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C Jean-Luc Foudy - Windsor Spitfires, OHL (2020, 75th, COL)

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Yeah, an elite first step, which allows you to clear checks, is more important than the longer distance.
 
As teams figured out his style of play he became more of a shooter, hopefully he stays as a center and develops his game over the summer so he can have a big next season.
 
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ConnorMcMullet said:
I'm not much of an advanced stats guy, but Foudy's advanced stats in terms of playmaking are ridiculously good. He puts more pucks into high-danger scoring areas than any other player in the draft class.
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When you’re routinely that far away from goal, what other choice do you have?
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
So, 2 years later (almost). What kind of player he is today?.
vs other prospects, his brother, etc. etc.
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Aside from them both being very fast and athletic, he's pretty different from his brother. Liam Foudy is a better 2-way player and has a higher floor, and Jean-Luc Foudy is a better passer and offensive player and has a higher ceiling. I quite like both of them.
 
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I think he's a lot better than Liam.

It's interesting how much perception, and playing well at the right time shifts draft position.

Jean-Luc is much more talented. He possess top 6 level vision, puck skills and hockey IQ that his brother doesn't have. He also has skating edges that Liam doesn't have. Liam is an excellent skater, but he's more the type of Grabner, Helm, Kreider straight line skater than Jean-Luc whose a McDavid, J. Hughes type of every direction elite skater. His numbers all along have been better than Liam, and thats because he's a much better offensive player. Jean-Luc's U17 numbers were actually better than Liam's U18 numbers. Thats how much better of an offensive player he is.

Their draft seasons went very different. Liam played a small role on a very good team, and his scoring increased later in the season. No one had any real idea that he had big offensive potential, but he was such a fast skater, and all it took was one team to bet on the skating. It got him picked 18th. He was a huge late riser. Jean-Luc put up better numbers than Liam did on a worse team, but he was expected to have a much better season than he had.

I don't think bad play is the only explanation for his disappointing season. He missed some games due to injury, he played through an injury, and his counting numbers are a little low for his advanced stats production, which indicates he might've not had the best fortune this season. If his assist numbest were 15 higher, his production would look pretty good, and he'd be a definite first round pick. Don't discount that good or bad fortune plays a role.

It's interesting to see where the two brothers will be in 10 years. Jean-Luc will not be picked anywhere near where Liam was though. Liam was a late riser who was probably over-drafted due to his speed. Jean-Luc was a known quantity for years whose draft stock will suffer because his game has been picked apart a little too much. I'd suspect that Jean-Luc ends up the much better player because I don't see an area of the game where Liam is more than marginally better, and I see many areas where Jean-Luc is much better than Liam, but I could end up being wrong.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I think he's a lot better than Liam.

It's interesting how much perception, and playing well at the right time shifts draft position.

Jean-Luc is much more talented. He possess top 6 level vision, puck skills and hockey IQ that his brother doesn't have. He also has skating edges that Liam doesn't have. Liam is an excellent skater, but he's more the type of Grabner, Helm, Kreider straight line skater than Jean-Luc whose a McDavid, J. Hughes type of every direction elite skater. His numbers all along have been better than Liam, and thats because he's a much better offensive player. Jean-Luc's U17 numbers were actually better than Liam's U18 numbers. Thats how much better of an offensive player he is.

Their draft seasons went very different. Liam played a small role on a very good team, and his scoring increased later in the season. No one had any real idea that he had big offensive potential, but he was such a fast skater, and all it took was one team to bet on the skating. It got him picked 18th. He was a huge late riser. Jean-Luc put up better numbers than Liam did on a worse team, but he was expected to have a much better season than he had.

I don't think bad play is the only explanation for his disappointing season. He missed some games due to injury, he played through an injury, and his counting numbers are a little low for his advanced stats production, which indicates he might've not had the best fortune this season. If his assist numbest were 15 higher, his production would look pretty good, and he'd be a definite first round pick. Don't discount that good or bad fortune plays a role.

It's interesting to see where the two brothers will be in 10 years. Jean-Luc will not be picked anywhere near where Liam was though. Liam was a late riser who was probably over-drafted due to his speed. Jean-Luc was a known quantity for years whose draft stock will suffer because his game has been picked apart a little too much. I'd suspect that Jean-Luc ends up the much better player because I don't see an area of the game where Liam is more than marginally better, and I see many areas where Jean-Luc is much better than Liam, but I could end up being wrong.
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If he is alot better than Liam do you have him in your top 10?
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Jean-Luc is much more talented. He possess top 6 level vision, puck skills and hockey IQ that his brother doesn't have. He also has skating edges that Liam doesn't have. Liam is an excellent skater, but he's more the type of Grabner, Helm, Kreider straight line skater than Jean-Luc whose a McDavid, J. Hughes type of every direction elite skater. His numbers all along have been better than Liam, and thats because he's a much better offensive player. Jean-Luc's U17 numbers were actually better than Liam's U18 numbers. Thats how much better of an offensive player he is.
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I agree, but Liam is also the better defensive player, which is why I think he has the higher floor and Jean-Luc had the higher ceiling. Liam Foudy strikes me as a very good bet to become a Grabner-esque player but unlikely to become more than that, and Jean-Luc is more of a wild-card that could become a tremendous player if everything goes right.
 
Liam is significantly better defensively and much much stronger at the same age. Liam also has a better shot, is a faster skater and definitely has a higher floor. JL is by far the better playmaker and has better stick skills and has a higher ceiling. Hockey IQ is questioned for both by a lot of NHL scouts. Both are good kids, well liked by teammates and coaches.
 
ConnorMcMullet said:
I agree, but Liam is also the better defensive player, which is why I think he has the higher floor and Jean-Luc had the higher ceiling. Liam Foudy strikes me as a very good bet to become a Grabner-esque player but unlikely to become more than that, and Jean-Luc is more of a wild-card that could become a tremendous player if everything goes right.
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If he’s better defensively, it’s marginally. I don’t see Liam as a defensive ace and Jean-Luc as a defensive sieve. I think we are talking about two guys that are a lot closer to the average defensive player than anything on either extreme.

I’m not even sure Liam has a higher floor because I don’t know that he’s currently a better hockey player. If Jean-Luc didn’t have a disappointing season, I don’t even think this would be a question. But these are still all prospects. Their development ebbs and flows. I think people have pegged Jean-Luc irrationally.
 
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If he’s better defensively, it’s marginally. I don’t see Liam as a defensive ace and Jean-Luc as a defensive sieve. I think we are talking about two guys that are a lot closer to the average defensive player than anything on either extreme.

I’m not even sure Liam has a higher floor because I don’t know that he’s currently a better hockey player. If Jean-Luc didn’t have a disappointing season, I don’t even think this would be a question. But these are still all prospects. Their development ebbs and flows. I think people have pegged Jean-Luc irrationally.
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I think we rate Liam Foudy's defensive game differently then. I think he's excellent defensively.

I agree about Jean-Luc.
 
Saw about 8 Spit games live this year. While I think JL Foudy is an exciting player, he was frustrating to watch. Countless times he will skate in, full-speed ahead, without really having any strategic vision. How many games did I see him enter the zone and go "around the world", only to finally look up when it's too late? Teammates have a tough time reading him, and mostly just wait for him to do something. Great speed, though.

I'll also add that, as a London fan, I have similar issues with his brother's play. Selfish and myopic vision.

There are NHL teams that are good at developing players like this. Not all teams do it well (my Habs, for example) So he's gonna bring a ton of value to someone who can harness him properly.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Liam was over-drafted, so I don’t understand how you’ve decided that.

I have Jean-Luc in the first round. I have him higher than nearly everyone.
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Liam Foudy is an absolute stud. Going to be a very good NHL player. You really need to start watching more OHL. He was one of Canadas best forwards. Even got called up to the NHL and played well. Over drafted?! Good grief.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I think he's a lot better than Liam.

It's interesting how much perception, and playing well at the right time shifts draft position.

Jean-Luc is much more talented. He possess top 6 level vision, puck skills and hockey IQ that his brother doesn't have. He also has skating edges that Liam doesn't have. Liam is an excellent skater, but he's more the type of Grabner, Helm, Kreider straight line skater than Jean-Luc whose a McDavid, J. Hughes type of every direction elite skater. His numbers all along have been better than Liam, and thats because he's a much better offensive player. Jean-Luc's U17 numbers were actually better than Liam's U18 numbers. Thats how much better of an offensive player he is.

Their draft seasons went very different. Liam played a small role on a very good team, and his scoring increased later in the season. No one had any real idea that he had big offensive potential, but he was such a fast skater, and all it took was one team to bet on the skating. It got him picked 18th. He was a huge late riser. Jean-Luc put up better numbers than Liam did on a worse team, but he was expected to have a much better season than he had.

I don't think bad play is the only explanation for his disappointing season. He missed some games due to injury, he played through an injury, and his counting numbers are a little low for his advanced stats production, which indicates he might've not had the best fortune this season. If his assist numbest were 15 higher, his production would look pretty good, and he'd be a definite first round pick. Don't discount that good or bad fortune plays a role.

It's interesting to see where the two brothers will be in 10 years. Jean-Luc will not be picked anywhere near where Liam was though. Liam was a late riser who was probably over-drafted due to his speed. Jean-Luc was a known quantity for years whose draft stock will suffer because his game has been picked apart a little too much. I'd suspect that Jean-Luc ends up the much better player because I don't see an area of the game where Liam is more than marginally better, and I see many areas where Jean-Luc is much better than Liam, but I could end up being wrong.
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I’m a spitfires season ticket holder and i watch every spits game; i’m probably the biggest Foudy homer on these boards. but saying he has top-6 hockey iq is a stretch.

Jean-Luc is better than his brother at the same age, no doubt about it. however he doesn’t have good decision making. so many times you’ll find him holding onto the puck for far too long and making a stupid pass/turnover because of it. he’s gotten better since last year but it still happens game after game.

When he doesn’t have the puck he often just floats in the offensive zone, not doing much to get into a better scoring position or being able to receive a pass.

I don’t see him as anything more than an Andrew Cogliano at the next level. Fast, can put up some points and a good PKer, if you’re expecting anything else you’re in for a world of disappointment.

Here’s how i would evaluate his game like TSN does at the draft
Skating: 6/5 (Best in the draft without a doubt, wish he would create more offence with it however)
Hands: 3/5
Smarts: 2/5
Shot: 3/5
Compete Level: 5/5 (Gives it his all shift after shift)
 
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