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C Mikhail Grigorenko - Quebec Remparts, QMJHL (2012 draft) III

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All these posts about how ready he is and we'll (other teams) be regretting not taking him.... I'm not gonna tell you Drouin is ready for the NHL after a 5 point night that JS Dea (12 points) is NHL ready :sarcasm:

From the sounds of things he's still not playing tremendously and that goes to using his size and playing defense too... Terrific offensive player, but 11 points does not = we were wrong already :laugh:

He gets those points, but he didn't look NHL ready last season...
 
HalifaxDucks said:
All these posts about how ready he is and we'll (other teams) be regretting not taking him.... I'm not gonna tell you Drouin is ready for the NHL after a 5 point night that JS Dea (12 points) is NHL ready :sarcasm:

From the sounds of things he's still not playing tremendously and that goes to using his size and playing defense too... Terrific offensive player, but 11 points does not = we were wrong already :laugh:

He gets those points, but he didn't look NHL ready last season...
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Clearly does not watch him. He's never going to be a powerforward; it's not his game despite being fairly big, but he actually does backcheck and play smart positional D.
 
hototogisu said:
Yes, because all scouts draft players hoping they'll tear up junior leagues.
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You know what else scouts said? That his talent is on par with Yakupov.

What do you want him to do in the Q? Not score??? He's an offensive centerman. The fact that he is putting up a lot of points is encouraging and nothing else. I wouldn't mind seeing him play with more intensity and hopefully as he matures that part of his game comes around. Not every prospect is flawless at the age of 18-- oh right, I forgot the guy is 30, well then damnit.
 
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Kishire said:
You know what else scouts said? That his talent is on par with Yakupov.

What do you want him to do in the Q? Not score??? He's an offensive centerman. The fact that he is putting up a lot of points is encouraging and nothing else. I wouldn't mind seeing him play with more intensity and hopefully as he matures that part of his game comes around. Not every prospect is flawless at the age of 18-- oh right, I forgot the guy is 30, well then damnit.
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I think you completely missed the point of my post.
 
hototogisu said:
Yes, because all scouts draft players hoping they'll tear up junior leagues.
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Not sure what else you're expecting him to do? It's not like he had the option of going anywhere else. Unless he wanted to try to get out of his contract and end up playing nowhere like Yakupov.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
Not sure what else you're expecting him to do? It's not like he had the option of going anywhere else. Unless he wanted to try to get out of his contract and end up playing nowhere like Yakupov.
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Where in any of my posts did I say anything disparaging about Grigorenko's performance? You guys are awfully defensive.
 
hototogisu said:
Where in any of my posts did I say anything disparaging about Grigorenko's performance? You guys are awfully defensive.
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Your tone is condescending, if I speak that way about Galchenyuk, how do you think Habs fans will react?

What did you mean by your post? That Grigorenko will only be good at the junior level? Or that a players performance at the junior level shouldn't determine his draft position? I have no clue. :dunno:
 
Kishire said:
Your tone is condescending, if I speak that way about Galchenyuk, how do you think Habs fans will react?

What did you mean by your post? That Grigorenko will only be good at the junior level? Or that a players performance at the junior level shouldn't determine his draft position? I have no clue. :dunno:
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His point, I believe was Grigerenko has proven no one wrong that he shouldn't have dropped yet. Tearing up the Q doesn't change much, NHL scouts/GMs knew the kid can score in juniors.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
Not sure what else you're expecting him to do? It's not like he had the option of going anywhere else. Unless he wanted to try to get out of his contract and end up playing nowhere like Yakupov.
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Huh? KHL is nowhere?
 
Fulcrum said:
Huh? KHL is nowhere?
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You are insanely defensive and it's very annoying. He was referring to the fact with the contract dispute with Sarnia not releasing Yakupov and Yakupov literally playing no where while that was going on as he wasn't allowed to. Stop interpreting everything as Russia bashing.
 
bruinsfan46 said:
You are insanely defensive and it's very annoying. He was referring to the fact with the contract dispute with Sarnia not releasing Yakupov and Yakupov literally playing no where while that was going on as he wasn't allowed to. Stop interpreting everything as Russia bashing.
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ok now, take a deep breath ... relax

I know what he meant. Irrelevant of what he meant to say, mentioning Yakupov missing 2 games in KHL is a very poor argument.

Of course Grigorenko could use developement at a higher lever. He would be much better off in any serious adult league right now, his jr. stats speak for themselves. Not to mention the competition in Q is weakest of CHL as well. What exactly is he going to learn there this year that he doesn't already know how to do?

It's like when Grachev did very well in OHL, but he should've spent the year at least in the AHL instead of developing bad habits (such as relying on his size to producie instead of positioning and technique).
 
Fantomas said:
Maybe one of these days your boy will too.
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From what I've been hearing, Galchenyuk has been dominant in all aspects of the game, with little to no support from his linemates and a nearly abysmal Sarnia team. He will be fine.

Back to Grigorenko, anybody has any kind of reliable info about his age? Is the controversy actually based on any firm basis or has it been shattered already?
 
I don't get to watch much of the Q but wow...Grigs is off to a FLYER. Is he playing dominantly?

I remember watching a few games in October-November last year and was convinced he'd go #2 and then everything just fell apart.
 
Pi said:
I don't get to watch much of the Q but wow...Grigs is off to a FLYER. Is he playing dominantly?

I remember watching a few games in October-November last year and was convinced he'd go #2 and then everything just fell apart.
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He comes and goes. In order for him to dominate games more, he'll need to be a bit more intense in the corners and work on his foot speed.

One thing I can say, however, is that even in his so-so games thus far, he does create scoring opportunities out of nowhere. His vision and ability to make tape-to-tape passes is definitely as good as any other drafted prospect as far as I'm concerned.

I see a lot of Kopitar in Grigorenko. If he fills out his body and gets that added intensity, he could very well be the same player. The vision is there, he has a good shot and he has displayed a very good two-way game in his first four games, positioning is definitely not a problem with this guy.
 
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Endersoldier said:
vision and ability to make tape-to-tape passes
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That is what stood out to me at rookie camp during the scrimmages. Really high level vision and passing. Uncanny.

Endersoldier said:
I see a lot of Kopitar in Grigorenko.
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Funny you mention that. That is the exact comparison I have in mind with Grigorenko. If he can turn out something like Anze I would be thrilled.
 
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Clipitar said:
From what I've been hearing, Galchenyuk has been dominant in all aspects of the game, with little to no support from his linemates and a nearly abysmal Sarnia team. He will be fine.

Back to Grigorenko, anybody has any kind of reliable info about his age? Is the controversy actually based on any firm basis or has it been shattered already?
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The age thing was a bunch of hogwash, from what I understand. I think one of the russian posters here would be more precise, but from what I remember the kid has gotten questions about it for the longest of times, ever since he was 6-8 years old, since he was not only bigger but displayed an advanced touch with the Russian language. That being said, considering how well he learned English since he got to North America, it could be possible that he has a natural gift for languages? I dunno.

On a side note, I like how Galchenyuk gets all the little things, he drives the net well and he does have a nice skill set. If I were to base my opinion off the little I've seen of him (unfortunately, I can't find full games), I would say that he will be an excellent player, but I'm not sure if I see a dominant offensive force at the NHL level. That being said, I will reserve judgement because I had not seen him up to that point, and it is likely that he is still getting back into the flow of things. I do expect him to put up some nice numbers, maybe a pacing of around 85-95 points, based on what my fellow Habs fans are saying. Help or no help, if he's as good as they say then I think that kind of pace is reasonable to expect considering his pedigree and the hype surrounding him.
 
Endersoldier said:
The age thing was a bunch of hogwash, from what I understand. I think one of the russian posters here would be more precise, but from what I remember the kid has gotten questions about it for the longest of times, ever since he was 6-8 years old, since he was not only bigger but displayed an advanced touch with the Russian language. That being said, considering how well he learned English since he got to North America, it could be possible that he has a natural gift for languages? I dunno.

On a side note, I like how Galchenyuk gets all the little things, he drives the net well and he does have a nice skill set. If I were to base my opinion off the little I've seen of him (unfortunately, I can't find full games), I would say that he will be an excellent player, but I'm not sure if I see a dominant offensive force at the NHL level. That being said, I will reserve judgement because I had not seen him up to that point, and it is likely that he is still getting back into the flow of things. I do expect him to put up some nice numbers, maybe a pacing of around 85-95 points, based on what my fellow Habs fans are saying. Help or no help, if he's as good as they say then I think that kind of pace is reasonable to expect considering his pedigree and the hype surrounding him.
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Thanks for the info.

As for Galchenyuk, I agree with your assessment, it's pretty much the way I see it as well. The fact he has the potential to do it all (Toews-like) makes me think he might settle as a slightly less producing player than Grigs but still end up the better player because of all the elements he brings in his game. I still see Grigs as the most "elite" of the two, but strictly on the offensive side of things.

One thing for sure though, both youngsters will be compared to one another for a long time!
 
MacOfNiagara said:
That is what stood out to me at rookie camp during the scrimmages. Really high level vision and passing. Uncanny.



Funny you mention that. That is the exact comparison I have in mind with Grigorenko. If you can turn out something like Anze I would be thrilled.
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Joe Thornton imho.
 
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