C Michael McLeod - Mississauga Steelheads, OHL (2016, 12th, NJD)

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No need, I didn't hate the pick when announced. I'm part of the fan base, so the entire fan base didn't hate it.

In fact, I wanted him over Brown as well.

He was not my ideal selection at the beginning of the draft, but with what was on the table, he was who I wanted to see NJ take. I was really hoping for Tyson Jost to fall to us above all else.

Yeah I got my hopes up when he was still there at #10, and then Colorado took him.

I think given the choice between having just Brown or having McLeod + the extra pick I'd take McLeod + the extra pick.

That said, if Brown hits his ceiling I do think he'll be better than McLeod. I just don't think it's as likely he hits his ceiling as it is McLeod hits his.
 
Sorry if the truth hurts.

It doesn't mean McLeod won't be better than Brown, but don't pretend NOW like McLeod is who you guys wanted. He wasn't.

Who is this monolith known as "you guys"? There might be some sweet hivemind in Philly, but all Devils fans don't think alike. I get that you're a Flyers fan and you're here for...reasons...but don't waste everyone's time. Like the "entire" fanbase not liking something means anything.

Guess what? After reading a bit more about a guy that really wasn't in the conversation at any point in the NJ draft threads, some people did come around. And there's not a damn thing wrong with that.
 
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Sorry if the truth hurts.

It doesn't mean McLeod won't be better than Brown, but don't pretend NOW like McLeod is who you guys wanted. He wasn't.

LOL, what truth about what that I would care about? I find the way you generalize laughable, that's all.
 
Sorry if the truth hurts.

It doesn't mean McLeod won't be better than Brown, but don't pretend NOW like McLeod is who you guys wanted. He wasn't.

Brown was no where near the guy I wanted.

Keller was. Or Jost. Neither happened.

The one guy I absolutely didn't want was Brown so given how unfortunate the top 10 worked out for us.. I am pretty happy with McLeod.

I might have preferred Chychrun (and with the Hall trade, maybe even morseso now) but if we were going forward, I'd have hated picking Brown.

Thanks for generalizing all Devils fans though. I'm sure you asked all of us what we thought before making such a statement. The prevailing thoughts on our board was similar in disliking Brown, FYI.. we had just hoped someone would fall and no-one did.
 
That is the general consensus, no? That Brown has a higher offensive ceiling than McLeod, whose offensive ceiling is seen as rather limited. Do you want me to post more articles again?

Posting articles didn't prove you right last time, what makes you think it will now?

I already blocked one Devils fan who can't let go when a team don't draft on how they insist they draft, don't make me make it two.

Let go of Brown, it's annoying bro.
 
Brown was no where near the guy I wanted.

Keller was. Or Jost. Neither happened.

The one guy I absolutely didn't want was Brown so given how unfortunate the top 10 worked out for us.. I am pretty happy with McLeod.

I might have preferred Chychrun (and with the Hall trade, maybe even morseso now) but if we were going forward, I'd have hated picking Brown.

Thanks for generalizing all Devils fans though. I'm sure you asked all of us what we thought before making such a statement. The prevailing thoughts on our board was similar in disliking Brown, FYI.. we had just hoped someone would fall and no-one did.

Brown wasn't in my top 5 either, the Devils have seen enough slow big men the past decade, I'm done with it.
 
Your entire fan base hated the pick when announced.

I would provide proof but when I do, it will be deleted. Now lots of NJ are back tracking. I applaud Whiskey to saying the same thing now that your whole fanbase said before McLeod was your pick.

Lots of them were, but not all of us. I didn't want any part of Brown. I hate how the first 10 picks went down because it really screwed the Devils, but having to pick between the two (Brown and McLeod), I'd have picked McLeod as well.

Actually, looking at the responses, there are several of us who didn't hate the pick. More than I realized. Those who didn't like it were just significantly more vocal. As usual, the loudest opinion is used to represent an entire group. Usually because it's the easiest opinion to recognize.
 
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Your entire fan base hated the pick when announced.

I would provide proof but when I do, it will be deleted. Now lots of NJ are back tracking. I applaud Whiskey to saying the same thing now that your whole fanbase said before McLeod was your pick.

They hated it because most Devils fans, at least this is my assumption, had 4 guys in mind at our pick and all 4 got taken right before ours. Keller, Nylander, Sergachev, and Jost were the guys most wanted and most thought we had a great shot of getting one of them. So yeah, when it didn't work out I'm sure tons were not pleased. I know I wasn't. But that was irrational and more so me being pissed as to how the draft unfolded for us, with those 4 names being gone, than being pissed at the McLeod pick.

At that pick there was no player that was clearly better than another. I've read numerous articles/blogs/reports and everything in between stating that they had McLeod over Brown. I've also read a ton of opinions stating the opposite. At that range it's not black and white, both players have their strengths and weaknesses. I don't care if someone wants to voice their opinion on a few players. But the ****ing ******** I read on here about guys ranting about how they just know the Devils made a mistake with this selection is mind-****ing-boggling.
 
They hated it because most Devils fans, at least this is my assumption, had 4 guys in mind at our pick and all 4 got taken right before ours. Keller, Nylander, Sergachev, and Jost were the guys most wanted and most thought we had a great shot of getting one of them. So yeah, when it didn't work out I'm sure tons were not pleased. I know I wasn't. But that was irrational and more so me being pissed as to how the draft unfolded for us, with those 4 names being gone, than being pissed at the McLeod pick.

At that pick there was no player that was clearly better than another. I've read numerous articles/blogs/reports and everything in between stating that they had McLeod over Brown. I've also read a ton of opinions stating the opposite. At that range it's not black and white, both players have their strengths and weaknesses. I don't care if someone wants to voice their opinion on a few players. But the ****ing ******** I read on here about guys ranting about how they just know the Devils made a mistake with this selection is mind-****ing-boggling.

I will address the last line first. I 100% agree that no ones how these kids end up. Lots can happen. If not, every re-draft would look the same and they never do. And often prosoects will flip flop over different years of each being better than the other.

All I was saying, is that Whiskey is saying what LOTS of NJ were saying before McLeod became their property. Once he did, LOTS have now changed their tune on him. but yes, some were fine with the pick so I misspoke if I said all....but LOTS disliked it and have flip flopped. But Whiskey is not one if them.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=119807133&highlight=mcleod#post119807133

Duthie just said we scouted McLeod heavily...noooooo!
Please God no to McLeod
Wtf?
HOLY **** HE DID IT the MOTHER ****ER DID IT
Dammit.
Meh. Ok. That's fine.
McLeod it is, not an awful pick but not the dynamic offensive talent we needed.
At least he's a righty
Ugh...
Yuck
gross.
he doesn't add what we need
don't like it
Brown or chych would have been better. Ugh
Not liking this at all.
All faith has been lost
the one player I absolutely did not want. would have taken Bellows or Kunin over him...not happy with this
Etc....

But my favorite: Well... His mother is pretty hot.

But I will stress again, no one knows how these kids end up. It's just educated guesses right now based in info people have gathered. I just find it odd that so many people have turned on Whiskey when he is saying what lots of NJ fans said on draft day. He just has not flip flopped. It doesn't make him right, but at least consistent.
 
Your entire fan base hated the pick when announced.

I would provide proof but when I do, it will be deleted. Now lots of NJ are back tracking. I applaud Whiskey to saying the same thing now that your whole fanbase said before McLeod was your pick.

"Back tracking" over what. Many people on this site form very strong opinions (both good and bad) about players they've never really seen play.

If, post-draft, there are Devils fans who have cooled it and become happy with the selection, maybe it's no about 'back tracking' as it is about becoming more informed. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.
 
I will address the last line first. I 100% agree that no ones how these kids end up. Lots can happen. If not, every re-draft would look the same and they never do. And often prosoects will flip flop over different years of each being better than the other.

All I was saying, is that Whiskey is saying what LOTS of NJ were saying before McLeod became their property. Once he did, LOTS have now changed their tune on him. but yes, some were fine with the pick so I misspoke if I said all....but LOTS disliked it and have flip flopped. But Whiskey is not one if them.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=119807133&highlight=mcleod#post119807133

Duthie just said we scouted McLeod heavily...noooooo!
Please God no to McLeod
Wtf?
HOLY **** HE DID IT the MOTHER ****ER DID IT
Dammit.
Meh. Ok. That's fine.
McLeod it is, not an awful pick but not the dynamic offensive talent we needed.
At least he's a righty
Ugh...
Yuck
gross.
he doesn't add what we need
don't like it
Brown or chych would have been better. Ugh
Not liking this at all.
All faith has been lost
the one player I absolutely did not want. would have taken Bellows or Kunin over him...not happy with this
Etc....

But my favorite: Well... His mother is pretty hot.

But I will stress again, no one knows how these kids end up. It's just educated guesses right now based in info people have gathered. I just find it odd that so many people have turned on Whiskey when he is saying what lots of NJ fans said on draft day. He just has not flip flopped. It doesn't make him right, but at least consistent.

"McLeod for sure! YES!"
"Bob likes the pick. I'll stick with Bob's opinion."
"speeeed"
"Bob McKenzie likes the pick, who am I to disagree with him?"
"Size and speed. I'm good with that. Don't know much about him but I like what I hear."
"Nothing wrong with this pick."
"You can't teach that speed and work ethic. Willing to see how this one pans out"
"Im good with McLeod. Its not Chychrun."
"McLeod is a nice pick there. Shero will likely trade for a forward at some point too."
"He's an upside pick. Has speed and plays hard. At worst he might be a 3rd line C. We need a C in the system because Zacha might be a winger."
"Love the pick for what our options were. Apparently he's fast as hell too."

There were just as many people who liked the pick, given the options, as didn't. For me responding to losing out on Brown when we traded the pick:

"Chychryn (McLeod) and a third is horrible return."
"What, for a very poor man's Zubrus? It's no loss."

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2095381&page=28
 
I will address the last line first. I 100% agree that no ones how these kids end up. Lots can happen. If not, every re-draft would look the same and they never do. And often prosoects will flip flop over different years of each being better than the other.

All I was saying, is that Whiskey is saying what LOTS of NJ were saying before McLeod became their property. Once he did, LOTS have now changed their tune on him. but yes, some were fine with the pick so I misspoke if I said all....but LOTS disliked it and have flip flopped. But Whiskey is not one if them.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=119807133&highlight=mcleod#post119807133

Duthie just said we scouted McLeod heavily...noooooo!
Please God no to McLeod
Wtf?
HOLY **** HE DID IT the MOTHER ****ER DID IT
Dammit.
Meh. Ok. That's fine.
McLeod it is, not an awful pick but not the dynamic offensive talent we needed.
At least he's a righty
Ugh...
Yuck
gross.
he doesn't add what we need
don't like it
Brown or chych would have been better. Ugh
Not liking this at all.
All faith has been lost
the one player I absolutely did not want. would have taken Bellows or Kunin over him...not happy with this
Etc....

But my favorite: Well... His mother is pretty hot.

But I will stress again, no one knows how these kids end up. It's just educated guesses right now based in info people have gathered. I just find it odd that so many people have turned on Whiskey when he is saying what lots of NJ fans said on draft day. He just has not flip flopped. It doesn't make him right, but at least consistent.

You keep talking like Devil fans are some collective unit with a single opinion or mindset. Sweeping generalizations are absurd and you keep making them post after post.

If you want to really prove your nonsensical point, try and find individual Devils fans (hint: we have usernames) that did not like the pick at first and have now turned on Whiskey. Otherwise, your 'evidence' makes absolutely no sense and is patently ridiculous.

Instead, you keep just calling Devils fans as a whole "inconsistent" when you have no proof of that at all. One Flyers fan told me they didn't like Provorov as a prospect, it's crazy how all Flyers fans all of a sudden have changed their mind and love him! What a flip flopping fan base! So many backpedaling fans but you'll have to trust me that they exist!!

And of course, keep ignoring all of us in this thread who have cited our experiences.. we're obviously not the Devils fans you speak of, weird how that works.
 
I will address the last line first. I 100% agree that no ones how these kids end up. Lots can happen. If not, every re-draft would look the same and they never do. And often prosoects will flip flop over different years of each being better than the other.

All I was saying, is that Whiskey is saying what LOTS of NJ were saying before McLeod became their property. Once he did, LOTS have now changed their tune on him. but yes, some were fine with the pick so I misspoke if I said all....but LOTS disliked it and have flip flopped. But Whiskey is not one if them.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=119807133&highlight=mcleod#post119807133

Duthie just said we scouted McLeod heavily...noooooo!
Please God no to McLeod
Wtf?
HOLY **** HE DID IT the MOTHER ****ER DID IT
Dammit.
Meh. Ok. That's fine.
McLeod it is, not an awful pick but not the dynamic offensive talent we needed.
At least he's a righty
Ugh...
Yuck
gross.
he doesn't add what we need
don't like it
Brown or chych would have been better. Ugh
Not liking this at all.
All faith has been lost
the one player I absolutely did not want. would have taken Bellows or Kunin over him...not happy with this
Etc....

But my favorite: Well... His mother is pretty hot.

But I will stress again, no one knows how these kids end up. It's just educated guesses right now based in info people have gathered. I just find it odd that so many people have turned on Whiskey when he is saying what lots of NJ fans said on draft day. He just has not flip flopped. It doesn't make him right, but at least consistent.

Again, that's all relative. A bulk of those reactions may have been exaggerated because of their discontent with how the picks before us went, and that McLeod was not part of that big 4 we wanted so they were pissed. Another part of those are people that just weren't informed enough about the pick quickly jumping the gun. It happens, it happens all the time. I've done it numerous times. That's the beauty of the draft. A lot of people don't have the time, or don't want to invest the time in reading up on every prospect in the draft so that they only have to learn about the guys their team drafts. You get those instant reactions but the aftermath those fans start reading up on those players and learn stuff they didn't know before, and they may come around to the selection. And yea, I'm sure there's also a percentage of those that simply didn't like the pick and still don't. Can't please everyone.

As for people turning on Whiskey I think it's because he seems to go against the grain in most Devils decisions. Zacha? Hates him apparently. McLeod? Nope, try again. Hell, even Hall? Nah, not as good as we think. It gets tiresome for fans to be all excited about these players only to have him come around and take a big steaming **** on that excitement.
 
"Back tracking" over what. Many people on this site form very strong opinions (both good and bad) about players they've never really seen play.

If, post-draft, there are Devils fans who have cooled it and become happy with the selection, maybe it's no about 'back tracking' as it is about becoming more informed. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.


:handclap: This is as true as it gets
 
As for people turning on Whiskey I think it's because he seems to go against the grain in most Devils decisions. Zacha? Hates him apparently. McLeod? Nope, try again.

I'm not the only one who thinks Barzal and Brown would have been the better pair of players to walk away with when compared to Zacha and McLeod. In fact, I'm in the overwhelming majority.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2105467

Hell, even Hall? Nah, not as good as we think.

I've been low on Hall and extremely high on Larsson for the better part of their careers. Why would I all of a sudden change my opinion? Check out my post history if you don't believe me.

It gets tiresome for fans to be all excited about these players only to have him come around and take a big steaming **** on that excitement.

Those are your examples? 2 picks that the overwhelming majority of unbiased fans disagreed with, and a trade where we lose arguably my favorite Devils player for a 1 dimensional 60-65 point winger with a history of injury? You got me, I'm just a rebel here to disrupt the circle jerk. Sorry to be such a nuisance to everyone here in rainbow land.

Here is a post of mine from earlier in this thread, I'm hardly always against the grain on Devils decisions. I just call it as I see it.

I loved tons of Devils moves lol. I actually really only objected to these 3 big decisions:

Zacha pick
McLeaod pick
Larsson trade

But I've really like a lot of our other moves in the last 2 years

Bennett trade
Schneider signing
Palmieri trade
Cammalleri signing
Speers pick
DSP trade
Quenneville pick
Joey Anderson pick
Fiddler signing

HFDevils seems very willing to agree with whatever decision our management makes, to the point of completely changing their opinion if management does something to the contrary. The fact that I disagree with a few decisions seems to stick out, so everyone thinks I'm some radical contrarian. I'm just more objective than most of HFDevils - I'm not just going to change my opinion of a player because he now plays for my team. I'll cheer them on, but not going to put on rose colored glasses.

A good player is a good player and a bad player is a bad player, regardless of the jersey they are wearing.
 
I'm not the only one who thinks Barzal and Brown would have been the better pair of players to walk away with when compared to Zacha and McLeod. In fact, I'm in the overwhelming majority.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2105467



I've been low on Hall and extremely high on Larsson for the better part of their careers. Why would I all of a sudden change my opinion? Check out my post history if you don't believe me.



Those are your examples? 2 picks that the overwhelming majority of unbiased fans disagreed with, and a trade where we lose arguably my favorite Devils player for a 1 dimensional 60-65 point winger with a history of injury? You got me, I'm just a rebel here to disrupt the circle jerk. Sorry to be such a nuisance to everyone here in rainbow land.

Here is a post of mine from earlier in this thread, I'm hardly always against the grain on Devils decisions. I just call it as I see it.

so youre saying you dont like the 3 most momentous decisions of Shero's tenure so far?

i dont even get how. Mcleod will be far better than Brown, Hall is going to destroy the East, and Zacha will be a top 3-6 guy as well.

but at least we got Bennett!!
 
so youre saying you dont like the 3 most momentous decisions of Shero's tenure so far?

i dont even get how. Mcleod will be far better than Brown, Hall is going to destroy the East, and Zacha will be a top 3-6 guy as well.

but at least we got Bennett!!

I'm in the majority regarding Brown and Barzal over McLeod and Zacha. Maybe you should take a step back and ask why?

Sorry I can't force myself to agree with every decision made just because my team made it.
 
I still think you are vastly overrating the contributions of Larsson and most, if not all Devils fans are vastly overrating what that 1st pair did last season.

Holding the fort is not excelling...Standing up to a beating is not dominating...Give up 4 or 5 more shots than you take is not helping...surviving is not thriving. And that is what that pair did last season. They survived an onslaught


Please tell me the difference in three players performance?


LARSSON, ADAM New_Jersey
82 1467:28
Shots For 21.91 - Shots Against 25.10 - SF% 46.6
Golas For 1.68 - Goals Against 1.35 - GF%55.4
Corsi For 38.84 - Corsi Against 47.72 - CF% 44.9


20111-12 SALVADOR, BRYCE
82 1351:04
Shots For 23.54 Shots Against 26.82 - - SF% 46.7
Goals For 1.60 - Goals Against 1.69 GF% 48.6
Corsi For 41.30 - Corsi Against 46.50 - CF% 47%


2011-12 FAYNE, MARK
82 1339:42
Shots For 25.84 - Shots Against 25.12 - SF% 50.7
Goals For 2.28 Goals Against - 2.28 - GF% 50.0
Corsi For 46.40 - Corsi Against 44.47 CF% 51.1


There is none.

Agree 100%. Was Larsson solid ? Yes. But people give WAY too much credit for what is only one solid year beside Greene. As I explained here, Larsson has really become overrated defensively by some. Just to be clear, I like him and I think he has potential to be a nice two-way defenseman, but some people are really overstating his last season in NJ.

As for McLeod vs Brown, not sure why are we talking about that since the Devils didn't have the choice anyway. I may have missed something here, but Brown went before McLeod so it's kinda worthless to discuss about that IMO.
 
Idk, as a neutral fan, I'm not going to come in here and bash the pick. However, as an outsider, seeing NJ starve for offense year after year, I think there were better options available. While I'm not a huge fan of Brown, I can't deny he has a very good offensive ceiling. With that being said, he just seems like a better bit in NJ than McLeod. Don't get it twisted, I actually do quite like McLeod, but he doesn't exactly bring what the Devils always seem to need, which is my only knock on the pick.

With that being said, people need to calm down. Give this kid a few years and who knows, he could be a huge surprise. Besides, if we're being honest, half of the Devils fans have probably never specifically watched the kid because he plays in the OHL. He's got a better game than most people give him credit for.
 
But then again, Brown went ahead of McLeod. The Devils didn't pass on Brown. I can understand this kind of discussion when you compare to players that were available at the time of the pick, but that is not the case here.

Really a pointless discussion. For all we know, the Devils may have taken Brown. Or not. We will not know, as he was not available.
 
Idk, as a neutral fan, I'm not going to come in here and bash the pick. However, as an outsider, seeing NJ starve for offense year after year, I think there were better options available. While I'm not a huge fan of Brown, I can't deny he has a very good offensive ceiling. With that being said, he just seems like a better bit in NJ than McLeod. Don't get it twisted, I actually do quite like McLeod, but he doesn't exactly bring what the Devils always seem to need, which is my only knock on the pick.

With that being said, people need to calm down. Give this kid a few years and who knows, he could be a huge surprise. Besides, if we're being honest, half of the Devils fans have probably never specifically watched the kid because he plays in the OHL. He's got a better game than most people give him credit for.

I disagree with Brown being a better fit. He very well may have the higher offensive ceiling but he's a very poor fit for the Devils as currently constructed. Everything this team has done over the past two years has been predicated around speed.. it's one of the core principles of Hynes' system here. McLeod has tons of it while it's one of Brown's weaknesses.

Of course, there's arguments to be made against drafting for one coaches' system which may not be in place when the player makes the NHL.. and I'd agree with that. If Shero and Hynes are planning for the long term though (and are willing to risk their jobs on that), McLeod is a far better fit.

But then again, Brown went ahead of McLeod. The Devils didn't pass on Brown. I can understand this kind of discussion when you compare to players that were available at the time of the pick, but that is not the case here.

Really a pointless discussion. For all we know, the Devils may have taken Brown. Or not. We will not know, as he was not available.

Uhh the Devils could have taken Brown if they wanted to. He was on their board when they were up.. they obviously didn't want him and opted to trade down one slot to get McLeod instead. I highly doubt they would have added a 3rd round pick by risking the guy they really wanted.

I do think the Devils weren't targeting McLeod as much as they were avoiding Brown. If a Keller or Jost, etc. were on the board, that's their likely pick IMO. It just didn't work out that way so they had to go plan B. It happens.
 
But then again, Brown went ahead of McLeod. The Devils didn't pass on Brown. I can understand this kind of discussion when you compare to players that were available at the time of the pick, but that is not the case here.

Really a pointless discussion. For all we know, the Devils may have taken Brown. Or not. We will not know, as he was not available.

Huh? The Devils absolutely passed on Brown, otherwise they would've taken him and not traded the 11th pick. If a team is moving back one spot, they generally have a good idea of who the other team is taking. Devils preferred McLeod over Brown, while Ottawa wanted Brown and moved up to get him (so the Devils wouldn't trade the pick elsewhere).
 
I disagree with Brown being a better fit. He very well may have the higher offensive ceiling but he's a very poor fit for the Devils as currently constructed. Everything this team has done over the past two years has been predicated around speed.. it's one of the core principles of Hynes' system here. McLeod has tons of it while it's one of Brown's weaknesses.

Of course, there's arguments to be made against drafting for one coaches' system which may not be in place when the player makes the NHL.. and I'd agree with that. If Shero and Hynes are planning for the long term though (and are willing to risk their jobs on that), McLeod is a far better fit.

Fair enough. I 100% don't know the Devils as much as any of you, which is why what I said should come with such a disclaimer. Thanks for the input. :)
 
Agree 100%. Was Larsson solid ? Yes. But people give WAY too much credit for what is only one solid year beside Greene. As I explained here, Larsson has really become overrated defensively by some. Just to be clear, I like him and I think he has potential to be a nice two-way defenseman, but some people are really overstating his last season in NJ.

Disagree. Larsson is an elite defenseman, and IMO carried the pairing with Greene. Their really isn't an aspect of defensive hockey where he's not at the level of at least a top 2 dman. On a scale of 10, with 8 equivalent to the skill of a #2 dman, 9 a #1 dman, and 10 being an all star dman, I'd say his defensive skills rank as follows:

Gap control? 8.5/10
Positional discipline? 9/10
Board battles? 8.5/10
Controlled breakout? 10/10
Reading the play? 9/10
Stick work? 9.5/10
Penalty Kill? 9/10
Defending the net? 8/10

He's even begun to develop a bit of a mean streak. His gap control would be 10/10 if he had quicker feet, though he's improved immensely in that category.

Beyond that, and to the point you made in your linked post, Larsson is an extremely underrated offensive player. He's maybe the best I've seen at getting shots past the first shot blocker. He has a tremendous first pass and excels at controlled breakouts, which may not end up earning him a ton of points, but is certainly an indirect offensive catalyst. I'd say rate his offensive skills as follows:

Controlled breakout: 10/10
First pass: 9.5/10
Puck carrying: 5/10
Transition offense: 6.5/10
One timer: 6/10
Wrist shot: 8.5/10
PP QB: 7.5/10
Offensive blue line: 7/10
In zone vision: 9/10

That would put him as a 7.7 with all skills weighted equally, which would imply he's between a #2 and #3 offensive defenseman. I'd say there are roughly 30-40 true top 2 defenseman in the league, so I'd rank him around 40 in terms of pure offensive defenseman in the league. He should be good for ~35-40 points over a full season if put in a more 2 way role. 35 points would have placed him 38th among NHL defenseman this past year. For context, he's 52nd in the league in 5v5 points from defenseman over the past 2 seasons, despite playing primarily in a shut down role with some of the toughest matchups in the league.

His biggest weaknesses as a younger player were footspeed and over confidence with D zone passing when trying to relieve pressure (he was so good at controlled breakouts on big rinks outside of the NHL that it took him some time to adjust to the speed of the forecheck). But he's taking his skating from a D+ to a solid B. And the mental mistakes are a thing of the past.

As for McLeod vs Brown, not sure why are we talking about that since the Devils didn't have the choice anyway. I may have missed something here, but Brown went before McLeod so it's kinda worthless to discuss about that IMO.

The Devils could have drafted Brown, but decided to trade down a spot. That's why the comparison exists. We got in exchange a 3rd rounder which was flipped to get Beau Bennett, which made the move a bit more bearable for me, because I've always liked Bennett's game (been saying for a while that he reminds me of a slower Elias).

But then we only signed him to a 1 year contract for cheap. I would have much preferred we treated him like potentially a big part of the franchise if he can stay healthy, and given him a 4 year $3-4M deal (I think he'd take it given he signed for like 750k).

It just seemed weird that we would trade down a spot that high in the draft for what amounts to 1 year of a player that management values at only $750k.
 
Fair enough. I 100% don't know the Devils as much as any of you, which is why what I said should come with such a disclaimer. Thanks for the input. :)

I was just going to repeat what he said, the Devils the past two drafts and off season moves have been moving to a game of speed, Brown would be a square peg trying to fit in a round hole he would be so out of place.
 

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