wickedwitch
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Smith would be doing better (maybe not well, but better) if the Sharks could insulate him with enough talent. All of the other top rookie forwards have been put with better linemates.
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Gecklund
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That’s kind of what Celebrini’s injury has necessitated. Lines to start the season were
Eklund-Celebrini-Toffoli
Granlund-Smith-Zetterlund
But due to the sharks bottom 6 being all grit no skill guys when a top 6 player goes out there’s not much to replace him with except gritty vets or young guys.
Steve Kournianos
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Ok, lol. Nominal third line. Turned the game on and Smith had like three shifts in the second period last night. He gets a regular shift sporadically and was healthy scratched twice, including the other night.
But the point stands. Smith is clearly overmatched, especially physically.
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MichaelFarrell
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I encourage anybody interested to read the previous discussions on this thread from the summer. His slow start in the NHL was anticipated by the people that watched him in college. Personally, I did not feel he was ready for the NHL. But, being line mates with Goodrow and Dellandrea is certainly not helping.
My opinion of Smith at this point:
Smith has never been a guy that plays a super fast game. He is the type of playmaking center that will attempt to slow the game down with his stick handling and positional awareness in the offensive zone. This is a play style that is incredibly difficult to adapt quickly from the NCAA to the NHL. Smith was always going to have difficulty adapting to the size and speed of the game in the NHL, all 19 year olds do to some extent. But, his game will take time to translate.
Will Smith’s game is perfectly designed for playing with guys like Perreault and Leonard, honestly. Smiths game pretty much requires competent line mates. He is able to amplify the game of skilled players really well. I like Smith, but we probably won’t see what he can actually do for another 2 seasons.
My opinion of Smith at this point:
Smith has never been a guy that plays a super fast game. He is the type of playmaking center that will attempt to slow the game down with his stick handling and positional awareness in the offensive zone. This is a play style that is incredibly difficult to adapt quickly from the NCAA to the NHL. Smith was always going to have difficulty adapting to the size and speed of the game in the NHL, all 19 year olds do to some extent. But, his game will take time to translate.
Will Smith’s game is perfectly designed for playing with guys like Perreault and Leonard, honestly. Smiths game pretty much requires competent line mates. He is able to amplify the game of skilled players really well. I like Smith, but we probably won’t see what he can actually do for another 2 seasons.
wickedwitch
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Agreed.
He's been compared to Dylan Strome. That comparison was meant in a negative way (although, for the record, Strome has been the Caps best forward for a while), but there's some lessons to be learned from it.
1) Strome took a while to adapt to the NHL
2) Arguably, Strome's biggest strength is that you can put him on a line with great players and he'll not only look good himself, but make the great players on his line look better.
I wonder what would have happened had Strome been put on a line with good players from the beginning of his career. And I wonder what would happen if you give Smith good linemates now, regardless of whether he's "earned" them.
(Nobody on the Sharks is playing well enough to have "earned" good linemates.)
Gecklund
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“Nominal third line” aren’t all lines nominal?
We all know hes struggling but I wouldn’t say he’s overmatched. It’s 7 games. Give it time.
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As @Gecklund said, the lines to start the year made a lot more sense to play into Smith's strengths and help him succeed. Granlund-Smith-Zetterlund-or-whoever allows him to play with a player who can drive play and he can play off of.
He's not getting PK time and he's on PP2 so with how many penalties the Sharks are taking, it really hinders his ice time. It's not a targeting by Warsofsky.
As has been stated many times, the scratches are a Carlsson-esque development plan and Celebrini would have been following the same without his injury, so people should stop mentioning the scratches.
What you said is true - he's overmatched physically and he's overthinking everything and gripping the stick now. Just like last year, he needs to move his feet more without the puck. That said, for those of us that have watched every shift, he has had or created at least 7-10 high danger chances and if 1-4 of those go in, the panic and "dunk on him /Grier" levels would be lower. We'd still be talking about a slow start and @MichaelFarrell point that many of us said and expected would still be true - he's going to take seasons, not games, to adapt to the NHL.
It certainly doesn't look great with how Michkov (or Carlsson) is playing but my Christmas Wish is that Michkov conversations stay in Michkov threads or at least in the freaking eastern conference. I know I'm not going to get my wish because I'm a bad little boy who's on the naughty list.
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Good to see him smiling again and able to build some confidence.
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Steve Kournianos
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Ok so you and the post now have something in common.
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I think he’s an NHL’er this year. But the Sharks are terrible, which can’t help him. Might’ve been easier to play as like a sheltered third pair winger on a slightly better team this year.
Sending him to the World Juniors in December to break up the length of the NHL season makes sense to me.
Sending him to the World Juniors in December to break up the length of the NHL season makes sense to me.
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He looked lost at the start of his college year, looked small, slow, outmatched. He's looked lost until last night in the NHL also. I think this is him, he jumps in the deep end without floaties and almost drowns, but he figures it out and within a few weeks or months he's swimming like there was never a doubt.
The first goal was something, not a lot of NHL snipers stopping pucks on the back hand and flicking them top shelf in one motion like that. That was an elite flick.
The first goal was something, not a lot of NHL snipers stopping pucks on the back hand and flicking them top shelf in one motion like that. That was an elite flick.
Michkov with 3 straight goose eggs since this comment0 points in 7 yikes... Michkov was available
Edit: now 4 straight lol
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CaptainShark
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Strong overall performance through 2 periods so far tonight, looking more and more comfortable.
Got his 1st career assist just after the end of a PP and it was a beauty.
Got his 1st career assist just after the end of a PP and it was a beauty.
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Stewie Griffin
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They just need to get him better linemates...Luke Kunin is one of the worst finishers in the league and Barclay Goodrow is...Goodrow.
I understand he needs to earn that, but it's hard to do so playing with 4th liners like that as a skilled guy.
I understand he needs to earn that, but it's hard to do so playing with 4th liners like that as a skilled guy.
Makoshark
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Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Having two top lines of Eklund-Celebrini and Hagens/Martone/Misa-Smith would be unreal.
