C Sacha Boisvert - Univ. of North Dakota, NCAA (2024, 18th, CHI)

[MHO]

Coaches leave to move on up. It’s usually not after spending a year or two at the university either.

I’m talking about players who choose a school and then think they can bully the school into submission with the threat of leaving to a lateral move if they don’t play the second they step on campus. This is not what college sports once was. The current product is a shadow of what the prior product was, and a large part of that is the ridiculous transfer portal.

I think it's somewhat on the coach to communicate why a player might not be playing and make the player feel like it's in their best interested to stay long term. If a player is dangling a lateral move in exchange for playing time, that requires that another school would be willing to give it to them and the coach likely did a poor job of explaining why the player isn't getting ice time either before the player reaches campus or once they arrive.

Now that players can transfer, I think coaches should be more honest when recruiting what the plan is. So the player can have real expectations when arriving on campus as opposed to coaches painting some rosy picture to get them to sign and then not live up to what they promised.

 

[wetcoast]

Coaches leave to move on up. It’s usually not after spending a year or two at the university either.

I’m talking about players who choose a school and then think they can bully the school into submission with the threat of leaving to a lateral move if they don’t play the second they step on campus. This is not what college sports once was. The current product is a shadow of what the prior product was, and a large part of that is the ridiculous transfer portal.

In both situations, coaches and players are doing what they feel is best for their personal situations and most of us on these boards do the same thing in real life but somehow we don't want to extend that basic right to young hockey players?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The right place is somewhere between completely restrictive and the Wild West. Not sure how to get there though, since it's likely a complicated legal matter.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

In both situations, coaches and players are doing what they feel is best for their personal situations and most of us on these boards do the same thing in real life but somehow we don't want to extend that basic right to young hockey players?

You make it seem so innocent, but unfortunately it’s usually a teenager who isn’t as good as he thinks he is not being better than those in front of him and instead of working hard and improving to move up in the lineup they farm out to whoever will meet their playing time demands.

If this is what we want, why isn’t the NHL and other pro leagues like that where you can just transfer to whatever team you want? I think there’s something for continuity and sticking with a project when you start it. The NCAA had rules surrounding this and only recently lifted them.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You make it seem so innocent, but unfortunately it’s usually a teenager who isn’t as good as he thinks he is not being better than those in front of him and instead of working hard and improving to move up in the lineup they farm out to whoever will meet their playing time demands.

If this is what we want, why isn’t the NHL and other pro leagues like that where you can just transfer to whatever team you want? I think there’s something for continuity and sticking with a project when you start it. The NCAA had rules surrounding this and only recently lifted them.

Because pros have contracts, and college players don't. Maybe that'll be the change, where recruits will have to sign "contracts" for 2 or 3 years. This whole situation is still new to everybody and will ultimately be different than it is now.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

If this is what we want, why isn’t the NHL and other pro leagues like that where you can just transfer to whatever team you want?

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[Pavel Buchnevich]

Because pros have contracts, and college players don't. Maybe that'll be the change, where recruits will have to sign "contracts" for 2 or 3 years. This whole situation is still new to everybody and will ultimately be different than it is now.

Soccer/Football has contracts and employs roughly that type of transfer policy.

There are different models. I don’t think it’s unworkable to have players move wherever and whenever if you put contracts into the mix.

The NCAA had more stringent rules in the past. They’ve decided to make college sports “the Wild West” as you called it where rules don’t really exist anymore.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Soccer/Football has contracts and employs roughly that type of transfer policy.

There are different models. I don’t think it’s unworkable to have players move wherever and whenever if you put contracts into the mix.

The NCAA had more stringent rules in the past. They’ve decided to make college sports “the Wild West” as you called it where rules don’t really exist anymore.

The old transfer rules with the sit-out needed to go years ago. You should never have had to lose a year of your life just because you want to change schools. It's the no sit-out plus the NIL stuff that has blown things up. But of course, it's football and basketball that run the show, so whatever they decide will end up trickling down.

 

[Captain Clutch]

The NCAA, over a long period of time, became a giant bureaucracy which ended up not even being accountable to the member universities it supposedly served. I could go on forever about what a heartless, unfair place it was but the end result was that the athletes sued it for unfair labor practices and won. That's an oversimplification but is basically true. Universities, using the NCAA as cover, were effectively preventing workers from earning market driven wages to preserve a status quo that was inherently unfair.

I don't know why Boisvert chose to leave UND, I suspect no one on this board has any clue either. Maximizing his own value by choosing to transfer is a really good thing for these athletes to be able to do, and while I'm nostalgic for the past in some ways, god bless these kids for being able to exercise the right to change their minds for any reason they want and not have the NCAA or some petty, vindictive tyrant of a coach prevent them from doing so, for any reason.

Boisvert had a really nice rookie season in college and I suspect would be welcome at any program in the nation. Hopefully, he's moving because someone is willing to pay him a larger pile of money to be somewhere else because he may never earn a dime in the pros.

 

[wetcoast]

You make it seem so innocent, but unfortunately it’s usually a teenager who isn’t as good as he thinks he is not being better than those in front of him and instead of working hard and improving to move up in the lineup they farm out to whoever will meet their playing time demands.

Innocence has left the barn in college sports many decades ago with Big money coming in and being paid to coaches in other sports and graduates in the 70s being unable to even read and write properly having degrees.

If this is what we want, why isn’t the NHL and other pro leagues like that where you can just transfer to whatever team you want? I think there’s something for continuity and sticking with a project when you start it. The NCAA had rules surrounding this and only recently lifted them.

Pro leagues have a contract and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement so I wouldn't really compare the 2 and all of this is an off season portal not an in season demanding a trade or transfer so I really don't have any problems with it.

But if you really wanted it your way with the new rules those players could always leave for the CHL, we'd love to have them.

 

[Boonk]

Innocence has left the barn in college sports many decades ago with Big money coming in and being paid to coaches in other sports and graduates in the 70s being unable to even read and write properly having degrees.

Pro leagues have a contract and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement so I wouldn't really compare the 2 and all of this is an off season portal not an in season demanding a trade or transfer so I really don't have any problems with it.

But if you really wanted it your way with the new rules those players could always leave for the CHL, we'd love to have them.

On top of that, regular civilian students transfer between educational institutions all the time for various reasons. The concept of a D1 student athlete using a transfer tool for educational and athletic reasons to go to another college/university shouldn't really be shocking or outrageous to any person but here on HFBoards its some peoples obligation to be outraged lol.

 

[Bonin21]

I don't know why Boisvert chose to leave UND, I suspect no one on this board has any clue either.

Wrong. College hockey is a small world, word gets around. His yearly NIL payment was increased by almost 10x moving from UND to BU. Talking 200K+

 

[pvr]

I have no problem with the athletes getting their money. Most never make the pros.

However, I believe that if they’re taking NIL money, they should be ineligible for a scholarship, as technically they’re professionals. That money should be redirected to non-athlete students.

 

[covfefe]

Wrong. College hockey is a small world, word gets around. His yearly NIL payment was increased by almost 10x moving from UND to BU. Talking 200K+

Does Boisvert have a green card?