Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

[Mr grumpy]

okay.....

 

[Three On Zero]

You, nor anyone else here have any specific idea of the nature of their work relationship. Maybe they pranked each other regularly - and if so, this might not have seemed like out of the ordinary behaviour. If that was true, then it's even a bigger abuse of the trust they had together as professionals. But, I'm just speculating.

Anyways there's more than enough speculation floating around in this thread, by men who don't understand social power dynamics. Would love to know more women's takes because it's actually relevant, but understand if they don't want to get into it either.

Props to the female employee for speaking up at all and (I assume) having some internal support enough for her claim not to be immediately swept under the rug by management or ownership. Maybe the Rangers have some redeemable qualities somewhere as an organization.

There is no record of the woman reporting the incident to law enforcement. She also did not immediately alert the team. But about three months after the alleged sexual assault, she informed the team as part of an investigation into a separate incident. The team learned that the woman, whose anxiety around airplane travel was well known among team members, had shared her anti-anxiety medicine with a player who had the same issue. She was placed on paid leave pending the outcome of that investigation.

The female employee felt she was treated unfairly, according to team sources, and she then informed the team about the alleged assault.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Why does it always turn into the same crap?
Saying she should have been taught to see potential dangerous situations better is not defending Panarin's actions.
Its always the same virtue signaling shit. Well you don't scream louder than me that this is the worst thing ever, so that makes me the better person!!!!

how the absolute HELL do you know what she was or wasn't taught?

A man in power sexually assaulted a woman. Period. There is no "well actually!" that needs to go into this. She did nothing wrong, he did. Period. The end.

the fact that someone even has to tell you this is a huge f***ing red flag tbh

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

If you don't think a man taking a woman's phone and then telling her "Come get it from my room later" signals what he's going for, there's something wrong with you.

Specifically in the common sense department...

You’re the personification of human perceptional bias.

You “know” the situation based on three sentences. Or at least you think you do. No one actually “knows” the extent of the relationship between the offender and the victim or the perceived nature of Panarin nabbing the phone.

I’m a married man but have female friends. If I took one of their phones and told them they had to come to my house to retrieve it, they’d likely call me an idiot, asshole, etc…but they should then expect that I may sexually assault them? That’s insane.

 

[Laus723]

right, exactly. So why the f*** did you even bring it up other than to "WELL ACTUALLY!!" the situation?

ghoul

I didn't, someone else did and you lost your shit and think someone who says, "no, they're right and hope my loved on would be smart enough" is awful? A ghoul actually which is pathetic, what do you call actual ghouls?

Pointing other options isn't dinging this person at all. Period. She trusted him and that trust was abused, which is why the other options need to be explored by others in the future, which is how I took the comment. There's a lesson to be learned is the point I'm making...or, others will find themselves in a similar situation, as I've noted.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Have you? Who specifically defended Panarin here?

Not one single person. Try again.

Everyone downplaying the situation or blaming the victim is doing the same thing as defending Panarin, just in different words. Hope this helps.

 

[Herregud]

Wow so now we have posters (coincidentally the ones pointing to what the woman should have done differently) straight up making jokes about the situation.

This is one depressing thread.

If you stop expecting things of hockey bros (fans or players), you can never be disappointed by hockey bros. I haven't been disappointed in a long, long time.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Yikes man

 

[1989]

There is no record of the woman reporting the incident to law enforcement. She also did not immediately alert the team. But about three months after the alleged sexual assault, she informed the team as part of an investigation into a separate incident. The team learned that the woman, whose anxiety around airplane travel was well known among team members, had shared her anti-anxiety medicine with a player who had the same issue. She was placed on paid leave pending the outcome of that investigation.

The female employee felt she was treated unfairly, according to team sources, and she then informed the team about the alleged assault.

Interesting details for sure, thanks for the additional context.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

how the absolute HELL do you know what she was or wasn't taught?

A man in power sexually assaulted a woman. Period. There is no "well actually!" that needs to go into this. She did nothing wrong, he did. Period. The end.

the fact that someone even has to tell you this is a huge f***ing red flag tbh

Dude, there are endless situations where a person does nothing wrong and gets hurt, Helping a person avoid bad situations is a plus, I don't give a crap if you think its victim blaming. At the end of the day all I care about is less people getting assaulted.

 

[islandersbob]

I feel it is different. This isn't some random guy at a bar. This is a coworker she had a good relationship with. Not just a coworker, but an incredibly famous athlete known by everyone and with a reputation for being a good guy (see the media award tweet earlier this thread).

Completely unacceptable and not fair to blame the woman in any way. "But I am saying it wasn't smart to" enough. If a woman can't trust Panarin in this situation of being in a high profile role and working with him for years, then what?

An adult stealing another persons phone and then saying the only way to get it back is to come to my hotel room is creepy AF.
Even "joking" with a teammate doing something like this is f'n creepy. An action that is obviously creepy needs to be met with extreme caution.

 

[Laus723]

You’re the personification of human perceptional bias.

You “know” the situation based on three sentences. Or at least you think you do. No one actually “knows” the extent of the relationship between the offender and the victim or the perceived nature of Panarin nabbing the phone.

I’m a married man but have female friends. If I took one of their phones and told them they had to come to my house to retrieve it, they’d likely call me an idiot, asshole, etc…but they should then expect that I may sexually assault them? That’s insane.

My wife would punch me square in the face if I took a female friend's phone and told them they needed to retrieve it from my house. She would demand I give any reason other than I at least had hopes something would happen. And I can't think of a single female friend who wouldn't call my wife and tell her I had their phone and for some reason wanted them to come to our house to get it. I didn't find it, I took it and held it for ransom. The abuse of trust has already begun.

 

[thebestnic]

Off my keeper league he goes. Disgusting

 

[RussianGuyovich]

An adult stealing another persons phone and then saying the only way to get it back is to come to my hotel room is creepy AF.
Even "joking" with a teammate doing something like this is f'n creepy. An action that is obviously creepy needs to be met with extreme caution.

ah so you are the arbiter of the definition of "extreme caution" and also with the benefit of hindsight. what a brave post.

 

[phrenssoa]

No reasonable person should expect to have their phone stolen by a co-worker as collateral to come to his room for sex.

That's where the sirens should've started going off.

Sure, but even then, no reasonable person should expect to end up being pinned down on a bed in that situation.

 

[Laus723]

I feel it is different. This isn't some random guy at a bar. This is a coworker she had a good relationship with. Not just a coworker, but an incredibly famous athlete known by everyone and with a reputation for being a good guy (see the media award tweet earlier this thread).

Completely unacceptable and not fair to blame the woman in any way. "But I am saying it wasn't smart to" enough. If a woman can't trust Panarin in this situation of being in a high profile role and working with him for years, then what?

The unfortunate reality is, the abuse of trust began when her phone was held for ransom.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You’re the personification of human perceptional bias.

You “know” the situation based on three sentences. Or at least you think you do. No one actually “knows” the extent of the relationship between the offender and the victim or the perceived nature of Panarin nabbing the phone.

I’m a married man but have female friends. If I took one of their phones and told them they had to come to my house to retrieve it, they’d likely call me an idiot, asshole, etc…but they should then expect that I may sexually assault them? That’s insane.

The answer to your question is yes.

There's zero reason you do that for anything other than bait for sex. The answer to your question is right here:

The unfortunate reality is, the abuse of trust began when her phone was held for ransom.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

My wife would punch me square in the face if I took a female friend's phone and told them they needed to retrieve it from my house. She would demand I give any reason other than I at least had hopes something would happen. And I can't think of a single female friend who wouldn't call my wife and tell her I had their phone and for some reason wanted them to come to our house to get it. I didn't find it, I took it and held it for ransom. The abuse of trust has already begun.

your anecdotal made-up situation is in no way comparable. its a power issue.

 

[BonMorrison]

The same posters in here being like "why would she trust him!?" are the same posters who would also be like "sickening that women don't trust men."

 

[1989]

CUT THE PERSONAL JABS OR EXPECT A MESSAGE FROM TROLL STOMPER

Troll Stomper 2025, they've got my vote.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Off my keeper league he goes. Disgusting

I saw a post saying she may have been a scorned employee. That is adding another layer.
Also why is it saying sexual assault? did something sexual happen? All I'm seeing is confinement

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Gross. And a cheater on top of it all.

 

[Three On Zero]

Interesting details for sure, thanks for the additional context.

Think in general we are missing a lot of information to what happened.

(And no I’m not trying to defend Panarin, it just seems like we are only getting a fraction of what transpired that night)

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

My wife would punch me square in the face if I took a female friend's phone and told them they needed to retrieve it from my house. She would demand I give any reason other than I at least had hopes something would happen. And I can't think of a single female friend who wouldn't call my wife and tell her I had their phone and for some reason wanted them to come to our house to get it. I didn't find it, I took it and held it for ransom. The abuse of trust has already begun.

Okay, how about if you didn’t have a wife that was in contact with your female friends?

Panarin is known as a good natured guy. Perhaps he’s played 20 stupid pranks on this woman before. None of which resulted in assault.

But of course this is just more conjecture on information we don’t have. And of course you seemingly have all the information you need to judge the woman’s actions already.

Seriously, you’re just overinflating your own knowledge. To the point where it’s just automatic and “common sense” in your mind. It’s this exact mentality that allows propaganda to flourish. Along, of course, with victim blaming.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

The same posters in here being like "why would she trust him!?" are the same posters who would also be like "sickening that women don't trust men."

I get the sentiment, but this is the hotel version of the free candy van