Laine, Werenski, and Gaudreau have been all-stars. And the latter was 2 years removed from a 115 point season. Are we going to pretend these players didn't exist? Zach Werenski has 52 points this season in an injury-riddled 65 games. The Ducks highest scoring D has 34 points in 76 games. This offseason the Jackets were one of the teams most hockey "experts" believed were going to take a major step. Gaudreau was going into his 2nd season and was more familiar with the team. Laine and Werenski were healthy. The D was bolstered with Severson and Provorov. And the hot shot youngsters were expected to add a jot of excitement with Fanatilli, Johnson, and Marchenko.
How is Fantilli's 27 points in 49gp (0.55 ppg) twice the scoring rate of Carlsson's 26 points in 50gp (0.52ppg)?
I really thought Fantilli would outscore Carlsson with quite a lot. Specialy goals. But overall i dont think any of the two outdone the other. I belive Carlsson has more gears, but who knows, he might never reach them.
Who cares? As long as there's special teams, and players expected to take on versatile roles throughout their careers, why would we isolate a specific stat and use that to compare two players who played 49 and 50 games respectively as rookies? That's as absurd as saying, "Carlsson has tripled Fantilli's goals on the PP so he's a special teams dynamo and Fantilli shouldn't sniff the PP."
That's great that you use it. You can use any tool to measure, or have any opinion of, any player you like. But that doesn't mean it carries more weight than other measurements and opinions.
Michkov would've scored.
| 2023-24 | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | GP | G | A | Pts | +/- | PP G | PP A | PP Pts | ES G | ES A | ES Pts | |
| Carlsson | 51 | 12 | 16 | 28 | -9 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 9 | 11 | 20 | |
| Fantilli | 49 | 12 | 15 | 27 | -21 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 11 | 13 | 24 |
I don't think it will. If we believe the word on the street, Michkov was only interested in playing in Philly (or with a select few teams) and that he wasn't interested in the Ducks. And, if that's true, then the Ducks would have been insane to draft him ahead of Carlsson, unless they were confident they could convince him to sign or felt they could flip him for a trade return better than Carlsson (highly unlikely).
Well, if the NHL is going to remove penalties, then we should revisit. Until then, I don't know how it's fair to isolate overall production to one stat, when we can just look at the offense overall lol. PPs happen and PP goals can win games just as much as a 5v5 goal, no?
Got it now......you were somehow ''offended'' by that and now you feel the need to totally downgrade Fantilli.
Michkov could be a top 5 player in the league and it wouldn't make a difference in the world to me. He wanted to play in a big market and Anaheim aint it. I would much rather take the safe-bet big #1 center who will spend his whole career here over Michkov who legit may have never stepped foot in Anaheim.
I’m just excited about the ducks and sharks matchup in about 2-3 years…. Should be a lot of fun. I hate the debates on fantilli michkov carlsson…. It’s getting old real quick … all 3 will be solid players. Hope they all pan out and are very successful.
