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C Mikhail Grigorenko - Quebec Remparts, QMJHL (2012 draft) III

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gifted88 said:
He's stalling his development? I read so many comments at and around the draft that said he needs to work on his 2-way game and would benefit from another year in the Q. How has this changed so quickly?
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It's simply based on nationality. It doesn't make any sense beyond that. Don't worry about it.
 
I think Grigorenko staying in Quebec is the right move. Players who dominate in their final years of junior tend to have better NHL careers than those who are rushed into the NHL. Grigorenko was not dominant in his draft yr. If he put up big numbers this year, then he'll be in a much better position to be ready for a top-6 role next year. That's not to say putting up a ton of points is a measure of success. But at Grigorenko's stage of development, it's about learning the nuances of the center ice position, it's about gaining more confidence as a player who can control the pace of the game, it's about learning how to give a consistent effort every night, and it's about learning how to be a professional off the ice (strength, conditioning, nutrition, etc). So I think returning to Quebec was the right move for him.
 
Fulcrum said:
There is nothing wrong with CHL as a jr league. It's a good league.

The biggest problem, is that if a player outgrows it- he can't just easily move to the next level because of all the rules that have to do with age, instead of skill.
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The next level is pro hockey, it really is that easy...so NHL vs KHL. There really is no point arguing CHL vs KHL as one is a development league for kids and the other is a professional hockey league.
 
gifted88 said:
The next level is pro hockey, it really is that easy...so NHL vs KHL. There really is no point arguing CHL vs KHL as one is a development league for kids and the other is a professional hockey league.
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ah.. I've said all there is to be said, no point of repeating if people didn't get my point the first time.
 
He was unhappy where he was... if he wasn't, there's a good chance he might have stayed there. And I don't think the family appreciated Russia looking into his age. If it had happened to me, I would have left too...

Russian or North American path, both have proved to be good for prospects and in both, you often have busts.
 
This kid has said and done everything you expect him to do. He is a class act and am truly happy to have him in our organization. I do not want to set very high expectations for him, but have a good feeling about his play making ability. He trained very hard in the gym all summer here in Buffalo and hoping this lockout and his training with the Q will help in his development further. Armia, Grigs, and Girgs should be coming onto the Sabres team in a limited or even greater role come next year.
 
Fulcrum said:
It's just the way you look at it. Us, Russian fans see it as- Grigs can be more and do more than dominate the Q.
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Which I think is a valid perspective...

However, if you look it at from the Buffalo standpoint, I would rather have him gain is strength and stamina(both of which were affected by his illness) and play top quality minutes at the same time gaining his confidence to do so, than playing lesser minutes with harder competition and losing his confidence.

I do understand the concept that better opposition is better for development(which I agree with), but he needs to gain that strength and DEFENSIVE coaching from Roy and co to play in the NHL.
 
KHL is obiously a good league but the players have to be very mature to play there because from all reports more is expected of them off the ice. Yakupov was a healthy scratch last game. I think the Sabres are happy to have him in Quebec--he will play with guys his own age and get more accustomed to North America and to NHL rinks, NHL style play and refereeing. With illness and injury last year a full year with the Rmparts should be a good thing. Not so sure of another year after that though if he dominates this year...
 
Maybe he should stay in Russia, but if he wants to play here, who's to stop him from doing what he wants?
 
wings5 said:
Maybe he should stay in Russia, but if he wants to play here, who's to stop him from doing what he wants?
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He wants to make the NHL. He appreciates buffalos advice. And is doing anything buffalo says. Wether he is in the right or the wrong is not up to me or you. Only time will tell.
 
It was the kind of game you want to see him play every night. He was dangerous all night, great effort on the game tying goal and scored the OT winner with a deflection in front of the net.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
2. Russian prospects come to NA primarily to make it clear to scouts/teams that they want to make the NHL, not because the CHL is necessarily a superior league to develop in.
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And the thing is that this is the stupidest possible reason leave Russia and play in Canadian juniors. They ruin their hockey development to impress NHL scouts. Only a full Pejorative Slur would do that.

When they turn 20 they realize what a mistake they made but it is too late then. One thing I don't understand is why the younger Russian generations continue to repeat the same mistakes that the older generations made. Low IQ? Western propaganda? Nobody cares about them in Russia? Or what?
 
Low IQ? Western propaganda? Nobody cares about them in Russia? Or what?
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it's all this combined maybe? nothing against grigorenko though. but kucher i mean come on. soon hell be 20. to go to the QMJHL at such age is simply stupid
 
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kp61c said:
it's all this combined maybe? nothing against grigorenko though. but kucher i mean come on. soon hell be 20. to go to the QMJHL at such age is simply stupid
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I think the major factor here is CSKA, they are the best in developing elite talent, and are absolutely the worst at keeping it!
-Kamayev
-Tolchinski
-Kucherov
-Grigorenko
-Zadorov
-Prokhorkin
-Shirokov
-Alex Nikulin
-Filatov
-Kugryshev
-Goncharov
-Dikushin

That's a damn long list of truly promising players, some of these guys are lost in hockey now.

And these are only CSKA prospects, not other teams.
 
jfb392 said:
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Love how excited he gets after that game winning goal, love to see that emotion in that kid. Can't wait to see him in a Sabres uniform in the next few years! I believe he has the highest PPG in the QMJHL so far this year through 6 games [2.33] (Small Sample Size) But looking to feed off his great season last year.
 
Peter25 said:
And the thing is that this is the stupidest possible reason leave Russia and play in Canadian juniors. They ruin their hockey development to impress NHL scouts. Only a full Pejorative Slur would do that.

When they turn 20 they realize what a mistake they made but it is too late then. One thing I don't understand is why the younger Russian generations continue to repeat the same mistakes that the older generations made. Low IQ? Western propaganda? Nobody cares about them in Russia? Or what?
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Wow, this post makes me question your own intelligence. Your opinion is one you are entitled to, however you need to express it in a better way.
 
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