or in Jan Rutta's case hold on to a puck without falling for no reason.
He literally has to get the puck in the D zone and skate it into the O zone by himself. EVERY DAMN TIME HE IS ON THE ICE. Not even an exaggeration, as you know.
 
Sharks have scored 30 less goals then the Habs. Almost entirely due to trading off their producing players. Sharks top 9 is outscoring the habs top 9. Members of our top six are at 33 points, which would be 8th on the sharks.

Hutson is basically the difference between our teams goals scored. What the Habs are is significantly better defensivelyal and in net. Sharks are just getting shit canned way too often. The Habs were just as bad as the sharks when primeau was in net.

It's an interesting narrative that celebrini has a weaker cast but it's not based on reality. Sharks forwards might actually be better than the Habs pre zetterlund trade.

But I'm sure next week Demidov will be the excuse with his staggering two likely regular season games.
This is certainly a take.
 
You can't be serious lmao
no kidding. try let sharks fans save face a little bit with the reverse team thought exercise and they hit you with
"Im not sure Hutson hits 30 assists on the sharks" (Jake Wahlman had 26 assists in 52 games this season with the sharks)
and
"Hustson would have never made the sharks"

The silver lining is they should be able to use the horrible team crutch for a long, long time.
 
no kidding. try let sharks fans save face a little bit with the reverse team thought exercise and they hit you with
"Im not sure Hutson hits 30 assists on the sharks" (Jake Wahlman had 26 assists in 52 games this season with the sharks)
and
"Hustson would have never made the sharks"

The silver lining is they should be able to use the horrible team crutch for a long, long time.
Worst version of yourself coming out because one guy said something dumb.
 
Worst version of yourself coming out because one guy said something dumb.
fair. 2 guys though. And what pisses me of is what I originally said was pretty darn objective and decent.

Anyway apologies to you and whatever other decent sharks/celebrini fans out there. I’ll probably get banned/threadbanned soon
 
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no kidding. try let sharks fans save face a little bit with the reverse team thought exercise and they hit you with
"Im not sure Hutson hits 30 assists on the sharks" (Jake Wahlman had 26 assists in 52 games this season with the sharks)
and
"Hustson would have never made the sharks"

The silver lining is they should be able to use the horrible team crutch for a long, long time.
Walman had an early hot streak but was basically a 7th d-man in the 18 games he played after sitting out for an extended period with an injury, collecting a whopping 6 assists in those games. On a significantly more potent offense in Edmonton, he’s put up 7 assists in 15 games. Those 26 assists were an aberration from his norm.

Hutson probably wouldn’t have been up because Grier seemed to have very little interest in playing the kids on the blue line until injuries forced his hand. Mukhamadulin didn’t get called up until the last third of the season. Same with Cagnoni.

Going the route of personal attacks simply because people have opposing views you don’t like is certainly one way to try and win an argument.
 
Walman had an early hot streak but was basically a 7th d-man in the 18 games he played after sitting out for an extended period with an injury, collecting a whopping 6 assists in those games. On a significantly more potent offense in Edmonton, he’s put up 7 assists in 15 games. Those 26 assists were an aberration from his norm.

Hutson probably wouldn’t have been up because Grier seemed to have very little interest in playing the kids on the blue line until injuries forced his hand. Mukhamadulin didn’t get called up until the last third of the season. Same with Cagnoni.

Going the route of personal attacks simply because people have opposing views you don’t like is certainly one way to try and win an argument.
I honestly don’t care about mike griers boneheaded decisions in your made up scenario
 
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Walman had an early hot streak but was basically a 7th d-man in the 18 games he played after sitting out for an extended period with an injury, collecting a whopping 6 assists in those games. On a significantly more potent offense in Edmonton, he’s put up 7 assists in 15 games. Those 26 assists were an aberration from his norm.

Hutson probably wouldn’t have been up because Grier seemed to have very little interest in playing the kids on the blue line until injuries forced his hand. Mukhamadulin didn’t get called up until the last third of the season. Same with Cagnoni.

Going the route of personal attacks simply because people have opposing views you don’t like is certainly one way to try and win an argument.
Sharks fans know Hutson on the Sharks in place of Celebrini would have absolutely sucked. Sharks fans know how bad this team was most of this season outside of Celebrini and how badly an undersized offensive D playing on the 3rd pairing would have done. Sharks fans know what kind of opportunities he would -- and would not have -- gotten.

Habs fans can't fathom the level of suck, they think being near the bottom of the league the last few seasons gives them some kind of context. They have no idea. The Sharks fell through the bottom of the league and made f***ing history, it was in the discussion for worst team OF ALL TIME.

Nearly the entire team turned over since then and we're now relying on players that haven't even played a full season to be the offense. We are actively tanking again.
 
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Sharks fans know Hutson on the Sharks in place of Celebrini would have absolutely sucked. Sharks fans know how bad this team was most of this season outside of Celebrini and how badly an undersized offensive D playing on the 3rd pairing would have done. Sharks fans know what kind of opportunities he would -- and would not have -- gotten.

Habs fans can't fathom the level of suck, they think being near the bottom of the league the last few seasons gives them some kind of context. They have no idea. The Sharks fell through the bottom of the league and made f***ing history, it was in the discussion for worst team OF ALL TIME.

Nearly the entire team turned over since then and we're now relying on players that haven't even played a full season to be the offense. We are actively tanking again.
What the bloody hell are you talking about?
 
In terms of rookie defenseman seasons Hutson's likely having the best one in league history. Close to the record but Larry Murphy played in the highest scoring era with a 135 point center and two other 100+ point players on his team. For points % Hutson is the GOAT rookie season; absolutely deserving of the word generational for an individual season. It doesn't mean Hutson is generational, but he is arguably having the best rookie dman season in league history.

Since generations are only 15 years typically, and no one has been this good since the 80s, it's basically triple generational. I guess we can call him Triple H(utson). He is the game and he is that damn good. You know?
Generations, referring to family lineage, are typically 25 years. How many kids you see having kids of their own at 15? Was your grandmother 30 when you were born? I bet she's a total gilf.

Gretzky had 51 goals and 137 points in his rookie season. I don't give a shit what other people say about it being a rookie season or not, he was still 18. 104 points as 17 year old in the WHA. Even if it wasn't on par with the NHL, most aren't scoring that in Junior at his age. That's generational.

Bobby Orr's greatness didn't really display itself until his 4th season in the league (when he was 21), but I don't know enough about his rookie season to comment (player usage, injury, etc.). 45ish years after retirment, he's still 10 all time in points for a defenceman, 7th in goals, and 12th in assists. All while playing 400 games less than anyone close to him (the man on top has close to 1000 more games played). He has a 1.39 PPG. Next closest? The second leading scorer of all time, Paul Coffey, at 1.09. That's generational.

Mario Lemieux scored a ridiculous 282 points in his last year of junior (in fairness, it looks like they played shinny back then), and 100 points in his rookie campaign. I don't think I need to go on about the greatness that is Mario. That's generational.

Are my standards too high? Maybe. Perhaps there's a discussion for Sid or Ovie or McDavid. None of those, however, separated themselves from the pack like the holy trinity. You may make a case for Ovie just on his endurance and his continued excellence for so long.

Getting back to Hutson, he is dynamic and proving to be an exceptional offensive defenceman. And you never know, he may very well prove himself to be generational by the time is all said and done. He's just nowhere close to it now.

Getting back to the original premise, If you're looking at a true generation, then that's 3 in about 58 years (Orr broke in during the 66-67 season). Sounds about right. I don't know how old you are, but I still believe you never saw true greatness play if you're going to couple Hutson in with the the aforementioned. Most people around here think they come around every 2-3 years. Ridiculous.
 
That is not a hot take at all. He probably doesn't get left in the NHL to get destroyed every night.
This is what all the haters said would happen before the season started. It didn’t happen. But now it totally would have if if if…

You all just can’t let it go. Your fantasy scenario didn’t happen, but you’re trying so hard to hold onto it. Absolutely pathetic. Let it go; it’s dead. Hutson dominated the big, physical Cup champion Panthers in back to back games. This is the reality you live in. Get used to it 😂
 
Generations, referring to family lineage, are typically 25 years. How many kids you see having kids of their own at 15? Was your grandmother 30 when you were born? I bet she's a total gilf.

Gretzky had 51 goals and 137 points in his rookie season. I don't give a shit what other people say about it being a rookie season or not, he was still 18. 104 points as 17 year old in the WHA. Even if it wasn't on par with the NHL, most aren't scoring that in Junior at his age. That's generational.

Bobby Orr's greatness didn't really display itself until his 4th season in the league (when he was 21), but I don't know enough about his rookie season to comment (player usage, injury, etc.). 45ish years after retirment, he's still 10 all time in points for a defenceman, 7th in goals, and 12th in assists. All while playing 400 games less than anyone close to him (the man on top has close to 1000 more games played). He has a 1.39 PPG. Next closest? The second leading scorer of all time, Paul Coffey, at 1.09. That's generational.

Mario Lemieux scored a ridiculous 282 points in his last year of junior (in fairness, it looks like they played shinny back then), and 100 points in his rookie campaign. I don't think I need to go on about the greatness that is Mario. That's generational.

Are my standards too high? Maybe. Perhaps there's a discussion for Sid or Ovie or McDavid. None of those, however, separated themselves from the pack like the holy trinity. You may make a case for Ovie just on his endurance and his continued excellence for so long.

Getting back to Hutson, he is dynamic and proving to be an exceptional offensive defenceman. And you never know, he may very well prove himself to be generational by the time is all said and done. He's just nowhere close to it now.

Getting back to the original premise, If you're looking at a true generation, then that's 3 in about 58 years (Orr broke in during the 66-67 season). Sounds about right. I don't know how old you are, but I still believe you never saw true greatness play if you're going to couple Hutson in with the the aforementioned. Most people around here think they come around every 2-3 years. Ridiculous.
This is a well thought out reply but i thought the tongue in cheek nature (triple h) of that post was pretty obvious.


I do think Cale makar is the best defenseman in the last 20 years yes that includes lidstroms prime and the tail end of bourques career
 
In terms of rookie defenseman seasons Hutson's likely having the best one in league history. Close to the record but Larry Murphy played in the highest scoring era with a 135 point center and two other 100+ point players on his team. For points % Hutson is the GOAT rookie season; absolutely deserving of the word generational for an individual season. It doesn't mean Hutson is generational, but he is arguably having the best rookie dman season in league history.

Since generations are only 15 years typically, and no one has been this good since the 80s, it's basically triple generational. I guess we can call him Triple H(utson). He is the game and he is that damn good. You know?

He is having an excellent rookie season for a D man and might win the Calder but he is not having the “best” rookie season of a Defenseman in league history IMO.
 
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Generations, referring to family lineage, are typically 25 years. How many kids you see having kids of their own at 15? Was your grandmother 30 when you were born? I bet she's a total gilf.

Gretzky had 51 goals and 137 points in his rookie season. I don't give a shit what other people say about it being a rookie season or not, he was still 18. 104 points as 17 year old in the WHA. Even if it wasn't on par with the NHL, most aren't scoring that in Junior at his age. That's generational.

Bobby Orr's greatness didn't really display itself until his 4th season in the league (when he was 21), but I don't know enough about his rookie season to comment (player usage, injury, etc.). 45ish years after retirment, he's still 10 all time in points for a defenceman, 7th in goals, and 12th in assists. All while playing 400 games less than anyone close to him (the man on top has close to 1000 more games played). He has a 1.39 PPG. Next closest? The second leading scorer of all time, Paul Coffey, at 1.09. That's generational.

Mario Lemieux scored a ridiculous 282 points in his last year of junior (in fairness, it looks like they played shinny back then), and 100 points in his rookie campaign. I don't think I need to go on about the greatness that is Mario. That's generational.

Are my standards too high? Maybe. Perhaps there's a discussion for Sid or Ovie or McDavid. None of those, however, separated themselves from the pack like the holy trinity. You may make a case for Ovie just on his endurance and his continued excellence for so long.

Getting back to Hutson, he is dynamic and proving to be an exceptional offensive defenceman. And you never know, he may very well prove himself to be generational by the time is all said and done. He's just nowhere close to it now.

Getting back to the original premise, If you're looking at a true generation, then that's 3 in about 58 years (Orr broke in during the 66-67 season). Sounds about right. I don't know how old you are, but I still believe you never saw true greatness play if you're going to couple Hutson in with the the aforementioned. Most people around here think they come around every 2-3 years. Ridiculous.

You are right about Orr really breaking out when he was 20-21 but I was around and am old enough to remember Orr’s rookie season and he was unreal from day one. So much so that I was a kid from Saskatoon who became a Bruins fan because of watching him as a rookie. In that first season on a bad Bruins team he put up 41 points in 61 games but you have to remember the top scorer on the team that season was Bucyk with 47 points. Even as an 18 year old Orr would take the puck end to end and you just didn’t see that from D men back then let alone a rookie. Very different era but Orr changed the game.
 

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