If Marner has the same career I would be rather disappointed. Lots of jumping down to the AHL to start and nor a massive regular season impact.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=16000
C/RW Mitch Marner (2015, 4th, TOR) VII
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If Marner has the same career I would be rather disappointed. Lots of jumping down to the AHL to start and nor a massive regular season impact.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=16000
Almost 700 career points, averaged 60+ during prime with a 95 point season and a great playoff resume? Not something anyone should be disappointed in unless their name is McDavid.
Love how rival fans come in here and find examples of players like Gagner and Briere and tell everyone how great a career they had. Gagner is garbage. Briere was given up on waivers and then returned to have a good stretch but not anything you are going to go ape over.
Marner projects to be better -- way better. Comparisons to Gagner are laughable. Marner's accomplishments already dwarf his. He has also had a much better junior career than Briere. When was Briere named OHL MVP, Playoff MVP, CHL MVP, Memorial Cup MVP? He never had any similar honors in the Q.
Briere scored 30 goals 5 times, 20 goals 7 times and had 95 point, 72 point and multiple 60+ point seasons...
He was one of the most clutch playoff performers of his time and had dominant years with the Sabres. He also played with a competitive edge like Marner does.
A Briere-like career would be brilliant. You're probably too young to appreciate the player he was, or your expectations are stupid high.
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Thats what I've always thought watching him both live and on TV. I sometimes wonder if all the fancy stuff he tries to pull will translate to the NHL. Hes going to have a bigger adjustment period than most Leaf fans will care to admit I think but in the end will be a stud
Briere had 4 seasons of being over or very close to a point per game at his peak. When he was the captain of that Buffalo team he was a borderline superstar. Anyone disappointed with him turning into Briere is a little out to lunch.
Could he be better? Yep he has that potential, but no matter the junior career no prospect is guaranteed to be the captain of a top NHL team, all star and arguably best playoff guy in the league until he proves it either
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he for sure has the potential to be better.. But you wont see me complaining about a briere esk career, especially if he replicates Brieres playoff success
I just don't see how anyone with a clear head can be upset if Marner has that kind of career. He's a tremendous talent, but nothing is ever guaranteed.
And this has nothing to do with being a "hater" as some would surely see it. I was hoping for Marner at the start of 2015 when most Leafs fans were hoping for Strome or Barzal, and my opinion of him has only gotten better since then. But I'm not going to look at his Junior accomplishments and see it as a sign that he is a guaranteed clone of Kane. Corey Locke and Alan McCauley both had sensational junior careers and didn't do much in the bigs.
I sure hope Marner is the next hundred point winger. But if he tops out as a 65 point guy with real solid post season performances like Briere, I'd be thrilled.
And this has nothing to do with being a "hater" as some would surely see it. I was hoping for Marner at the start of 2015 when most Leafs fans were hoping for Strome or Barzal, and my opinion of him has only gotten better since then. But I'm not going to look at his Junior accomplishments and see it as a sign that he is a guaranteed clone of Kane. Corey Locke and Alan McCauley both had sensational junior careers and didn't do much in the bigs.
I sure hope Marner is the next hundred point winger. But if he tops out as a 65 point guy with real solid post season performances like Briere, I'd be thrilled.
Find Briere a grittier less pretty player.
Not sure Marner becomes a Kane like a few people expect... But more offensive skills than Briere.
Not sure Marner becomes a Kane like a few people expect... But more offensive skills than Briere.
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Regarding Briere, he had a very good career. No, he didnt make an instant impact. He still was a very good, skilled 1st line player that did even better in the playoffs. As for his junior career, Briere scored 163 points in his draft year. The next highest on his team had 111 points. He also averaged 3 ppg in the playoffs that year. He scored 416 points in his junior career averaging 2.1 ppg over 198 games. As for hardware - as if it guarantees future star status - Briere lost out to Christian Dube for CHL player of the year. The year before that the winner was David Ling. The year after, Alyn MaCauley.
Happy for the Leafs, Marner looks legit.
But take it from an Oilers fan: you need much more than a bunch of 'golden boys' to compete in the league. Hope you're shoring up your D and G in development systems, focus on 2-way Cs that can compete.
But take it from an Oilers fan: you need much more than a bunch of 'golden boys' to compete in the league. Hope you're shoring up your D and G in development systems, focus on 2-way Cs that can compete.
I never once mentioned Gagner. Marner will likely be twice the player Gagner ever was. Please see below why a Briere like career should never be considered a disappointment.
Ps: Briere scored 160+ pts in his draft year btw.
You're getting way too ahead of yourself if you think being compared to Briere is a bad thing. Or you're just too young to know how good he was in his prime.
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If he was Briere, I'd be perfectly happy. I'd hope and expect for a faster start to his NHL career though.
Which is fair. I'd be shocked if Marner ever saw AHL time. Unfortunately for Briere, he was playing in a time where small=bad.
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If he doesn't impress too much in his 9 games to start next season, I could see him going down on a conditioning stint before he's reevaluated, I can't see him spending anything more than that down there though.
Please don't quote a stat line 20 years ago to compare to a player now.
To be fair id be fine if Marner turned out to have a briere career, a tiny bit disappointed due to the hype though, but a 0.71 ppg guy is pretty damn good.
Can they do that? I always thought a conditioning stint had to have an injury involved? Never paid much attention to that rule though so I'm probably wrong.
Regardless of when it was done, he still led the Q in goals, assists and points (by almost 20) in his draft year. Briere had an incredible Junior career as well.
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No you won't. Briere didn't become a full time NHL player until he was 23. If Marner takes that long he'll be run out of town. Luckily... it's not going to happen.
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I don't think it's easy to do that unless the player's actually been injured. Didn't another team try to do that fairly recently with a younger player and get denied? I want to say it was Buffalo with Grigorenko, but I may not have that right.
It's difficult to imagine it happening, unless he ends up with some severe injury problem that derails his career. He isn't AHL-eligible until '17/18...and barring some unforeseen event, I can't imagine him not being an NHL regular at that point (and, I expect, a fairly good one).
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Well Bernier went on one last season and he didn't have any sort of injury IIRC.
It's no surprise that Briere truly established himself as a superstar once all the clutching, hooking and mugging went away. Granted his peak wasn't very long but had the NHL implemented the rule changes earlier he would have more years where he would have dominated.
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All leafs fans realize that we're not anywhere near done this rebuild. We're stacked up front and have some nice defensive prospects but have arguably the worst goaltending depth in the league. I know everyone loves BPA but the Leafs really need to roll the dice on some goaltending this draft. We have a plethora of picks, which gives you the luxury of drafting for need as far as I see it. After Matthews we really need to go heavy on D and goaltending.
I think people are talking about the consistent 60+ point prime. The league Briere started in revolved around big guys grappling onto each other. Mucheck harder for a tiny guy like Briere to break through then.
If they are talking about the same path (nhl reg at 23), then yeah that would be disappointing for Marner and he probably wouldn't be a Leaf anymore.
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