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C Cole Cassels (2013, 85th, VAN)

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Icebreakers said:
Hes saying if he put up those numbers in his draft year he would go top 10. Thats not a far stretch at all. Not if he was an overager.
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Well that makes sense, but the reality is that he is 2 seasons removed from the draft so it's like saying that ______ would win the Calder if this was his rookie season when it's his 3rd. Pretty odd comment by Button. Why not just flat out say that he has risen up the list of his draft year based on his merits and leave it at that?

Hardyvan123 said:
Still that's a ridiculous comment, to say if he was 2 years younger he would be top 10 this year, how many other guys look better 2 years after their draft year?

The fact of the at least 20 guys in this draft are going to look easily better than Cassels in 2 years years time as well.

Cassles is looking like a good prospect with a 3rd line type of role possibility in the NHL but seriously people need to get some perspective here.
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I don't see how Cassels would go over McEichel, Hanifin, Strome (yes even though he was putrid the last 2 rounds), Marner, Provorov, Werenski, Crouse, Barzal, Rantanen, etc.

I completely agree that some people are really overdoing it and it doesn't help when you have someone like Button making such ridiculous claims.

StrictlyCommercial said:
Not a first rounder. Take a look at the 2013 draft, it was stacked. Cassels moves up for sure, probably to the early 2nd round.

Guys like Bjorkstrand, Duclair, Bertuzzi, Bowey, Petan, Hagg, Compher and De la Rose would also be big movers, likely pushing the weaker first rounders out above Cassels.
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Bingo. I would kill to have a guy like Bowey in the Oilers system. Cassel's still a riser but it's not like everyone else has stood still.

docbenton said:
If we're talking a redraft for 2013 yes he may go from late 1st to early second.

If we're pretending Cassels was 17 this year as in Button's comment, he would be a top 5 pick without doubt, comparable to what Sam Reinhart was last year. Just look at how much he outclassed Dylan Strome.

Also this year is likely not going to be nearly as deep of a draft as 2013.
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Not even close to Reinhart IMO. Dal Colle was 5th overall and outscored Cassels this season. Also Strome outscored both and has size on Cassels even though he was pretty terrible against SSM and Oshawa.

Also this is going to be a very deep draft. Guys like Svechnikov and Bittner may not be drafted until 15-20 or so and I'd easily take either over Cassels. For Cassels to be as hyped as Button is trying to say he'd need to be faster or have elite puck skills IMO. You don't draft a projected 2-3C in the top 10 unless it is a poor draft year and the '15 draft is far from that.
 
Again, if Cole was 17, which hypothetical you seem to be ignoring, he'd project as a #1 center without doubt. Dal Colle would be a year older than him, and Cole would have outperformed him in the playoffs while being a year younger, leading his team to a championship as a draft-eligible player while going head-to-head against McDavid.

His elite element is hockey sense, that's all. And he has that inner intensity. We'll see if that's enough at the next level.
 
docbenton said:
Again, if Cole was 17, which hypothetical you seem to be ignoring, he'd project as a #1 center without doubt. Dal Colle would be a year older than him, and Cole would have outperformed him in the playoffs while being a year younger, leading his team to a championship as a draft-eligible player while going head-to-head against McDavid.

His elite element is hockey sense, that's all. And he has that inner intensity. We'll see if that's enough at the next level.
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The thing is though, stats aside I do not see 1st line talent in him. I know that it's the common thing to look at stats and label a player a potential ______ liner but I don't see a single skill of his that warrants a top 10 pick in this draft or someone that I'd project to be a 1st liner. That is not a slight on him at all, just how I see him. Regardless it's all hypothetical and not based in reality. He is what he is, a very good pick for the 3rd round that is trying to work his way to the NHL and doing a good job of it to date. If you get a 25-30 point 2 way 3C with a 3rd round pick that is a hell of a return IMO and that is what he's projecting to be IMO.
 
Bryanbryoil said:
The thing is though, stats aside I do not see 1st line talent in him. I know that it's the common thing to look at stats and label a player a potential ______ liner but I don't see a single skill of his that warrants a top 10 pick in this draft or someone that I'd project to be a 1st liner. That is not a slight on him at all, just how I see him. Regardless it's all hypothetical and not based in reality. He is what he is, a very good pick for the 3rd round that is trying to work his way to the NHL and doing a good job of it to date. If you get a 25-30 point 2 way 3C with a 3rd round pick that is a hell of a return IMO and that is what he's projecting to be IMO.
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I agree. I see him at best as a 2B, and or a elite 3C, with likely bottom 6 C potential. Which as you say is a great return for a 3rd rounder.
 
OEL for Norris said:
I agree. I see him at best as a 2B, and or a elite 3C, with likely bottom 6 C potential. Which as you say is a great return for a 3rd rounder.
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Yup. Our 3C of the future Anton Lander was a 2nd rounder. To get a guy like this with a late 3rd is tremendous. Sedin-Horvat-Cassels will be a solid 1-2-3 punch down the middle in time.
 
Bryanbryoil said:
Yup. Our 3C of the future Anton Lander was a 2nd rounder. To get a guy like this with a late 3rd is tremendous. Sedin-Horvat-Cassels will be a solid 1-2-3 punch down the middle in time.
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Well said Bryan.

Actually the canucks center depth is looking pretty damn good right now, The rise of cassels is a pretty big deal.

All the canucks need is a true #1 center, but they could go the boston route and get a bunch of #2c #3c guys, who are all two way studs.

Let's take a look at the canucks center depth in the future.

Henrik Sedin (for at least another 3 years)
Bo Horvat (Might be the #2 Center already next year)
Jared McCann (Also had a massive year, not as gritty, more offensive center)
Cole Cassels (Could be a #2 / #3 guy in the future, two way, Jack of all trades guy, elite hockey IQ)
Brendan Gaunce (He will be a NHL 3rd/4th liner, the question is will they move him to the wing like he has this year?)

Now they just need some defense coming, because it's extremely bare.
 
Bryanbryoil said:
Yup. Our 3C of the future Anton Lander was a 2nd rounder. To get a guy like this with a late 3rd is tremendous. Sedin-Horvat-Cassels will be a solid 1-2-3 punch down the middle in time.
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Doubt Henrik will still be playing by the time this guy cracks their lineup. If he is, he will probably be 36/37 as the #1 C?
 
Lucbourdon said:
Well said Bryan.

Actually the canucks center depth is looking pretty damn good right now, The rise of cassels is a pretty big deal.

All the canucks need is a true #1 center, but they could go the boston route and get a bunch of #2c #3c guys, who are all two way studs.

Let's take a look at the canucks center depth in the future.

Henrik Sedin (for at least another 3 years)
Bo Horvat (Might be the #2 Center already next year)
Jared McCann (Also had a massive year, not as gritty, more offensive center)
Cole Cassels (Could be a #2 / #3 guy in the future, two way, Jack of all trades guy, elite hockey IQ)
Brendan Gaunce (He will be a NHL 3rd/4th liner, the question is will they move him to the wing like he has this year?)

Now they just need some defense coming, because it's extremely bare.
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I'm not as familiar with McCann however I can tell you that I have never been a fan of Gaunce and I'd be surprised to see him as anything more than a 4th liner. Having 2 way guys liek Horvat and Cassels will be big for Vancouver going forward considering what Calgary and Edmonton will be lining up down the middle for many years to come.

xlnc66 said:
Doubt Henrik will still be playing by the time this guy cracks their lineup. If he is, he will probably be 36/37 as the #1 C?
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If there are no better options then that's how it goes. Maybe by then Horvat surpasses him and Sedin slides into the 2C spot at ES?
 
Bryanbryoil said:
What do you think his upside is? I can honestly say that I've never been impressed by him. Jensen impressed me in the past as did Connaughton(sp?) but not Gaunce.
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This season he surpassed Jensen.

The comparison people are throwing around for Gaunce is Chris Higgins. Gaunce converted to LW this year as well like Higgins.
 
Bryanbryoil said:
Why can't he be the first man to be both? #GaunceforPMGM
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Having watched Gaunce this year I'd say he's got more than a 50% chance of becoming a contributing NHLer, but I think everyone knows he's going to be a bottom 6 player for most of his career. The question will be whether or not he will a Brooks Laich/Chris Kelly/Travis Moen bottom six player, or just another guy who takes up space. Personally I think he has the potential for becoming a hard working 30-40 pt player who does well in a limited roll.
 
Drew Doubty said:
Personally I think he has the potential for becoming a hard working 30-40 pt player who does well in a limited roll.
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40 points is top six material in this day and age. a lot of good guys who used to be 30/30 are now 20/20 with how tight things are.
 
VeddarRants said:
What's his NHL comparison? Dubinsky?
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Not as tough/physical from what I've seen.

Aqualung said:
Bolland I think is pretty similar.
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I was thinking of him as a comp as well. IMO a poor mans Kesler works best from what I've seen. As he gets older and stronger perhaps he hits that next gear and becomes a Kesler type, that would suck for the other teams in the Pacific division!
 
The best part of Cassels game is his PP vision, he would honestly be one our best pp players already. He'll be in the ahl next season doee
 
Bryanbryoil said:
Not as tough/physical from what I've seen.



I was thinking of him as a comp as well. IMO a poor mans Kesler works best from what I've seen. As he gets older and stronger perhaps he hits that next gear and becomes a Kesler type, that would suck for the other teams in the Pacific division!
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Doesn't have the speed or shot that Kesler does, a Bolland-type would be fair to say is what his nHL ceiling is. Although I'd be a but surprised if he ever scores 20+ in the NHL, but he's a very good playmaker.
 
Nucker101 said:
Doesn't have the speed or shot that Kesler does, a Bolland-type would be fair to say is what his nHL ceiling is. Although I'd be a but surprised if he ever scores 20+ in the NHL, but he's a very good playmaker.
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Agreed, Kesler's speed and shot are superb. If he turns into a healthy version of Bolland that is one hell of a return for you guys.
 
He's been pretty disappointing so far this tournament. Hard to see where all the hype is coming from, looks decisively average every time I watch him.
 
Jyrki Lumme said:
He's been pretty disappointing so far this tournament. Hard to see where all the hype is coming from, looks decisively average every time I watch him.
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Seems to played pretty well to me?, Faceoff assist, good defensively. He will not put up massive numbers everytime.
 
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