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nbwingsfan said:
It hasnt even been 10 games yet, lets not get too ahead of ourself yet.

Also, Tavares scored 72 goals and 134 points at 16. McDavod scored 28 goals and 99points at 16.

Still not as good as a prospect as Tavares IMO.
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So stats at 16 are somehow more important then at age 17/18? Tavares 'only' scored 104 points in his draft year, which was also his 4th year in the league. McDavid is definitely going to eclipse 104 points this year. Does that automatically make him a better prospect? I wouldn't necessarily say so but bringing up the fact that Tavares scored more points as a 16 year old does not make him a better prospect.
 
HockeyGuy1975 said:
You're evidence is some random poster's comment about Daigle? What a joke. Did you watch him play? I watched him play many times as an 18 year old.

You don't know what you're talking about and you're looking to recoup your bruised ego. Sorry pal.
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Anyone who is talking about Alexandre Daigle as someone with strong hockey sense and average skating is pretty much off. Daigle always had speed to burn and didn't look like he knew where to go. When the Sens braintrust tried to encourage him to harness his straightaway speed towards the net, he broke his forearm.

Sorry, pal.
 
Tralfamadore said:
So stats at 16 are somehow more important then at age 17/18? Tavares 'only' scored 104 points in his draft year, which was also his 4th year in the league. McDavid is definitely going to eclipse 104 points this year. Does that automatically make him a better prospect? I wouldn't necessarily say so but bringing up the fact that Tavares scored more points as a 16 year old does not make him a better prospect.
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It was quite obvious to everyone watching tavares during his last season that he couldn't have cared less about being there anymore. It wasn't until he was traded to London that he started to give a damn again. He was also strongly encouraged by his coaches to improve his defensive game since it was already obvious at 16 that he was the best offensive player in the CHL.
 
nbwingsfan said:
It was quite obvious to everyone watching tavares during his last season that he couldn't have cared less about being there anymore. It wasn't until he was traded to London that he started to give a damn again. He was also strongly encouraged by his coaches to improve his defensive game since it was already obvious at 16 that he was the best offensive player in the CHL.
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Why give excuses to Tavares for his lack of production in his draft year? Is that supposed to be a positive characteristic for a prospect?

So far, mcdavid has been the better 17 year old. He is carrying the Otters right now, a team that was not projected to be a top team this year.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Why give excuses to Tavares for his lack of production in his draft year? Is that supposed to be a positive characteristic for a prospect?

So far, mcdavid has been the better 17 year old. He is carrying the Otters right now, a team that was not projected to be a top team this year.
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After 9 games? Sure.

Tavares best season was over a goal per game and 134 points.. we'll see if McDavid can out do that.

Also, yes I couldn't care less if Tavares gave half effort during his draft year since it clearly hasn't hurt him at the NHL level and he is known to have one of the best work ethics in the entire league.
 
nbwingsfan said:
After 9 games? Sure.

Tavares best season was over a goal per game and 134 points.. we'll see if McDavid can out do that.

Also, yes I couldn't care less if Tavares gave half effort during his draft year since it clearly hasn't hurt him at the NHL level and he is known to have one of the best work ethics in the entire league.
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134 points is definitely doable and that's even with Mcdavid missing time at the WJC, Tavares didn't play there as a 16 year old. Mcdavid is a past first player though, so he probably won't be near on the goal per game that Tavares had, but I'd expect him to destroy the 62 assists he had the 134 point season.
 
skip2mybordeleau said:
134 points is definitely doable, Mcdavid is a past first player though, so he probably won't be near on the goal per game that Tavares had, but I'd expect him to destroy the 62 assists he had the 134 point season.
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Its definitely doable, I actually think he beats it to be honest. Seems to be easier to put up points as a pass first player rather than a shoot first player (not that there's anothing wrong with being either, just pointing that out).
 
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nbwingsfan said:
After 9 games? Sure.

Tavares best season was over a goal per game and 134 points.. we'll see if McDavid can out do that.

Also, yes I couldn't care less if Tavares gave half effort during his draft year since it clearly hasn't hurt him at the NHL level and he is known to have one of the best work ethics in the entire league.
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But as a prospect, you'd have no way of knowing if Tavares would pan out at the NHL level. At this point, McDavid is the better prospect than Tavares was.
 
what was the goals per game average in the Q in Crosby's draft year compared to what it has been in OHL in the recent years?
 
Crosbylsmalkin said:
what was the goals per game average in the Q in Crosby's draft year compared to what it has been in OHL in the recent years?
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Pre lock out it was probably quite similar, I think this argument has actually been had in earlier McDavid threads and the Q scoring was around the same as it is now back then which is very similar to the current OHL.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Why is that? Because he's had a really good 9 games?
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No, because he is much much better skater than Tavares was, arguably the most critical skill needed to translate well to the NHL. I'd also say he's got better hands and passing ability as well.

We don't even know if he's had a "really good" 9 games or not. What's to say he doesn't have a better rest of the year, making his start look slow?

What would make Tavares the better prospect, other than the fact that he had a really good 16 year old season and then was unable to improve on that?
 
I'll admit that I haven't seen much of McDavid but from what I have seen he looks like the real deal. He's such an explosive player. Great skater, great playmaker and outstanding hockey IQ. I haven't see his shot so I'm not sure how great it is but I'm sure it's fine. The thing that stands out to me is how he dominates everyone else on the ice. I've seen a few videos where he makes goalies and defenders look foolish.

As far as who the better prospect was between McDavid and Tavares right now I would have to say it is close but with a slight edge to McDavid. JT was an outstanding prospect but I never saw him absolutely dominate play like I've seen McDavid do. He is a lot closer to Crosby as a prospect than Tavares was.
 
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Stephen said:
Anyone who is talking about Alexandre Daigle as someone with strong hockey sense and average skating is pretty much off. Daigle always had speed to burn and didn't look like he knew where to go. When the Sens braintrust tried to encourage him to harness his straightaway speed towards the net, he broke his forearm.

Sorry, pal.
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Yeah, Daigle's wheels were outrageous. Beautiful stride, covered as much ground as he wanted. Very effortless skater. Muffin shot, though. I never saw the playmaking he was supposed to have, but the skating was an obvious, obvious strength.

More overlap with him and Esposito. Don't see it with McDavid. To me, McDavid looks like a slicker Malkin with less size and a weaker shot.
 
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billybudd said:
Yeah, Daigle's wheels were outrageous. Beautiful stride, covered as much ground as he wanted. Very effortless skater. Muffin shot, though. I never saw the playmaking he was supposed to have, but the skating was an obvious, obvious strength.

More overlap with him and Esposito. Don't see it with McDavid. To me, McDavid looks like a slicker Malkin with less size and a weaker shot.
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I like McDavid's vision more than Malkin. And if you mean he seems to play effortlessly by "slicker" than I agree. Gunna be a tonne of fun to watch at the NHL level.

Malkin is more of a "do it yourself" player that I don't see in McDavid. To me, McDavid is almost a Gretzky-lite. Unassuming frame, and isn't too flashy, but just puts up points like it's nobody's business.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
No, because he is much much better skater than Tavares was, arguably the most critical skill needed to translate well to the NHL. I'd also say he's got better hands and passing ability as well.

We don't even know if he's had a "really good" 9 games or not. What's to say he doesn't have a better rest of the year, making his start look slow?

What would make Tavares the better prospect, other than the fact that he had a really good 16 year old season and then was unable to improve on that?
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*Had one of the best 16 year old season in OHL history you mean? As of now McDavid hasn't hit 100 points, Tavares did it 3 times.

Also, his career high season in the OHL was 72 goals and 134 points, McDavid's was 20 something goals and 99 points.

Right now Tavares' career high kills McDavid's. Will McDavid come close or pass him this season? Most likely, and he should if hes a better prospect like you say he is, but as of now he hasn't shown the same offensive outpout that Tavares displayed.

Also, Tavares focused much more on becoming a more defensive player and being NHL ready rather than putting up useless points in 7-0 games in the OHL. This had been noted by his coach and scouts during his last 2 years in the OHL, which is the reasoning for the drop in production until he got traded to a contender again.

Finally, while McDavid is definitely faster, and he has better hands if you mean dekes, Tavares has many qualities that he beats McDavid at.

It is very debatable that skating is the most critical skill to translate at the NHL level as there have been countless examples of kids with speed to burn who coundn't cut it, while many more "slow" players who became stars.

IMO Tavares has better "hands" in the sense that he could finish goals better than almost any prospect I've ever seen. His hands around the net and in the slot were NHL star calibre by age 16.

Its definitely a close call between the two of them, I just haven't seen anything out of McDavid as of yet (besides these 9 games) which indicates he would be a better prospect/player than Tavares was.

I think people forget just how good Tavares was in the OHL, he was being compared to Crosby (and Gretzky sadly) in the same sense that McDavid is now. It'll happen again with the next great 15 year old that comes along as well.
 
Bure All Day said:
I like McDavid's vision more than Malkin. And if you mean he seems to play effortlessly by "slicker" than I agree. Gunna be a tonne of fun to watch at the NHL level.

Malkin is more of a "do it yourself" player that I don't see in McDavid. To me, McDavid is almost a Gretzky-lite. Unassuming frame, and isn't too flashy, but just puts up points like it's nobody's business.
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Well, they both handle the puck sort of the same way. Light touch at the end of their sticks and quick movements that aren't particularly telegraphed. Malkin probably does hold onto it longer and has more of the bull in a china shop in his game. Tentatively, I don't think you're wrong to wonder if McDavid's vision is better.

But I still think Malkin's probably the closest current stylistic comparable, even with their differences.
 
Erie's playing Niagara at Buffalo's First Niagara Center tonight...

Joe Yerdon @JoeYerdon 5m
McDavid gets the second assist on the goal by DeBrincat. Two scoring opportunities in two shifts for McDavid.

Amy Moritz @amymoritz 2m
McDavid just left the ice and walked back to the locker room.

Amy Moritz @amymoritz 12s
And McDavid has returned to the Erie bench.
 
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Sounds like he already has a 3 pt night at the end of the first
 
3 assists in the first period playing on the 20% chance soon to be home ice
 
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