Well people who have coached both say that Matthews is better and he's outproduced Eichel in the same leagues sooooooooooooooooooo that's not the case lol.
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Well people who have coached both say that Matthews is better and he's outproduced Eichel in the same leagues sooooooooooooooooooo that's not the case lol.
Whether Matthews is 7 months older or not would matter if they were playing against other kids in the CHL/NCAA. But they are both playing against men. At that point it hardly makes a difference.
Well I disagree, a player at that age can improve a lot in 7 months.
I certainly like Matthews more than I liked Eichel in his first WCs(Was paying a lot of attention to him). I wouldn't be surprised if Matthews slightly surpassed Eichel, in fact I'd be more surprised if it was the other way around.
I'd say that Matthews most likely will be slightly below players like Crosby, Malkin, McDavid in production and slightly above Getzlaf, Seguin and co.
Eichel and matthews are close with eichel being a better prospect by a small bit at this point in their drafting processes.
Neither are close to mcdavid.
Neither are close to mcdavid.
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Atleast one scout sees him as a Toews. Another scout sees him as being just a hair under Eichel, a more complete, less dynamic version. Still an above average #1 regardless.
Not saying you are wrong, but what is it that Eichel did that Matthews hasn't?
Why not? Production wise he's on par with him if not better, and hes a complete player. Eichel's also a late birthday, I dont remember if that was used against him as much as its being used against Matthews either right now.
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This thread has begun to repeat itself for the 5th time. Exact same conversations come and go in a certain sort of cycle.
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He did (IMO it as the second most impressive rookie season behind McDavid). I think Matthews will end with similar production (20+ goals and 50+ points). Maybe skew a bit more to the assists side. Ultimately, I think they will be similar players production-wise even though their styles are different (Matthews is more understated).
Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
You're right. All of these threads that are discussing Matthews, Laine, etc. are going in circles. There's not really much more to say at this point.
Maybe I misread his post, but I was under the impression he meant Matthews vs Eichel 6 weeks before their draft. If he meant today as they both stand, you cannot make a fair or logical comparison.
I disagree. Matthews has better offensive production in every league they've played together at the same age, and also holds the better 2way game. In my view, you've got it the opposite.
Comparing Matthews now, to Eichel this time last year, I believe Matthews is the slightly superior prospect.
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This is the thing. Matthews and Eichel only played together for one year. Here is the chart below on how they did. What Matthews did last year, Eichel was playing in the NCAA. It is hard to compare both players stats since both only intersected for one season.
This is the thing. Matthews and Eichel only played together for one year. Here is the chart below on how they did. What Matthews did last year, Eichel was playing in the NCAA. It is hard to compare both players stats since both only intersected for one season.
So its better to compare their stats in the year that matthews spent most of the season injured and was a year yonger than eichel? Why dont we just compare his following year so that we compare their stats at the same age? A healthy Matthews broke the league record with 117 points. Eichel is currently tied for 9th in league history in the same year. Pretty straight shot as comparisons go.
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Not to mention this is also missing Matthews U17 stats for the same year.
U.S. National U17 Team 24 12 21 33 1.38 10
TheLeastOfTheBunch
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Deceptive of The Winter Soldier/Interactif of only comparing their stats when they played together, when Eichel is a full year ahead in that particular season he illustrated.
Makes more sense to compare them at similar points in their career in the same leagues and tournaments:
Age 17:
Eichel: 87 points in 53 games in the USDP program (1.64 PPG)
15 points in 12 U18 + U20 games
Matthews: 116 points in 60 games in the USDP program (1.93 PPG)
18 points in 12 U18 + U20 games
Age 18:
Eichel: 11 points in 15 U20 + WC games
Matthews: 17 points in 13 U20 + WC games
But he did feel they were comparable not so long ago
Makes more sense to compare them at similar points in their career in the same leagues and tournaments:
Age 17:
Eichel: 87 points in 53 games in the USDP program (1.64 PPG)
15 points in 12 U18 + U20 games
Matthews: 116 points in 60 games in the USDP program (1.93 PPG)
18 points in 12 U18 + U20 games
Age 18:
Eichel: 11 points in 15 U20 + WC games
Matthews: 17 points in 13 U20 + WC games
But he did feel they were comparable not so long ago
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He's made it clear he doesn't think you can compare all of their stats, because when people did, it looked like he was outproducing Eichel at certain levels and was favourable toward pro-Mathews arguments...which doesn't line up with the argument he's been pushing. You can ONLY compare Eichel and Mathews stats in a very limited way like he just did, because that appears to be the only way a statistical comparison easily favours Eichel, and supports his argument. It's all presented very selectively.
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Deceptive of The Winter Soldier/Interactif of only comparing their stats when they played together, when Eichel is a full year ahead in that particular season he illustrated.
Makes more sense to compare them at similar points in their career in the same leagues and tournaments:
Age 17:
Eichel: 87 points in 53 games in the USDP program (1.64 PPG)
15 points in 12 U18 + U20 games
Matthews: 116 points in 60 games in the USDP program (1.93 PPG)
18 points in 12 U18 + U20 games
Age 18:
Eichel: 11 points in 15 U20 + WC games
Matthews: 17 points in 13 U20 + WC games
But he did feel they were comparable not so long ago
Also funny that he had Matthews and Pulu over Laine, now he's all about Laine.
But yeah, it's pretty clear that when you compare the two at the same age, Matthews has the superior production. Not to mention being vastly superior defensively.
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I'm sorry, 2nd in MVP voting in one of the better European Pro Leagues, as an 18 year old and battling injuries is pretty impressive to me.
This is the thing. Matthews and Eichel only played together for one year. Here is the chart below on how they did. What Matthews did last year, Eichel was playing in the NCAA. It is hard to compare both players stats since both only intersected for one season.
It's not hard at all when you compare their respective careers relative to their age rather than the actual year. I mean, Eichel is a year older the Matthews so why would it matter that their both only intersected for one season? Here, let me break down the comparisons for you:
Jack Eichel
(Draft - 2, 2012-2013)
USHL 35GP 13G 14A 27P (0.77 PPG) [-0.23 PPG]
USDP (U17) 36GP 19G 15A 34P (0.94 PPG) [-0.44 PPG]
USDP (U18) 22GP 10G 8A 18P (0.82 PPG) [-0.03 PPG]
WHC-17 5GP 3G 0A 3P (0.60 PPG) [-0.73 PPG]
WJC-18 7GP 1G 1A 2P (0.29 PPG) [-0.71 PPG]
(Draft - 1, 2013-2014)
USHL 24GP 20G 25A 45P (1.88 PPG) [-0.12 PPG]
USDP (U18) 53GP 38G 49A 87P (1.64 PPG) [-0.29 PPG]
WJC-18 7GP 5G 5A 10P (1.43 PPG) [-0.72 PPG]
WJC-20 5GP 1G 4A 5P (1.00 PPG) [+0.40 PPG]
(Draft Year, 2014-2015)
NCAA 40GP 26G 45A 71P (1.78 PPG)
WJC-20 5GP 1G 3A 4P (0.80 PPG) [-0.77 PPG]
WC 10GP 2G 5A 7P (0.70 PPG) [-0.30 PPG]
vs
Auston Matthews
(Draft - 2, 2013-2014)
USHL 20GP 10G 10A 20P (1.00 PPG) [+0.23 PPG]
USDP (U17) 24GP 12G 21A 33P (1.38 PPG) [+0.44 PPG]
USDP (U18) 20GP 12G 7A 17P (0.85 PPG) [+0.03 PPG]
WHC-17 6GP 4G 4A 8P (1.33 PPG) [+0.73 PPG]
WJC-18 7GP 5G 2A 7P (1.00 PPG) [+0.71 PPG]
(Draft - 1, 2014-2015)
USHL 24GP 20G 28A 48P (2.00 PPG) [+0.12 PPG]
USDP (U18) 60GP 55G 61A 116P (1.93 PPG) [+0.29 PPG]
WJC-18 7GP 7G 8A 15P (2.15 PPG) [+0.72 PPG]
WJC-20 5GP 1G 2A 3P (0.60 PPG) [-0.40 PPG]
(Draft Year, 2015-2016)
NLA 36GP 24G 22A 46P (1.28 PPG)
WJC-20 7GP 7A 4A 11P (1.57 PPG) [+0.77 PPG]
*WC 6GP 3G 3A 6P (1.00 PPG) [+0.30 PPG]
*WC is still going on
So as you can see, Eichel and Matthews have had 11 directly comparable stats and Matthews has outproduced Eichel in 10 out of those 11. The only stat that is not comparable is Eichel's NCAA season last year and Matthews' NLA season this year:
NCAA 40GP 26G 45A 71P (1.78 PPG)
vs
NLA 36GP 24G 22A 46P (1.28 PPG)
Other than those two, why exactly is it so hard to compare Eichel and Matthews' stats?
KGL
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Great post. Really puts things into perspective. Pretty clear who is superior offensively.
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Kane never played in the WC pre-draft. He couldn't make the team and Matthews is putting up ppg. I was messing with you.
Shocking you can't see how poor your argument is.
Kane was playing in the OHL playoffs that year. London was eliminated a day before the WC started.
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Yeah, but Matthews is like super old for his draft year, which is like 40 dog years, which is like 5 hockey years. Come on man.
