C Aleksander Barkov - Tampere Tappara, FEL (2013 Draft)

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thomast

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Well it's good we see them better when they play in world juniors. According to you Barkov is going to be incredibly awesome and outclass everyone of the opposing team every time he is on the ice.

Let's see about that

Again, i didn't state that Barkov is better than Granlund. I only stated that he is better at stickhandling. If you like flashiness then you might have Armia and Granlund ahead at stickhandling but i value all things, how he uses the stick at defense and offense and how he can dangle players in pressure. 2 very different things. How old are you? :help: don't misunderstand when you read my posts. I don't expect Barkov to do much at WJC since he is 16 year old. Maybe couple points and just solid game. I expect Granlund to dominate WJC. I say it again it's not fair to compare 16 year old to best prospect in the world. Barkov at 16 is obviously much better than Granlund at 16 but Granlund have developed with huge leaps after that. Only time will tell if Barkov can catch him. IMO Barkov is about 1 and half years ahead of Granlund(at 16) at the developement . If you don't have anything smart to post just be quiet or argue with real arguments and without misunderstanding my posts.
 

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By now I'm pretty sure Zamuz is infact Mikale Granlund.
Don't get me wrong I think Granlund will be a Marc Savard kind of player but Barkov at his age is better than Ovechkin I think there is a possibility that he is a generational talent in the making. I know this may sound like over hyping but I can't wait to post the "I told you so".

He is flat out the best 16 year old player I have ever seen.
 

SoupyFIN

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He is flat out the best 16 year old player I have ever seen.

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Hold your horses bud, let the kid first play a full FEL-season before calling him basically a lock for the 1st overall. :facepalm:
 

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Barkov plays in -33 team and Granlund plays in +14 team in stacked team. There is big difference. Barkov's +\- is more impressive. I have never stated that Barkov is right now better than Granlund it's not very close right now. only stated that Barkov is better stickhandler than Granlund. We have to remember that Granlund is 3 and half years older than Barkov. Granlund is probably the best prospect in the world and Barkov is barely 16 year old rookie. Not fair comparison. Barkov at 16 was much better than Granlund at 16. When Barkov gonna get his confidence up and get better linemates he might be +45-50points player next year. If he would play full season he would be in pace of about 21 goals + 15 assists= 36pts. Very impressive for 16 year old rookie.

Highly debatable and a bold point to make.
 

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Hold your horses bud, let the kid first play a full FEL-season before calling him basically a lock for the 1st overall. :facepalm:

Are you saying my eyes are lying? I've followed this kid for 2 years now.
 

Zamuz

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Again, i didn't state that Barkov is better than Granlund. I only stated that he is better at stickhandling. If you like flashiness then you might have Armia and Granlund ahead at stickhandling but i value all things, how he uses the stick at defense and offense and how he can dangle players in pressure. 2 very different things. How old are you? :help: don't misunderstand when you read my posts. I don't expect Barkov to do much at WJC since he is 16 year old. Maybe couple points and just solid game. I expect Granlund to dominate WJC. I say it again it's not fair to compare 16 year old to best prospect in the world. Barkov at 16 is obviously much better than Granlund at 16 but Granlund have developed with huge leaps after that. Only time will tell if Barkov can catch him. IMO Barkov is about 1 and half years ahead of Granlund(at 16) at the developement . If you don't have anything smart to post just be quiet or argue with real arguments and without misunderstanding my posts.

Well don't you think reading your posts that Barkov is CLEARLY the best player on the ice?

I don't think he is any better than Granlund in stickhandling, Granlund can steal the puck too and has many take aways this season.
Why do you say Granlund can't dangle in pressure? he is much better player when there's a lot of pressure and he can outplay many players and give a pass after that. He showed that many times during semifinal against Russia in WC.

Also Barkov isn't much better than Granlund at 16. Barkov is playing for a worse team which allows him to get icetime because of the lack of good centers. Granlund could definitely have played FEL @ 16 but there was two centers ahead of him and Granlund isn't a 3-4 line player.
 

Loffer

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Agreed. I wish people would stop calling Granlund the best prospect. The best Finnish one maybe but number one in the whole world?

Agreed. But there is no clear number one prospect right now. So, let's say it's Granlund for the time being due to his achievements up till now. And wasn't he the number one on the last hockey prospectus list as well? So, no big deal, just more or less arbitrary rankings for fun.
 

thomast

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Well don't you think reading your posts that Barkov is CLEARLY the best player on the ice?

I don't think he is any better than Granlund in stickhandling, Granlund can steal the puck too and has many take aways this season.
Why do you say Granlund can't dangle in pressure? he is much better player when there's a lot of pressure and he can outplay many players and give a pass after that. He showed that many times during semifinal against Russia in WC.

Also Barkov isn't much better than Granlund at 16. Barkov is playing for a worse team which allows him to get icetime because of the lack of good centers. Granlund could definitely have played FEL @ 16 but there was two centers ahead of him and Granlund isn't a 3-4 line player.

Have you seen Barkov playing? Granlund isn't even close being as good at takeaways. I've been watching almost all games from Barkov including Ivan Hlinka and over 15 games from Granlund. I'm a big Granlund homer and Barkov homer. I have already stated that Granlund is better now than Barkov it's not close. Barkov is much better than Granlund at 16 in overall game. Barkov can be suited for all lines because he has solid two-way game. Granlund at 17 half years could not play proper two-way game he had pure offensive role. They might be close offensively at 16 tho i agree with you but in overall game not a chance that Granlund would been close to Barkov. Your arguments are pure garbage. Hockey isn't just stats and offense i value every aspect in the game when i rank players.


Highly debatable and a bold point to make.

Well everyone has their own opinions but to me Granlund is without bias the most proven and best prospect right now. Stats show it, achievements show it. All that added to his very high potential i don't see any prospects being as good as him. He is atleast one of the best prospects and it's not fair to compare 16 year old kid to him.
 
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Jabba11

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Agreed. I wish people would stop calling Granlund the best prospect. The best Finnish one maybe but number one in the whole world?

Agreed. As far as I know, Granlund is as productive in the SM-Liiga than Tarasenko and Kuznetsov are in the KHL. Tarasenko didn't do badly either at the World Championship. The best prospect in the world right now..is Nathan MacKinnon waddup.
 

BigBlue11

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He sounds a lot like couturier to me
big good defensively strong offensive game and an average skater
 

Zamuz

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Have you seen Barkov playing? Granlund isn't even close being as good at takeaways. I've been watching almost all games from Barkov including Ivan Hlinka and over 15 games from Granlund. I'm a big Granlund homer and Barkov homer. I have already stated that Granlund is better now than Barkov it's not close. Barkov is much better than Granlund at 16 in overall game. Barkov can be suited for all lines because he has solid two-way game. Granlund at 17 half years could not play proper two-way game he had pure offensive role. They might be close offensively at 16 tho i agree with you but in overall game not a chance that Granlund would been close to Barkov. Your arguments are pure garbage. Hockey isn't just stats and offense i value every aspect in the game when i rank players.

Wtf when did i say that hockey was just stats? anyway stats matter a lot in hockey (Granlund has way better junior career stats than Barkov) and my arguments aren't garbage, yours are. You are saying that Barkov is much better at 16 than Granlund, did you watch any games Granlund played at 16 in juniors or his 2 league games? he was already solid back then but there was no room for him in Karpat like there is room for Barkov in that garbage-tappara like i said.
 

TheRocket87

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Wtf when did i say that hockey was just stats? anyway stats matter a lot in hockey (Granlund has way better junior career stats than Barkov) and my arguments aren't garbage, yours are. You are saying that Barkov is much better at 16 than Granlund, did you watch any games Granlund played at 16 in juniors or his 2 league games? he was already solid back then but there was no room for him in Karpat like there is room for Barkov in that garbage-tappara like i said.

You're wasting your breath, there is no room for reasoning here. Someone said Barkov's better than Ovechkin at 16 and I highly doubt he's seen too many of his games at 16. Neither have I, but he was out there breaking Bure's junior records...

He's a great talent and certainly one of the best to emerge from Finland and right up there with the best of his age group around the world. It's just pointless to be arguing here about something that nobody can possibly know for sure.

Maybe we'll be wiser after the WJC's.
 

SoupyFIN

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He's a great talent and certainly one of the best to emerge from Finland and right up there with the best of his age group around the world. It's just pointless to be arguing here about something that nobody can possibly know for sure.

Maybe we'll be wiser after the WJC's.

This, just stop it already guys. :facepalm:

We will know better after the WJC and a full season in the FEL.
 

vanskillZ

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There has been lot of talk in this thread about Granlund vs Barkov at 16. I remember seeing Granlund play before the WJC 2009 with the U20 team against mestis teams. What was noteworthy about Granlund back then was his ability control the flow of the game, like it is now. He was playin against Sport in same line with Toni Rajala (noteworthy that i remember Pulkkinen being in that game aswell, but in different line). He flat out dominated in that game and that made me think that he would have a chance to make the WJC team back then as an 16 y-o. He still had many issues like for skating, acceleration (I remember Pulkkinen being a better skater, but I reckon that was before his notorius injury spree).

Barkov played at Ivan Hlinca as an 15 y-o, and had amazing chemistry with undersized Juuso Ikonen and Teuvo Teräväinen. That first line was able to keep the puck in the offesive zone mostly because of Barkovs insane ability to anticipate puck movements of opponent, and use his stick to make a takeaway. That combined to Ikonen skating, and the overall skill level that Teräväinen provided, made a great line that will have a chance to play again this spring in the wjc u-18. Barkov hasent yet shown that much in the u20 international level, but he has proven himself in the SM-liiga, as an 16 y-o. That is an amazing feat and should not be taken litely, considering, that Kärpät did not want to play Granlund at same age eventhou I think they might have if Granlund was the same size as Barkov.

Having seen Barkov play many times this season made me think even if it would be beneficial for him to play more physical, cause it might hinder his pokechecking ability during game. Barkovs greatest weakneses are his skating, and overall mobilily which is funny because that was allso Granlunds greatest flaw, but in Granlunds case it was said that a player of his size would need an better acceleration. A guy with Barkovs size does not need to be the fastest skater on the block to be effective at the highest level. The thing about Granlund is that he has managed to add to his game every year, in his draft year he focused on bettering his offensive traits as a winger, second he worked lot on his skating and defensive game, which aloud him to play center, this year he can just flatout score against any goalie. Its obious that both have top hockey minds, Granlund focuses more on creating more offensive chances for his team while Barkov tries to limit to offensive opportunies of the opposing team. In the world of scouting it does not matter who is better at 16, guys dont stop developing at that age. Perhaps in the future when they play in the NHL against eachother will we know who will be better.
 

thomast

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Barkov have impressed scouts at the U-20 WJC pregames with his skill and two-way game. Playing very impressive game for a late 2013 draftee. Keep it up into real games :yo: !
 
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