"Alex Ovechkin has 550+ career goals in 12 seasons. Patrik Laine will be lucky to sniff half as many goals. 18 or not."
You missed the pro-tip, friend. You are being very non-pro.
Points per game is what separated the men from the boys in today's league
Kind of my point. You just said Laine was inferior despite Laine doing better than Matthews at the time
Laine was 56 for 56
He's slumped and is now at .90
Pro-tip. Laine isn't anywhere near as good as Ovechkin. Let's not try to reach here, thank you. He's a great player but one of the posters was comparing Laine to Ovechkin, which is foolish.
Pro-tip. Laine isn't anywhere near as good as Ovechkin. Let's not try to reach here, thank you. He's a great player but one of the posters was comparing Laine to Ovechkin, which is foolish. Carry on. Matthews vs. Laine!
I'm sorry man. Laine will most likely turn out better. I think he is already better this season as an 18yo or am I mistaken?
Although I have a feeling Laine is better than Ovechkin because of watching Ovechkin.
Guys look at his name....okay... now look at his number of post....this guy aint for real i have been explaining 3 pages that i was not comparing them as player it was only in even strength
Simple NUMBERS from their rookie seasons comparison and yet he continues saying im comparing them i have had enough
Here are the numbers if anyone is interested.
EVEN STRENGTH
Goals
Ovi 28
Laine 27
Points
Ovi 51
Laine 50
Games played
Ovi 81
Laine 71
PPG is a better way to tell us who's really producing more in a given game than simply looking at point totals, but why stop at PPG? Primary points production is an even better measure of repeatability of production. Don't think we should hold it against Matthews for having far fewer secondary assists, and even strength strength assists in general, while lugging around a winger like Hyman.
Anyways I admire the fans' enthusiasm for this comparison, although I have to say I'm more interested in who takes the #3 nomination for this award. Up in the air between 4 different guys IMO
I hope you like being disappointed. I don't think any sane fan would tell you that Laine is going to be better than Ovechkin. Regardless of Laine being 18. I wouldn't be surprised if this season ends up being the career highlight for the young Fin.
PPG is a better way to tell us who's really producing more in a given game than simply looking at point totals, but why stop at PPG? Primary points production is an even better measure of repeatability of production. Don't think we should hold it against Matthews for having far fewer secondary assists, and even strength strength assists in general, while lugging around a winger like Hyman.
Anyways I admire the fans' enthusiasm for this comparison, I'm more interested in who takes the #3 nomination for this award. Up in the air between 4 different guys IMO
Dude I've been fighting battles with Mario as the topic. Ovechkin is like punching babies, as their comparable 18yo numbers show.
Anything can of course happen, but the only real comparison you can make between players is when they were as close to the same situation as possible. In this case it is age. It would be great if it would be team too but that is not possible so we have to wing it at times.
But look at rookie Ovechkin, then look at Laine, then look at rookie Ovechkin. Then come tell me with a straight face Laine is not even close.
I hope you like being disappointed. I don't think any sane fan would tell you that Laine is going to be better than Ovechkin. Regardless of Laine being 18. I wouldn't be surprised if this season ends up being the career highlight for the young Fin.
And this is three or four years apart in age and development? Why is this comparison even relevant?
15/16 - Kessel 59pts in 82 games - Toews 58 in 80
14/15 - Kessel 61pts in 82 games - Toews 66 in 81
13/14 - Kessel 80pts in 82 games - Toews 68 in 76
12/13 - Kessel 52pts in 48 games - Toews 48 in 47
11/12 - Kessel 82pts in 82 games - Toews 57 in 59
Kessel .88 (man) Toews .86 (boy) for at least a 5 year stretch, right?
Points per game, for the win!
Or everyone goes through hot and cold streaks in a season and he's where he should be at this time, just like Matthews.
Happened to Matthews, happened to Laine and happens to most rookies. Consistency is one of the hardest things to adjust to in your first year and I think both have done a pretty good job still.
It highlights how crazy Laines season has been?
What I'm saying is that there is not any comparison to be had. Laine is so underwhelming a player. All he's good for is scoring goals. He's got one hell of a shot but the rest of his game is pedestrian. It's not noteworthy of comparison to Ovechkin. Ovechkin has highlights after highlights of pure domination. Laine has highlights of flipping a puck over a stick.
Also to note, for all the great goal scoring he's touted for. He's not even the best goal scorer of this rookie class. Auston Matthews takes that honor.
And do those stats have to do with rookie of the year? Nothing
Yupp I know is still at .90 tho
Which is pretty good for an 18 year old
....and yet you wonder why people compare numbers that you post side by side?
Hmmm. Seems like you're being suggestive but then scoff at the notion you'd ever do such a thing. You've done it repeatedly.
If you really want to learn more about hockey and it's players, watch hockey. Combing through stats is just filling your mind with subjective information.