C Nico Hischier - Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL (2017, 1st, NJD) II

[Gsus]

His draft +1 season was insane and he put up identical numbers this year despite injuries and losing Hawryluk, Quenneville and Provorov. The only other ppg forward was 20 year old Reid Duke, whose ppg was much lower.

Patrick is also a guarantee to be a center, while Nico may be a wing at the next level.

This is why I hope NJ takes Patrick

Well that would be good, both get what they want.

 

[Larry44]

Imports need to play a whole year in the CHL before being traded so it is most likely impossible he ends up in Halifax. And Mooseheads will have pick #11 in the Import Draft. They can add an impact player with that pick without spending assets.

Did not know that, clearly. Thanks for the info.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Is the general feeling that Hischier has a higher offensive upside than Patrick, but maybe a smaller chance of realizing it?

That's the vibe I'm getting, but there doesn't seem to be total consensus on who should go first.

 

[KovalSNIPE]

My gut says we'll pick Hischier. He is just such a dynamic offensive player that we desperately need in our organization. I'm comfortable with a center depth of Zacha, Rico, and McLeod with Zajac mentoring for a long time.

 

[Constable]

My gut says we'll pick Hischier. He is just such a dynamic offensive player that we desperately need in our organization. I'm comfortable with a center depth of Zacha, Rico, and McLeod with Zajac mentoring for a long time.

that's good that the team with the 1st overall pick drafts the bpa

 

[TimeZone]

I think the Devils gotta take Hischier. He's definitely the more skilled player here, and New Jersey needs top end talent.

 

[Sasso09]

In my opinion - no.

Hischier may have the more complete game, but he doesn't show the gamebreaking offensive skills that Huberdeau had.

Huberdeau would surely have been drafted after Hischier in the same draft. Hischier has more offensive talent than Huberdeau had. And he did just as much offensively with far less help.

Hischier is on a team with no future NHL players, only one was even drafted and he was drafted in the high rounds.

Huberdeau had Beaulieu, Depres, Jurco, 1st round pick Zack Phillips, and a few others drafted. It's no coincidence that Huberdeau went from 1.9 PPG his draft year down to 1.5 in his draft + year when he lost Depres, Beaulieu and Jurco.

 

[TimeZone]

Huberdeau would surely have been drafted after Hischier in the same draft. Hischier has more offensive talent than Huberdeau had. And he did just as much offensively with far less help

Yea, I've watched them both play live on a couple occasions and Nico was definitely more impressive to my eyes. Much more explosive skater, and incredible defensively. Very smart player.

 

[goonybird]

I love that the 'Huberdeau is a product of Zack Phillips and Tomas Jurco' meme is still alive and well

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

Saint Johns in 2010-2011 had 7 players score > 41 pts.

Halifax this year had 2 players.

The drop off from Hischier to the next highest scoring player was 86 pts to 41.

 

[goonybird]

Huberdeau would surely have been drafted after Hischier in the same draft. Hischier has more offensive talent than Huberdeau had. And he did just as much offensively with far less help.

Hischier is on a team with no future NHL players, only one was even drafted and he was drafted in the high rounds.

Huberdeau had Beaulieu, Depres, Jurco, 1st round pick Zack Phillips, and a few others drafted. It's no coincidence that Huberdeau went from 1.9 PPG his draft year down to 1.5 in his draft + year when he lost Depres, Beaulieu and Jurco.

it went from 1.5 draft year to 1.9 after draft year when Depres left. But I mean, his team got insanely bad in his final season and it should shock nobody that bad teams score less.

They're pretty similar players, and I think whoever drafts Hischier will be satisfied with a 60+, 70-ish, pt scorer

 

[Sasso09]

it went from 1.5 draft year to 1.9 after draft year when Depres left. But I mean, his team got insanely bad in his final season and it should shock nobody that bad teams score less.

They're pretty similar players, and I think whoever drafts Hischier will be satisfied with a 60+, 70-ish, pt scorer

Nope, it went from 1.9 to 1.5 after he lost those players... he didn't lose them until 12-13 season where the drop occurred. 60-70 points is modest for the best offensive talent in the draft... but you could be right. I see him between 70-80 with a PPG peak

 

[goonybird]

draft year 105 pts in 67 games

year after when despres left 72 in 37 games

edited you mean his draft + + year. he missed 37 games to injury (and camp) and SNB had maybe 3 core players mid-season. I guess I'm just trying to say that >yeah< he scored less, but it wasn't so cut-and-dry.

They move a lot alike and have really slick vision. I like the comparison, even if Hischier is a more polished type

 

[goonybird]

I made a mess of that post

 

[RememberTheName]

This is Hischiers first year playing in North America. 5th in points per game as a rookie in the qhjhl, 4th if you only count players who played 50 or more games. That is pretty good for a first year NA player

 

[goonybird]

makes me wonder why Timashov Svechnikov and Abramov didn't go higher.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'm thinking Nico will be a Flyer, and the debates between both fanbases are going to get nasty.

 

[93LEAFS]

it went from 1.5 draft year to 1.9 after draft year when Depres left. But I mean, his team got insanely bad in his final season and it should shock nobody that bad teams score less.

They're pretty similar players, and I think whoever drafts Hischier will be satisfied with a 60+, 70-ish, pt scorer

Huberdeau's final season in the QMJHL is hard to value, mostly because he only played half the year, and sometimes it is just sheer bad luck that balances out over a full 50 something game season (because he would miss games for WJC regardless).

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Also, another thing that gets me worried is he plays in the Q. For whatever reason, numbers don't translate as well in that league. MacKinnon, Drouin, Couturier and Huberdeau have all been disappointing to a degree. Not to say they aren't good players, but that league is clearly the worst of the Canadian junior leagues

I can't think of the last star to come out of the Q. I guess Mackinnon if you wanna call him one. Before that, Marchand?

 

[SportsDaily]

Nico Hischier First Overall Pick?

Nico Hischier

Will Nico Hischier be the first overall pick?

 

[Sasso09]

I made a mess of that post

No worries, I understood you. And yes you're correct I was a year off.

 

[Sasso09]

Also, another thing that gets me worried is he plays in the Q. For whatever reason, numbers don't translate as well in that league. MacKinnon, Drouin, Couturier and Huberdeau have all been disappointing to a degree. Not to say they aren't good players, but that league is clearly the worst of the Canadian junior leagues

Raymond Bourque
Mario Lemieux
Pat Lafontaine
Pierre Turgeon
Patrick Roy
Sidney Crosby
Denis Savard
Luc Robitaille
Vincent Lecavalier
Simon Gagné
Daniel Brière
Jean-Pierre Dumont
Brad Richards
Ales Hemsky,
Jason Pominville
Patrice Bergeron
Brad Marchand
Claude Giroux


Martin Brodeur
Manny Fernandez
Marc Denis
Martin Biron
Jean-Sébastien Giguère
José Théodore
Roberto Luongo
Marc-André Fleury
Jaroslav Halak
Ondrej Pavelec
Jonathan Bernier
Corey Crawford

But sure, pick those three.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

Also, another thing that gets me worried is he plays in the Q. For whatever reason, numbers don't translate as well in that league. MacKinnon, Drouin, Couturier and Huberdeau have all been disappointing to a degree. Not to say they aren't good players, but that league is clearly the worst of the Canadian junior leagues

I can't think of the last star to come out of the Q. I guess Mackinnon if you wanna call him one. Before that, Marchand?

Ever hear of a guy named Giroux? Kucherov?

Other than Draisaitl, who was last star forward to come out of the WHL?

 

[goonybird]

The Q has been very good for 15 years or so.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Huberdeau would surely have been drafted after Hischier in the same draft. Hischier has more offensive talent than Huberdeau had. And he did just as much offensively with far less help.

Hischier is on a team with no future NHL players, only one was even drafted and he was drafted in the high rounds.

Huberdeau had Beaulieu, Depres, Jurco, 1st round pick Zack Phillips, and a few others drafted. It's no coincidence that Huberdeau went from 1.9 PPG his draft year down to 1.5 in his draft + year when he lost Depres, Beaulieu and Jurco.

Few things:

1. I watched them both play multiple times live draft years, I know exactly who was on the team since I watched that team extensively that season.

2. I know the stats, but do not use them to rank prospects. I go by my own live viewings, I take points into consideration to a very small degree. Obviously if I have only a few viewing and that player does not play well, I do consider the stats that they put up, but given that I had enough viewings of both I do not take them into consideration.

3. Regarding the point drop - He was the top player at the WJC for Canada and then signed a deal with CCM and his ELC, he was going to the NHL in 2012-13 but due to the lockout he had to go back to a league he had already accomplished everything in with 2 league titles and a mem cup, for lack of a better term he didn't give a s***.