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C Aatu Räty - Jukurit, Liiga (2021, 52nd, NYI)

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VictorLustig said:
Guess third time's a charm then?
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Guess so, what's those old posts got to do with him being 1st in rankings and considered 1st by most scouts and journalists? Also there was legit arguments for both Laine and Kakko to go 1st. Even though those were biased opinions of me and they were openly so.
 
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KappoTheGoat said:
Guess so, what's those old posts got to do with him being 1st in rankings and considered 1st by most scouts and journalists? Also there was legit arguments for both Laine and Kakko to go 1st. Even though those were biased opinions of me and they were openly so.
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Because they were wrong lol
 
Why all this focus on who goes #1? It's not an achievement. It's just opinions and predictions, often mixed with some bias. Production throughout his career is the achievement. Henrik Zetterberg went 210 (!), but he turned out alright anyway... In the end, going #1 can turn out to be more of a burden than a blessing.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Where are the ones that have Raty as #1?
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And you claim he can't be consensus with clearly having not even checked anything lol, good arguing, he's consensus no1 on most rankings rn and nobody is saying he's a surefire first OA idk what you foreigners are so mad about.
 
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KappoTheGoat said:
And you claim he can't be consensus with clearly having not even checked anything lol, good arguing, he's consensus no1 on nost rankings rn and nobody is saying he's a surefire first OA idk what you foreigners are so mad about.
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I didn’t make the claim he is. You did, I questioned it because it didn’t seem to line up with what I’ve seen, and you didn’t even try to prove it, likely because you know it’s not true.

Own it though. It’s your opinion, not a consensus. It’s a valid opinion, but don’t try to fool people into thinking your opinion is a consensus.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I didn’t make the claim he is. You did, I questioned it because it didn’t seem to line up with what I’ve seen, and you didn’t even try to prove it, likely because you know it’s not true.

Own it though. It’s your opinion, not a consensus. It’s a valid opinion, but don’t try to fool people into thinking your opinion is a consensus.
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You clearly haven't seen him play outside the little from WJC where he was the youngest in the tournament and had a very small role. You clearly haven't watched him besides that and you completely ignore experts having him at 1 but you surely seem to know better.
 
As someone who doesn’t have Raty #1 at the moment, I’m happy to admit the consensus is that he’s currently #1. I haven’t read any major hockey publications that have published otherwise.
 
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swedehollow said:
Why all this focus on who goes #1? It's not an achievement. It's just opinions and predictions, often mixed with some bias. Production throughout his career is the achievement. Henrik Zetterberg went 210 (!), but he turned out alright anyway... In the end, going #1 can turn out to be more of a burden than a blessing.
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It's solely based on Finland not having had a #1 pick yet but had like three #2's and three #3's since 2013. I'd feel bad for the Finn going #1 though because of all the pressure it would bring at this point.

I agree with you though I don't generally get the obsession with #1's and at this point they all get overhyped into oblivion just to become heavily criticised for not being McDavid.
 
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teravaineSAROS said:
It's solely based on Finland not having had a #1 pick yet but had like three #2's and three #3's since 2013. I'd feel bad for the Finn going #1 though because of all the pressure it would bring at this point.

I agree with you though I don't generally get the obsession with #1's and at this point they all get overhyped into oblivion just to become heavily criticised for not being McDavid.
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Good post
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Is he better than Lundell? I’m not seeing it.
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It's certainly arguable at this point in time. I know the "LunDeLL hAs nO hiGh eNd SkiLl" crowd thinks it's a slam dunk for Raty due to.. well their preconceived notion that Raty is significantly more skilled than Lundell but I don't think it's that cut and dry. Lundell's game is very complete for a player his age in a pro league.

Unfortunately, I can only compare Raty's D-1 to Lundell's draft year as I never watched tape on Anton last year and I don't know how much he progressed from last year to this year. I like Anton's two way play and offensive positioning more than Raty's but I don't know if these were his strongsuits in his D-1 year or if he progressed quite a bit this year.

All in all, I really don't like comparing prospects until I see them in their draft year because some players can take some unprecedented leaps. But at this point in time it's not foolish to suggest Anton Lundell will be a better prospect than Aatu Raty even if I'd disagree with the notion.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Is he better than Lundell? I’m not seeing it.
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Yeah, he's far from the clear 1st overall pick that people are making him out to be. His numbers are a fair bit worse than Lundell at the same age.

Lundell: 1.5 ppg in SM-Liiga, 0.5 ppg in Liiga
Raty: 0.7 ppg in SM-Liiga, 0.3 ppg in Liiga

Lundell has pretty much double the production and was never considered to be in the race for 1st overall.
 
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ConnorMcMullet said:
Yeah, he's far from the clear 1st overall pick that people are making him out to be. His numbers are a fair bit worse than Lundell at the same age.

Lundell: 1.5 ppg in SM-Liiga, 0.5 ppg in Liiga
Raty: 0.7 ppg in SM-Liiga, 0.3 ppg in Liiga

Lundell has pretty much double the production and was never considered to be in the race for 1st overall.
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Raty was hyped as the top pick because he was a physically-mature player who was promoted to higher age groups earlier than other 2021 draft eligibles. It was easy to place him near the top of the 2021 draft because he was playing against the best competition the earliest. I think he's a good player. Likely a top 10 guy, but I just don't see 1OA upside. If he's 1OA, and I haven't drastically misevaluated his skill-set, 2021 is either one of the worst drafts ever for top-end talent or he will have improved a lot in the next year.
 
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