Beerz
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Most definitely. As prospects.
Lindros failed to live up to his Generational billing. Looks like Crosby is going to as well....tho he still has time.
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Most definitely. As prospects.
Lindros failed to live up to his Generational billing. Looks like Crosby is going to as well....tho he still has time.
He won a Hart before he got his concussions, but I can agree to an extent. The league hasn't really had a player so much better than everyone else since Gretzky and Lemieux. I'd say Eichel talent wise is much closer to the Tavares tier and all the guys I listed would be taken above him as prospects and I don't think this a rare opinion.
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Hart is great. The fact of the matter is his career was ruined due to injuries. Sure you can make a case of what might have been... but it didn't work out. Crosby is in the same boat..injuries have really put a damper on what started out as a sure thing career.
I think Eichel talent wise is on another level from (prospect) Tavares. Elite IQ and heart is Tavares biggest strengths .. Eichel has those in spades even if we agree it favors Tavares. Eichels physical attributes along with skating ability tip the scales quite easily in Eichels favor for me.
So if we just look at pure hockey ability and not factor "hype" and statistics ..I take Eichel easily over all since Crosby (except McDavid)
True, perfectly reasonable opinion. I would just put him in the Tavares tier even if he was atop it as I think there is a much greater divide between McDavid/Crosby to Eichel than Eichel to MacKinnon, Tavares and Stamkos.
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I'm convinced.
The guy is obviously not the same player he was. He lost his dominance luster.
Still the best player in the game today but he isn't in GOAT discussion anymore.
He still has a chance to get there as he's still fairly young... but he's certainly hit a speed bump over the past few years.
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I think Lindros met his hype, what little time he played, when it came to physically dominating the game, points, not so much.
Crosby I think had met his hype when it came to the combination of using his physical toolset and IQ of the game. However, I think the point-capable ability hasn't been matched.
I think Eichel is as physically and mentally ready to play in the league as Tavares was and possibly even more when considering his skating ability.
I have no problem saying Eichel is in Tavares' level and it could be true and that's noting to scoff at. Looking back at when Tavares' draft and where he was, I think Eichel is right there with his skating edging JT.
Now it's arguable with how close Crosby is to that tier of talent. I think Crosby is the best player in the league, but the gap vs everyone else isn't as much as most people like to say it is.
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Actually, his ppg during his prime was elite if I recall correctly, and I often do not.
IMHO if Eichel was in the same draft as Tavares I can't see Tavares going ahead of him, bearing in mind the skating concerns Tavares carried at draft day.
I agree with those who say that Eichel would have gone 1st in any draft going back to Crosby...and of course exluding McDavid. To my low standards, that should qualify him as a generational talent. I think he would have given Ovechkin a run for his money too.
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You would be correct, but unfortunately his injuries has really derailed his ability, and at the age, which I would say players should be in top form, he has slowed down. Sure it would be fun to play the what-if game and imagine where he would be if he stayed healthy, but when saying what these players have accomplished you have to take what the numbers give you.
This is a guy who was hyped as the guy to break Gretzky's numbers, but injuries have slowed him down where he will most likely not be able to catch him. He has not matched the hype, and it's not his fault in a way.
Yes, that is why he didn't reach his generational talent. Eric would have been generational if not for the concussions. He was the best power forward I ever watched.
Since Gretz and Mario, Lindross was the 1st one I had seen literally dominate games. Literally impose his will on teams. I have seen it in spurts from other players since the big E but not to the same level.
Now regarding J.T and Eichel thats a tough one. J.T was on the radar well before Jack was. J.T was given exceptional status and followed that up with amazing #'s. However based on Eichel's play he is every bit as good or better than J.T was his draft year. J.T had more hype tho.
This draft is such an insane draft cuz it has 1 Crosby level, 1 J.T level, 1 Kane level and what ever Strome's level is all are 1st oa level
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Lindros never really failed to live up to it, injuries thanks to Stevens dirty hit IMO caused the downfall of Lindros it was not his lack of dominance or talent because of his years before he got a career changing hit from Stevens he was probably the best player in the NHL hence he won the Hart trophy at a young age and was destined for more. His physical and skill lead to a whole decade of teams only looking for bigger players who could skate and had strength to all try to find their own Lindros, to me he was far away from failing to live up to the hype, he came as billed, nothing a guy can do if he gets a dirty hit and is never the same..........not sure how Crosby is not living up to the hype, gone are the days of any player putting up 150 to 200 point seasons, McDavid and Crosby are in times where goaltending is better, the science of the game is takent to levels not seen back in the 80s, guys like Crosby and McDavid now have to fend for themselves on the ice when Gretzky had guys like McSorley, Samenko and other players would not touch them, Crosby has to fight for every inch of space and grind it out in the corners unlike a player like Gretzky ever had to...Crosby had a down year last year but was still in the tops in the league in scoring, the kid has been nothing but doinant his whole career so far and already won a cup and has a hart trophy and he will have another one.....If people think even McDavid's points are going to match more Gretzky they are in for let downs, the game is changed so much, it is more scientific now, bigger, faster, players are wayyy smarter, training is at a new level...
In my opinion Lindros lived up to the hype, and Crosby has came in as billed.
As fir Eichel this year I think he will be in the McDavid tier of guys.
Toronto does have the best fans
yeah man compare an entire fanbase to one crazed fanboy.
(whatever team you like) really does have the best fans
you're almost as bad as the Marner fan
Funny thing is, you can't argue any of what I said. He is better in all those areas. Glad it opened your eyes a bit. I'm not saying hes better, but he isn't far off, at all. And yes, north/south he is faster. Eichel's stride is absurd.
Another cue that you don't know much about Eichel is that he can potentially be a defensive star. His positioning and stick-work in the defensive zone are two of his best attributes as a center.
I mean McDavid just has so little on Eichel, I'm amazed no one would have even considered Eichel at #1.
McD has only agility, hands, and vision on Eichel! Eichel must blow McD out of the water but as you said "no one wants to admit it". McDavid's the fastest skater I've ever seen live, but evidently Eichel is faster according to you. McDavid's stick and speed make him one of the most impressive forecheckers I've seen, even at 18. I'll take your word for it though
Eichel fast but i don't think he's even north/south faster than McDavid. The only advantage skating he has would be his balance/strength to not be pushed off the puck.
I mean McDavid just has so little on Eichel, I'm amazed no one would have even considered Eichel at #1.
McD has only agility, hands, and vision on Eichel! Eichel must blow McD out of the water but as you said "no one wants to admit it". McDavid's the fastest skater I've ever seen live, but evidently Eichel is faster according to you. McDavid's stick and speed make him one of the most impressive forecheckers I've seen, even at 18. I'll take your word for it though
It's his opinion....why so defensive?
How many times have you seen Eiche play outside of WJC?
Lots of bias in your posts.
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Winning a Hart doesn't make you generational. Lindros was never big enough to be a household name here in Sweden, sure many people who know hockey know he exists and Legion of Doom is fairly famous thanks to Renberg being swedish, but I've never heard anyone even say the name "Eric Lindros" irl.
If I would say "Eric Lindros" to the average hockey fan here I'd get a "yea I've heard that name before", and as great as Lindros was, imo that response isn't what I would expect if I said a generational players name.
He was arguably the biggest prospect in the history of modern hockey and his first couple years in the league were elite. He was the next face of the NHL, surprised he never reached household status in Sweden (I have no idea who else reached it) but even though Bobby Clark was a bit over the top their was a reason he was given the "C" on the 1998 Nagano team (a mistake) and was the 1st/2nd line center on a team with Gretzky, Yzerman and Sakic. Lindros had the craziest package of skill I've seen basically a Thornton/Lucic hybred with an elite shot.
I mean McDavid just has so little on Eichel, I'm amazed no one would have even considered Eichel at #1.
McD has only agility, hands, and vision on Eichel! Eichel must blow McD out of the water but as you said "no one wants to admit it". McDavid's the fastest skater I've ever seen live, but evidently Eichel is faster according to you. McDavid's stick and speed make him one of the most impressive forecheckers I've seen, even at 18. I'll take your word for it though
You need to watch more Jack Eichel. There are several areas where he is currently ahead of McDavid. I don't think it makes him the better prospect, but there is a reason he tore apart the NCAA at such a young age.
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I'm guessing size, shot, and strength. I don't agree that Eichel is faster in a straight line, and I don't agree that either one is better defensively than the other (don't know how each will develop in the future, but for right now, they are about even to me).
Other than that, I don't see where Eichel has an edge.
