Marner didn't have the best WJC but he was the guy who basically went "enough with this ********" and completely took over that final game. He was dominant. Unfortunately we ended up losing anyways but still. He showed just how good he can be. That tournament was just a gongshow overall, no chemistry and everyone looked bad.
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He didn't suck. He tied golden boy Strome for the team Canada lead in scoring, and was easily one of their better forwards defensively.
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I can see it. Good hands and vision. Not soft or floaty but not overly aggressive or selke level. Not MSL or Gaudreau level but sorta undersized.
He's more talented than MP. MP has good vision but I have not seen the moves and hands Marner displays from MP.
Against the USA, Switzerland, and Sweden he most certainly did. But see what you want to see.
Dude. You need to know that you're not coming off as anything but jealous and salty. No ones buying it, go outside.
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People overstate how small Marner is. You guys realize that he is 5'11 and 170 lbs right? If you watch him on the ice he looks like it too- small but definitely bigger than players like Konecny (5'10, player that I can think of off the top of my head).
Just looking at the top 25 scorers in the NHL right now I can list several that are the same height and/or weight as this guy, with their scoring rank listed:
1) Patrick Kane (5'11, 177)
6) Sidney Crosby (5'11, 200)
8) Artemi Panarin (5'11, 170)
9) Joe Pavelski (5'11, 190)
17) Nikita Kucherov (5'11, 178)
23) Claude Giroux (5'11, 172)
Mitch Marner listed at (5'11, 170)
And if you include top 30 scorers then add Duchene (5'11, 200) and Steen (5'11, 212).
If people are comparing him to Gaudreau (5'9, 157) and MSL (5'8, 180), then I feel you could also compare him to Seguin, O'Reilly and Bergeron (all 6'1, 195-210). The difference in height at least is in the same level. He is a small player but definitely not in the realm of tiny.
Edit: It could be argued that he needs to get stronger/heavier and for that I agree, but look at the all the players I listed above, all older than Mitch by a few years- he will get stronger over the years (he's only 18).
Just looking at the top 25 scorers in the NHL right now I can list several that are the same height and/or weight as this guy, with their scoring rank listed:
1) Patrick Kane (5'11, 177)
6) Sidney Crosby (5'11, 200)
8) Artemi Panarin (5'11, 170)
9) Joe Pavelski (5'11, 190)
17) Nikita Kucherov (5'11, 178)
23) Claude Giroux (5'11, 172)
Mitch Marner listed at (5'11, 170)
And if you include top 30 scorers then add Duchene (5'11, 200) and Steen (5'11, 212).
If people are comparing him to Gaudreau (5'9, 157) and MSL (5'8, 180), then I feel you could also compare him to Seguin, O'Reilly and Bergeron (all 6'1, 195-210). The difference in height at least is in the same level. He is a small player but definitely not in the realm of tiny.
Edit: It could be argued that he needs to get stronger/heavier and for that I agree, but look at the all the players I listed above, all older than Mitch by a few years- he will get stronger over the years (he's only 18).
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This is just a result of him having a slight frame, thus making his size seem like a bigger deal than it will be when he fills out. Trolls are just acting like putting on mass is something that doesn't happen after the age of 18 because it serves their narrative.
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I think it's moreso some that harp on his size (or lack thereof in their opinion, I personally feel like his size is normal for today's NHL), that they can't harp on anything else.
Let's face it, if Marner was 6'2" 190 lbs, what would they criticize? This kid is going to be good, damn good. Happy the Leafs have some blue chippers in their system for the first time in decades.
Mitch "Here to **** your *****" Marner
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Yeah, I did this research just now under the motive that in the past few London games I watched, I noticed that he did not stand out as small at all (maybe an inch shorter and skinnier), standing next to players like Dvorak and Tkachuk.
At the beginning of the year (he was 160)- yeah I noticed he was skinnier (not shorter) than quite a few prospects at the training camp but over the year while watching him, I felt that he actually filled out a bit and now the size is significantly less noticeable. (at 170)
I found it quite surprising that he was not that small comparatively to many of the players in the NHL like many people have stated here, both in statistical analysis and actually watching him on the ice compared to other players.
Maybe all these comments on his size was actually what affected my thinking.
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You seem a little to obsessed about it to be the becon of objectivity you seem to try and play yourself off as.
Nope. I really don't care if he winds up an all star or a complete flop. I think he'll wind up somewhere in the middle, a mildly above average player who won't come close to meeting the hype.
Someone posted his goal on the main board this morning, where I first responded. It was later moved to this thread, so here I am. But I find it funny that most of you can't acknowledge how bad he was in the games against the USA, etc. Pretending he was good doesn't make it so. Better to have an honest discussion and put aside the homer glasses.
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I would assume nerves were part of the game against the USA considering it was the first game of the tournament...to say Marner was bad is doing an injustice to him. The whole team flopped especially the 19 year olds on that team especially Virtanen who played like a clown. Marner stepped up in a big way in the biggest game and he didn't get much help. He was pretty good in the tournament individually. The team sucked though.
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Jesus you evaluate 3 games like it is do or die, it was 3 games... McDavid last year had 2 point in his first 3 games and didn't score until second game against Germany. Oh guess what? Marner had at least 2 points in those games too.
How about other prospects huh? Rantanen? He only had 5 points in 7 games- also a bunch of Finnish watchers stated that he was struggling. Guess he sucks now and is doomed to be a failure.
It why players have a career and play the freaking game. It's not defined by 3 games. How about in the OHL this year so far? 2.1 PPG and dangerous every-time he touches the ice.
At the world juniors we all saw flaws but also outstanding positives too. He could become a legend or a double D-cup bust, but its the fact that he has the potential to become one of the best players in the league is why he has Leafs fans excited. Why you got to dump on that?
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He's simply expressing his opinion on how Marner played at WJC. He was underwhelming. What's the big deal about saying that?
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He looked bigger and bulkier in the recent games, and the OHL site has him at 165lbs- improving from the 160lbs at the beginning of the year, take that as whatever indication you prefer.
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We might be over-estimating his potential on the Leafs board too. Better pop over there and get your two cents in.
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No problem with that, just that he seems to refuse to acknowledge the good games/points of Marner as well, just hanging onto the bad games.
I agree that Marner was definitely underwhelming at the WJC, but we also saw that he could be clutch in big games, can be physical and that his shot was actually pretty deadly. All thing people harp on him for. If he came off as "Marner sucked in so and so games, but he was also the best in so and so," instead of "Marner sucks!"- then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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It's like the polar opposite of the Nylander argument in the WJC last year. Nylander dominates the round robin games, but isn't as dominant in the final games.
Hfboards (aka. you): *whine* Nylander wasn't good in the games that matter. So he's not as good as everyone says. *whine*
This year, Marner not that strong in the round robin. Is brilliant in the final game that matters.
Hfboards (aka. you): *whine* Marner wasn't good in the games that don't matter. So he's not as good as everyone says. *whine*
You guys always have to find something to complain about. Even in a beauty highlight video you have to find away to bring up the unimportant games at the WJC. And you're trying to act like you don't care?
That's the funniest part of all this.
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Actually the thread was about the goal he scored the other day, a highlight reel goal and probably a GOTY candidate.
He barges in and basically says, "**** Marner, he was **** at the WJCs." You don't see anything wrong with hawksrule's thinking here?
I'm not sure if hawksrule just wants some attention or not, but that stuff has already been discussed to death, and has nothing to do with the goal.
It's like the polar opposite of the Nylander argument in the WJC last year. Nylander dominates the round robin games, but isn't as dominant in the final games.
Hfboards (aka. you): *whine* Nylander wasn't good in the games that matter. So he's not as good as everyone says. *whine*
This year, Marner not that strong in the round robin. Is brilliant in the final game that matters.
Hfboards (aka. you): *whine* Marner wasn't good in the games that don't matter. So he's not as good as everyone says. *whine*
You guys always have to find something to complain about. Even in a beauty highlight video you have to find away to bring up the unimportant games at the WJC. And you're trying to act like you don't care?
It kills people inside when a Leafs player/prospect is doing well. You learn to ignore it. There will always be people that will never acknowledge a player or play for whatever the reason may be, on these boards its usually because of the Leafs stigma
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