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C/LW Lias Andersson (2017, 7th, NYR, traded to LAK)

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We've seen time and time again that for European players, the success rate is the highest if they play at home until they're NHL ready, without going to AHL in between. I wonder when NHL teams will learn.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Not been good since being drafted. He's had a worse 2018-19 season than 2017-18 season, in terms of AHL stats and he's not shown the ability to be more than a bottom line NHL'er at this point in his NHL games. He doesn't even showcase much talent. Chytil and Howden aren't yet good NHL'ers, but you at least see flashes of ability from time to time that made them first round picks. Andersson shows none of that.



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Funny how he outproduced offensive star prospects Tolvanen, Kostin and Necas this season in the AHL despite having a worse season than last year haha.
 
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ijuka said:
We've seen time and time again that for European players, the success rate is the highest if they play at home until they're NHL ready, without going to AHL in between. I wonder when NHL teams will learn.
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He played good in the AHL last year
 
Kaako Kappo said:
He was picked at #7. Tolvanen #30. He doesn't get to have the same expectations.
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Lias Andersson also isn't an offensive prospect. He's a 2-way player who has a much more balanced skillset. Tolvanen was touted as the "next Ovechkin" by some after his KHL season where he was a product of a great team.

And draft position doesn't really matter after the draft.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Lias Andersson also isn't an offensive prospect. He's a 2-way player who has a much more balanced skillset. Tolvanen was touted as the "next Ovechkin" by some after his KHL season where he was a product of a great team.

And draft position doesn't really matter after the draft.
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Yeah, i dunno anything about his season. Just pointing that out. His point totals don't seem too bad for a young prospect...

"Touted as the next Ovechkin"

Would've be nice if you left the absurd bs out.
 
Two full seasons in North America post-draft and only the players picked ahead of him have made a real impact at the NHL level. Even Mittelstadt has been up-and-down throughout his entire season.

Way too early to write these kids off. It's the same BS you heard with Wahlstrom. Just because a few top-5 picks in the NHL are immediately able to hold their own at 18 or 19, doesn't mean those in the minors from the same draft class have stalled or are failures.

Andersson has shown flashes, albeit in very small shift-by-shift sample sizes. Took Henrik Zetterberg three years to make his NHL debut post-draft because he stayed in Sweden. Nobody would be complaining about Andersson if he was 15-15-30 for Frolunda as a draft+2
 
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ijuka said:
We've seen time and time again that for European players, the success rate is the highest if they play at home until they're NHL ready, without going to AHL in between. I wonder when NHL teams will learn.
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AHL sucks for development. I cant think of many swedes that became a star player in nhl after developing in ahl.
 
I'm so mad at NYR.

Everyone knows Lias is a future Horvat. Same player.

Why would you call him up in the middle of the season to play him on the 4th line? Nothing useful in doing that.

He was playing pro before NHL. Not like he doesn't know what it is.

They wasted a full NHL year on him.

If he's not in the top 9 next year full time, that's it. He's done in NY.

You need to put this guy in the middle with Ziba and another good forward. He'll do like Horvat. He'll do what Lindblom is doing in PHI right now.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
Two full seasons in North America post-draft and only the players picked ahead of him have made a real impact at the NHL level. Even Mittelstadt has been up-and-down throughout his entire season.

Way too early to write these kids off. It's the same BS you heard with Wahlstrom. Just because a few top-5 picks in the NHL are immediately able to hold their own at 18 or 19, doesn't mean those in the minors from the same draft class have stalled or are failures.

Andersson has shown flashes, albeit in very small shift-by-shift sample sizes. Took Henrik Zetterberg three years to make his NHL debut post-draft because he stayed in Sweden. Nobody would be complaining about Andersson if he was 15-15-30 for Frolunda as a draft+2
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His play in his 2nd stint in the AHL was not good but I thought he looked good with Buch/Chytil then Buch/Lemieux. However, I guess Quinn disagreed and put Howden with them
 
Kaako Kappo said:
Forsberg. Arvidsson
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Forsberg played like 40 games in ahl.

My point still stands, statisical data is terrible. There are like 80 swedes in ahl right now. 1% might turn into a decent player.

The best swedes has always stayed in shl.

Forsberg
Alfredsson
Lidstrom
Backstrom
Pettersson
Sedins
Naslund
Sundin
 
he'll get more chances next season, I don't think NYR want to go with Strome at 2C long-term. He'll battle with Howden for 3C and eventually 2C, just gotta be patient.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Tolvanen was touted as the "next Ovechkin" by some after his KHL season
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The only mention I found is that it reminds them of Ovechkin when he sets up on the dot and everyone knows he's going to shoot the one timer but no one can stop it. To me that's not him being "touted the next Ovechkin by some". Reminds me of Suomikiekko headlines.

Back in 2017 summer I said that I thought that Lias Andersson has 3rd line center potential in NHL and got roasted for it. But that's looking pretty solid now.
 
Vesperia said:
Forsberg played like 40 games in ahl.

My point still stands, statisical data is terrible. There are like 80 swedes in ahl right now. 1% might turn into a decent player.

The best swedes has always stayed in shl.

Forsberg
Alfredsson
Lidstrom
Backstrom
Pettersson
Sedins
Naslund
Sundin
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the best prospects typically skip the AHL entirely. Even the ones from north america, the best guys don't need more seasoning.
 
Phenomenon13 said:
the best prospects typically skip the AHL entirely. Even the ones from north america, the best guys don't need more seasoning.
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Sure. The thing with swedish players, though, is that way too many tends to leave the SHL too early. I totally get that GMs in the NHL wants more control our their players, but most of the young swedes that crosses the pond and ends up in the NHL havnt fully developed into 'stars' in the SHL before they do, meaning that their offensive game isnt where it should be - which also leads to them taking up 2nd or 3rd-line roles in the AHL, instead of getting 1st line-minutes and PP-time in the SHL, finetuning their offensive skills.

Lias is a great example of that. He didnt really stand out in the SHL before he left. You could see the potential, but he didnt 'carry' Frölunda in any way, like Johnsson did for example. A lot of other swedes (Krüger, Josefsson, Tedenby etc etc) showed promise in the SHL, went early over the atlantic and ended up on defensive lines, since their offense wasnt enough for top 6-forwards. Since most swedes are easily coached and are good two-way players, they tend to be used differently though.

Jury's still out on Lias of course. Hope he turns it around.
 
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A few have mentioned how not many players drafted after Andersson are NHL stars already. That’s completely missing the point. Andersson was over-drafted at the time, it’s looking like that now as well, and he’s not developing well.

No one called him a bust, but it’s not a good situation for the Rangers. How can anyone try to spin this situation?
 
Peeps said:
I'm so mad at NYR.

Everyone knows Lias is a future Horvat. Same player.

Why would you call him up in the middle of the season to play him on the 4th line? Nothing useful in doing that.

He was playing pro before NHL. Not like he doesn't know what it is.

They wasted a full NHL year on him.

If he's not in the top 9 next year full time, that's it. He's done in NY.

You need to put this guy in the middle with Ziba and another good forward. He'll do like Horvat. He'll do what Lindblom is doing in PHI right now.
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You are significantly overrating him. He has nowhere near the hockey talent that Horvat does.

KirkAlbuquerque said:
he'll get more chances next season, I don't think NYR want to go with Strome at 2C long-term. He'll battle with Howden for 3C and eventually 2C, just gotta be patient.
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I don’t think either are going to be good enough to be a 2C on a playoff contender. It’s also unlikely that Zibanejad is a 1C on a Cup winner. I think the team needs a 1C, move Zibanejad down to 2C, Andersson plays wing on Howden’s line.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
You are significantly overrating him. He has nowhere near the hockey talent that Horvat does.
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Pretty sure he can be a 2C in the NHL while producing 50 to 60 pts each year. While playing PK and PP. Just a complete forward. What Horvat is now.

Maybe Lias doesn't have the same raw talent as Bo, but he can do what he's doing now, if the coaches puts him in the top 6 with good offensive players.
 
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