C Brett Leason - Prince Albert Raiders, WHL (2019, 56th, WSH)

[McDNicks17]

No, this would be his 19 year old season. His 20 year old season would be his CHL overage season...there is no 21 year old season

16 year old season - 1st year CHL eligible

17 year old season - 2nd year CHL eligible, most people's 1st draft

18 year old season- 3rd year CHL eligible, late birthdays and 1st season overagers draft

19 year old season - 4th year CHL eligible, double overage NHL draft (This is Leason)

20 year old season - 5th year eligible, CHL overagers player (only 3 allowed per team), UFA to whomever in the NHL. They dominate CHL leagues every year am deathly then fade into nothing. This is who you're describing.

Leason played in the U-20's right? A 19 year olds tournament. What does that tell you he's considered this year?

By definition in the CBA, this is his 20 year old season.

 

[BondraTime]

By definition in the CBA, this is his 20 year old season.

Then what you said before made no sense since almost all the top scorers were by guys the same age as Leason. The ones you're describing are a year older than him. That would be their 21 year old season using your definition . As we know, that doesn't exist in the CHL. It's how old you were before the turning of the new year, Leason was 19.

How literally every single person involved in hockey would describe it this is his 19 year old season. Anyone who's been involved in the CHL or CJHL as a player, scout, management, etc. knows this isn't even a question.

Your 20 year old season is your CHL overage year. Meaning your not allowed to play in a World Under 20 event and each team has a max amount of guys allowed at this age.

Your 19 year old season is your last year eligible to play at a World Under 20 event (UNDER 20. Literally meaning lower than 20...).

 

[McDNicks17]

How literally every single person involved in hockey would describe it this is his 19 year old season. Anyone who's been involved in the CHL or CJHL as a player, scout, management, etc. knows this isn't even a question.

Your 20 year old season is your CHL overage year. Meaning your not allowed to play in a World Under 20 event.

Your 19 year old season is your last year eligible to play at a World Under 20 event (UNDER 20. Literally meaning lower than 20...).

You seem to be confusing age at the start of a season with age of the year.

Leason was able to play at the WJC because he was 19 at the time, but because he turns 20 prior to the draft, this is his 20 year old season.

 

[BondraTime]

You seem to be confusing age at the start of a season with age of the year.

Leason was able to play at the WJC because he was 19 at the time, but because he turns 20 prior to the draft, this is his 20 year old season.

I'm telling you, as someone who has been involved, that this is his 19 year old season.

What about Guys born on June 23rd and then June 26th in this draft? 1st guy played his 18 year old season and the 2nd played his 17 year old season?

There are no 21 year old seasons.

There are

16 year old season - Byfield
17 year old season- Lafreniere/Byram
18 year old season- Hayton/Boqvist
19 year old seaos - Glass/Leason
20 year old season - Blichfeld/Langan

After your 20 year old season, you age out of the league.

 

[McDNicks17]

I'm telling you, as someone who has been involved, that this is his 19 year old season.

What about Guys born on June 23rd and then June 25th in this draft? 1st guy played his 18 year old season and the 2nd played his 17 year old season?

I have to question how involved you've been if you don't know about stuff like this.

8.10 Age of Players. As used in this Article, "age 18" means a Player reaching his eighteenth
birthday between January 1 next preceding the Entry Draft and September 15 next following the
Entry Draft, both dates included; "age 19" means a Player reaching his nineteenth birthday by no
later than September 15 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age 20" means a Player reaching
his twentieth birthday by no later than December 31 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age
21" means a Player reaching his twenty-first birthday by December 31 in the calendar year of the
Entry Draft; and "age 22" means a Player reaching his twenty-second birthday by December 31
in the calendar year of the Entry Draft.

Bolded is what's applicable to Leason.

 

[BondraTime]

I have to question how involved you've been if you don't know about stuff like this.

8.10 Age of Players. As used in this Article, "age 18" means a Player reaching his eighteenth
birthday between January 1 next preceding the Entry Draft and September 15 next following the
Entry Draft, both dates included; "age 19" means a Player reaching his nineteenth birthday by no
later than September 15 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age 20" means a Player reaching
his twentieth birthday by no later than December 31 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age
21" means a Player reaching his twenty-first birthday by December 31 in the calendar year of the
Entry Draft; and "age 22" means a Player reaching his twenty-second birthday by December 31
in the calendar year of the Entry Draft.

Bolded is what's applicable to Leason.

You are talking about age....I don't think anyone will argue that he's not 20

There are

16 year old season - Byfield 1st year
17 year old season- Lafreniere/Byram 2nd year
18 year old season- Hayton/Boqvist 3rd year
19 year old seaons - Glass/Leason 4th year
20 year old season - Blichfeld/Langan 5th year
21 year old season - aged out

In the CHL, these are the seasons. There IS NO 21 YEAR OLD SEASON. A 20 year old is an overager, in his 20 year old season.

There is a reason that people don't say "Lafreniere did great in his 15 year old season"

 

[Brodeur]

I'm wondering if Washington might have interest at #25. Assistant GM Ross Mahoney is their former head amateur scout and he's based out of Regina, so he's probably seen a bit out of Leason in the same division.

They might not be able to afford to re-sign Brett Connolly, so maybe Leason could fill that spot as early as next season? Caps window is still open, so maybe they put some value in getting a guy who could contribute immediately a la the Kings taking Tanner Pearson in 2012 and having him take a regular shift in the 2014 Cup run?

 

[McDNicks17]

You are talking about age....Jesus Christ

There are

16 year old season - Byfield
17 year old season- Lafreniere/Byram
18 year old season- Hayton/Boqvist
19 year old seaos - Glass/Leason
20 year old season - Blichfeld/Langan

In the CHL, these are the seasons. There IS NO 21 YEAR OLD SEASON

So you're arguing it's just his "age 20" season, but not his 20 year old season? Right...

I'm getting pretty bored of arguing semantics.


Whatever you want to call the year(how about we simplify it to undrafted WHLers in their draft+2 years?), it doesn't detract from my original point. That prospect group has one of the worst success rates of any groups across the draft.

 

[BondraTime]

So you're arguing it's just his "age 20" season, but not his 20 year old season? Right...

I'm getting pretty bored of arguing semantics.


Whatever you want to call the year(how about we simplify it to undrafted WHLers in their draft+2 years?), it doesn't detract from my original point. That prospect group has one of the worst success rates of any groups across the draft.

That's not arguing semantics, that's not knowing that this was a guys 19 year old season, which is based on birthyear in the CHL and CJHL (the league you are using)

 

[McDNicks17]

That's not arguing semantics, that's not knowing that this was a guys 19 year old season, which is based on birthyear in the CHL and CJHL

Semantics is saying "he turned 20 a week before the draft, it's his 20 year old season"

I feel like that old "arguing on the internet" adage is happening right now.

It's semantics because, as I said in my last post, whatever you want to call the year has no bearing on my point.

 

[BondraTime]

I feel like that old "arguing on the internet" adage is happening right now.

It's semantics because, as I said in my last post, whatever you want to call the year has no bearing on my point.

What was your point? That 19 year old undrafted guys from the CHL don't have much success?

I mean, yeah..they are undrafted and 95+% of them stay undrafted. The ones who get drafted, and get drafted high (1st round) which has happened out of the CHL 1 time in the past 10 years, have about the same success rate as any other demographic in the league. There isn't a group to compare Leason because his situation doesn't happen. Guys who are as good as he is this year get drafted as 17/18 year olds. If there were more situations where a guy with his tools and talent was still around at 19, this would be a common occurrence. This doesn't happen though, and he has no comparable other than Pearson (Durzi though he was taken higher than ranked)

Off the top from just the W, sure I missed some

Smith
Gudas
Davidsson
Weiss
Cunningham
Martinhook

I would imagine that the % of 2nd year eligible guys drafted to be an NHLer is pretty much equal to the % of 1st year drafted WHLers thanks to the very few that get drafted (and even fewer who are ranked high).

This works out in the 2nd years favour, and it was by coincidence as I just picked a random draft (Just happens that 3 of those listed above were in it), where 2010 had 4 guys drafted that were 2nd year eligible and 2 of them are regular NHLers and another had to retiree after playing 70 games and losing his leg, while there are 12 regular drafted as 1st year eligible out of 38.

 

[thelittlecoon]

He's looked decent in the playoffs. Don't think he should be taken in the first 2 rounds but in the 3rd round I'd probably start to consider it.

 

[Juniorhockeyguru]

I feel like that old "arguing on the internet" adage is happening right now.

It's semantics because, as I said in my last post, whatever you want to call the year has no bearing on my point.

Brett Leason is now 20, IN HIS 19 YEAR OLD SEASON IN THE DUB. You can keep arguing and beating this very simple fact into the ground all you want, doesn't change the fact HE'S IN HIS 19 YEAR OLD SEASON.

 

[Favin]

Please stop with the age 19/20 stuff. No one here is looking for that.

For those familiar with Leason over last couple of years, would love to hear people's best NHL comp.

 

[McDNicks17]

Brett Leason is now 20, IN HIS 19 YEAR OLD SEASON IN THE DUB. You can keep arguing and beating this very simple fact into the ground all you want, doesn't change the fact HE'S IN HIS 19 YEAR OLD SEASON.

It's his 20 year old season according to the NHL and his 19 year old season according to the WHL. We're talking about the NHL draft, so I'm using the NHL definition.

Again, it doesn't matter what you call it, players that are in Leason's current year and undrafted have a terrible track record coming out of the WHL.

The majority of undrafted players in that link are in their D+2 year like Leason.

 

[KrisBeKreame]

Forgive me for not reading the entire thread but can he still play center or is he strictly now just a winger?

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

True but looks a bit early to call Batherson a succes story.

I have no problem with Leason if LA grabs him early second round.

I don't want to see the Kings select Leason at all and I'll tell you why. One we have a plethora of centers and RWingers and a dire need for RD-men. Like to see the Kings draft Seider and Korczak with the Leafs pick and our own 2nd rounder respectively. Byram will be gone by 5th...I was hoping LA would get him but either Chicago(3rd) grabs him or Colorado(4th) lay waiting in case!

 

[super6646]

If the flames draft him in the first, I’m going clinically insane.

 

[DecadeofDarkness22]

If the flames draft him in the first, I’m going clinically insane.

Mark Jankowski 2.0

 

[cowgirlcath]

If the flames draft him in the first, I’m going clinically insane.

Is this something being talked about??? Please no

 

[super6646]

Is this something being talked about??? Please no

I mean he’s a Calgary boy ranked around our pick. Not saying it’ll happen, but he shouldn’t be a first rounder, and I hope Treliving doesn’t bite on him.

 

[Dominance]

To be far to Leason he only turned 20 two weeks ago. He seems to be a player that would have a high floor as well. He seems to be smart defensively and his skating has really improved. In the 20s if there is a big guy who is a good bet to be a third liner with second line upside and should be NHL ready soon (which is important to teams in the later half of the round) why not grab him?

My thoughts exactly. He’s a known quantity, better than what several in that range will ever become and years ahead in development, which is invaluable.

 

[super6646]

My thoughts exactly. He’s a known quantity, better than what several in that range will ever become and years ahead in development, which is invaluable.

He also had merely ok production this year and was nothing special the past 2 years. “Late bloomer” or “dominating against lesser competition” is not a risk I take in the first round.

 

[bukwas]

Raiders could use another goal out him right now.

 

[cowgirlcath]

I mean he’s a Calgary boy ranked around our pick. Not saying it’ll happen, but he shouldn’t be a first rounder, and I hope Treliving doesn’t bite on him.

I just can't see it happening