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No one could pronounce his name so he was undrafted.
C Alan Lyszczarczyk, undrafted, 19th in points in OHL
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In an Americanized way, "Listarchik" is close enough. Not that terrible.
Awfully offensive to the surprisingly large Polish community on this website. "Listarchik" is a close enough appropriation of his name. Sorry for having a difficult language for outsiders to understand. No need to be ridiculous about it though.
ProspectsSTC
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The dude has a 53 point Scrabble name, not sure how that's offensive.
That being said, I like him as a player but don't think he has the talent to be anything more than a Eurostar. Also it's no longer CIS, it's USports
Do you know how player recruitment works? Why would you give top 6 minutes to a kid with one foot out the door? To piss off the players you need to keep around?
SoundAndFury
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So they would rather piss off the best Czech prospect of this generation? That argument is ridiculous for so many reasons but that's not the point. The point is your shockingly bad original assessment ("that production he’d be looking at top 6 in SHL, top 3 in Liiga or extraliga"). I will go with Latvian prospects because those are ones I know best:
Bukarts > over PPG in the WHL > went to Zlin 2nd year after junior > was cut after 17 games (2 goals, 2 assists)
Kulda > Memorial Cup MVP > went to Zlin 4th year after junior > 2nd-3rd line player
Jevpalovs > 100 points in his final season in QMJHL > played for Riga 3rd year after junior > 3rd-4th line player
Lipsbergs > over PPG in his final season in the WHL > had trouble to break into any solid pro team, traded in the ECHL twice in the same season, has been sent to Liepaja by Riga recently
Abols > 50 points in 52 QMJHL games and 11 in 11 in PO > signed with Orebro > 1 assist in 26 games, sent to Allsvenskan
Dzierkals > over PPG in QMJHL > 2nd line player in the ECHL his 1st pro season, 3rd line player for Riga now after the tough start
And this isn't cherry picking, this is all of them.
Bonus one > Aron Chmielewski > by far the most talented Polish forward of recent times, a superstar of Polish NT > has played for Trinec for 5 years > first 3 of those in the 2nd Czech league, later 2 carved himself a place on the first team, 4th line mostly. On that very same Polish NT, Lyszczarczyk is 5th-ish best forward.
And yet Lyszczarczyk would be a top 3 player in Extraliga based on his production? What the hell are you smoking? He scored 82 points as an overager in junior.
Some of the guys with even better stats don't turn pro at all. Furthermore, he isn't a highly skilled guy. He has a motor an work ethic but not some spectacular tools. As I said, he is unlikely to EVER be top-3 player in, lets say, Czech Extraliga because he isn't that kind of player. He is no Marek Kvapil. Not to mention being that in his rookie season.
I'm honestly bamboozled. You are a frequent poster on KHL board, I thought you have a clue about European hockey in general. This is the guy who would, at this point, would either go to the ECHL or would play 4th line hockey in the AHL if he chose to go NA route. And yet you consider him top-3 guy in Extraliga and top-6 in the SHL..
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He should just player near his family, wherever that is, or if he has a significant other. If his family is in the states, try drift between some AHL and ECHL teams. If his family is in Poland, try to get a gig in the Czech Extraliga.
Not offensive at all, I’m part Polish myself and I found it quite funny, stop taking everything so seriously
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Yeah but when you consider historic North American immigration's tendency to anglicise the spellings of names, you wonder how something like this survived
SoundAndFury
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Well he was born in Poland and is a Polish citizen. It would be weird if they started changing names of people in other countries as well.
Ceremony
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The eliteprospects page in the OP said he was born in New Jersey, I was going off that
SoundAndFury
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Sorry, his father never played in NA so I just assumed. Well, in any case, he grew up in Poland for the most part.
I'm fairly certain that is incorrect. While his father, Dariusz, does live in New Jersey, it sounds like he moved after his playing career ended, which would have been after Alan was born.
And logically, it makes little sense: why would Dariusz have his son born in Poland when he himself is Polish and played in a Polish league for years? I think what happened is the OHL site lists players hometown (not birthplace), and as Alan had New Jersey, some sites misinterpreted that. Of course this is all speculation, but that is my suspicion.
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My ąpółógęż! I łóv ż kułturze óf Ęąztęrn błók kuntrężę sucz ąż Polska ąnd Łotwa. Ż byszop ąt my łocął czurcz wąkąszónz in Gdańsk ąnd bryngz bąk dełyszouz czeeżyz frąm szęępz myłk fór uż tu endżoj.
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New Jersey has a huge Polish population, might be more than Chicago now which has been slowly declining because they're moving to nearby states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio. His father was born and raised in Poland, moved to NJ for a bit where his son was born, but I believe Alan spent his childhood in Poland and then played hockey in Czechia.
What majority of these people have dropped is specialised characters like Ł, ą, ń, ę, ż, w (v sound) and others which definitely makes a difference in how to properly pronounce the last name. Like it's beyond horrible to hear North American announcers pronounce Zach Werenski with an English "W" instead of the proper Polish "V" sound - it should be pronounced Vrrr-ren-ski.
E: What helps a lot is that Polish is based majority upon English letters and why you see some many spelling changes when Russian players come over. Their alphabet has different characters which English just doesn't have like a backwards й and a letter which all I can describe as is a house; Д.
You know Polish might be one language which is so different to the rest of languages that it might be almost impossible to try and blend into a new culture's language such as English. I know that a ton of Americans who have Polish decent surnames still have sz, cz, and czyk in their last name among other rules of the language.
What majority of these people have dropped is specialised characters like Ł, ą, ń, ę, ż, w (v sound) and others which definitely makes a difference in how to properly pronounce the last name. Like it's beyond horrible to hear North American announcers pronounce Zach Werenski with an English "W" instead of the proper Polish "V" sound - it should be pronounced Vrrr-ren-ski.
E: What helps a lot is that Polish is based majority upon English letters and why you see some many spelling changes when Russian players come over. Their alphabet has different characters which English just doesn't have like a backwards й and a letter which all I can describe as is a house; Д.
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