Dreger: Byram trade being explored

[FlyguyOX]

In his mind - or the story his agent is telling - he’s never had the opportunity, spending his entire career on teams with two of the best defencemen in the world.

That’s fine but you don’t get paid like one just because you have an excuse that you wernt one

 

[FlyguyOX]

Well what is #1 money now?

We’d have to define #1 which I’ve gone through on this site before and it’s very controversial.

If you define as lead the team in EV and Total TOI nightly then I’d say that AAV is 10-11M

 

[Beerz]

We’d have to define #1 which I’ve gone through on this site before and it’s very controversial.

If you define as lead the team in EV and Total TOI nightly then I’d say that AAV is 10-11M

Who leads Flyers in EV and TOI?
Sanheim?

 

[Mattb124]

Games prior don't count? Good dman. Looking to get paid.

When he played all 82 games the past two seasons (and the post implies otherwise), no.

 

[Satanphonehome]

That’s fine but you don’t get paid like one just because you have an excuse that you wernt one

I don't think the Byram camp would argue with you.

But they would also say that if you're going to pay me like a 2nd-pairing guy, I'm not going to sign with you long-term: take a leap of faith, or I will sign with someone who will.

Sabres have a decision to make.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

They were both 1 year away from being UFAs. What aren’t you getting?

No they aren't. Byram is 1 year away. Dobson had to sign a 1 year contract, which he obviously didn't do. The Islanders held a lot more cards in negotiations because they were the only team allowed to give Dobson an 8th year of term, that is not the case with Byram at all.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I could see the Canes offering something like Chatfield + Nadeau + 1st for Byram. The Canes certainly have the cap space to sign Byram to an 8x10 or something like that. If Byram's problem is about ego, though, he'd certainly need to throw that out the window here, because he'd certainly not be a 1D here.

 

[Chainshot]

I don’t understand him wanting to be paid like a #1 when he hasn’t been a #1

Darren Ferris, his agent.

 

[Chainshot]

I could see the Canes offering something like Chatfield + Nadeau + 1st for Byram. The Canes certainly have the cap space to sign Byram to an 8x10 or something like that.

Okay, that's an interesting offer. I know once upon a junior invite, folks in Buffalo where interested enough to have an undrafted/unsigned Chatfield in for dev camp prior to him doing that with Vancouver the following year. I wonder if anyone in their pro scouting is still looking to get the finished product.

 

[boredmale]

How about Filip Hronek+ for Bryram. Buffalo makes a hockey move getting a guy who might fit in their system better, Vancouver gets the player with the higher offensive upside. I would guess the + in this situation might be one of Vancouver's multiple 2d round picks in the next few years

 

[Satanphonehome]

No they aren't. Byram is 1 year away. Dobson had to sign a 1 year contract, which he obviously didn't do. The Islanders held a lot more cards in negotiations because they were the only team allowed to give Dobson an 8th year of term, that is not the case with Byram at all.

Buffalo can easily give Byram an 8th year on July 1 (that window is open until September) and immediately trade him.

We are talking two players each 1 year away from free agency, each under team control, each with the option to sign a long-term deal either as a condition of the trade, or immediately afterward, or accept an offer from their current team.

Dobson could have forced arbitration to get a one-year contract that walked him directly to free agency if that's what he wished, which Byram can't, but in practical terms that leaves them in the same place.

I'm not seeing any extra cards here. Any differences in terms of leverage here immaterial.

 

[Satanphonehome]

How about Filip Hronek+ for Bryram. Buffalo makes a hockey move getting a guy who might fit in their system better, Vancouver gets the player with the higher offensive upside. I would guess the + in this situation might be one of Vancouver's multiple 2d round picks in the next few years

Personally, if Byram forces a trade, this is where I'd be looking for a return: a good defenceman under contract that can handle Byram's minutes. I don't know that you'd need to sweeten, given the contract situation.

Canucks take on Greenway (which they certainly could use and can afford) as part of the deal and the Sabres would likely be sweetening.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Neutral fan so maybe I'm way off, but...

To Buffalo: Mikkola, 9th OV

To Florida: Byram (ext. 8 x $9m-ish), Lyon/Levi/Ellis, 20 OV/Ostlund/Kulich

Give or take a bit on either end

 

[boredmale]

Personally, if Byram forces a trade, this is where I'd be looking for a return: a good defenceman under contract that can handle Byram's minutes. I don't know that you'd need to sweeten, given the contract situation.

True in regards to contract situation. While if we looking in a vacuum and don't consider contracts or how the player feels about his playing time, I would say Byram would have more value, the fact Hronek fits a need for Buffalo and causes an issue with the Cancuks where they now all of a sudden are short on RHD. That has to have some value, then you consider Byram probably gets like 2-2.5M more in salary, whereas Hronek is locked into a reasonable contract till he is 33

 

[Yatzhee]

Neutral fan so maybe I'm way off, but...

To Buffalo: Mikkola, 9th OV

To Florida: Byram (ext. 8 x $9m), Lyon, 20 OV/Ostlund/Kulich

Give or take a bit on either end

Byram gets he 9th over all alone, and then some. He’s a 4th over all pick puck moving d man in the top 4 of the best offensive puck moving team in the league, arguably a key member of a top 4 best in the league, no doubt top 2 or 3 without an argument.

If he’s traded, he’s the key piece in the trade unless it’s a 1 for 1 and who’s giving up what the Sabres would want, specifically a top line center?

 

[Icebreakers]

How about Filip Hronek+ for Bryram. Buffalo makes a hockey move getting a guy who might fit in their system better, Vancouver gets the player with the higher offensive upside. I would guess the + in this situation might be one of Vancouver's multiple 2d round picks in the next few years

Canucks are most definitely NOT adding here. The + is the other way. Hroneks at 7.25 is worth more than Byram at like 9 or whatever he wants.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Byram gets he 9th over all alone, and then some. He’s a 4th over all pick puck moving d man in the top 4 of the best offensive puck moving team in the league, arguably a key member of a top 4 best in the league, no doubt top 2 or 3 without an argument.

If he’s traded, he’s the key piece in the trade unless it’s a 1 for 1 and who’s giving up what the Sabres would want, specifically a top line center?

Mikkola is an extremely valuable piece in his own right - easily worth 20th +. He was a top 4 D on a back-to-back cup champ and he is signed for several more years at $5.5mil.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Mikkola is an extremely valuable piece in his own right - easily worth 20th +. He was a top 4 D on a back-to-back cup champ and he is signed for several more years at $5.5mil.

Mikkola and 9 for Byram and 20 is something I'd look at if forced to trade Byram.

The goalie part is a thoughtful addition because of both teams situations. Personally think it tilts the balance to Florida.

 

[Chainshot]

Personally, if Byram forces a trade, this is where I'd be looking for a return: a good defenceman under contract that can handle Byram's minutes. I don't know that you'd need to sweeten, given the contract situation.

Canucks take on Greenway (which they certainly could use and can afford) as part of the deal and the Sabres would likely be sweetening.

I have like MPettersson more than Hronek over the last number of years. I wouldn't mind him as the principle in a deal for Byram.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Mikkola and 9 for Byram and 20 is something I'd look at if forced to trade Byram.

The goalie part is a thoughtful addition because of both teams situations. Personally think it tilts the balance to Florida.

Appreciate the feedback. I think it depends on the goalie. I think Lyon is a bit much, but Levi or Ellis might be seen more as a palatable throw-in, and might be able to be settled with a mid-pick.

 

[Yatzhee]

Mikkola is an extremely valuable piece in his own right - easily worth 20th +. He was a top 4 D on a back-to-back cup champ and he is signed for several more years at $5.5mil.

His partner is Seth Jones, and both are vastly more mature than Power and Byram in years in the league with Mikkola at 30 yrs old now, both of which played behind a stacked Panthers forward group during those runs.

Byram isn’t feeding off of a stacked forward group, he’s one of the 4 D men driving the game. There is a vastly huge difference here. It’s not even apples to oranges, it’s more like apples to tropical fruit mix.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

His partner is Seth Jones, and both are vastly more mature than Power and Byram in years in the league with Mikkola at 30 yrs old now, both of which played behind a stacked Panthers forward group during those runs.

Byram isn’t feeding off of a stacked forward group, he’s one of the 4 D men driving the game. There is a vastly huge difference here. It’s not even apples to oranges, it’s more like apples to tropical fruit mix.

Would you say there is a huge difference between 9th overall and 20th overall?

Would you also say there is a huge difference between a $5.5m contract and a $9m contract?

Also, Mikkola played with Montour/OEL/Kulikov in their 1st Cup run.

I'm not saying my proposal is perfect or even good/workable, if you don't have interest in Mikkola that's fine, but your reasoning against it is kinda wishy washy.

 

[Icebreakers]

I have like MPettersson more than Hronek over the last number of years. I wouldn't mind him as the principle in a deal for Byram.

If you want MP as a center piece for Byram the Canucks would be all over it. He does cost considerably cheaper than what Byram will demand. Depends on the price though.

 

[Jetskiis]

Would Chicago offer Nazar for Byram or something around that?

 

[Jetskiis]

I have like MPettersson more than Hronek over the last number of years. I wouldn't mind him as the principle in a deal for Byram.

If we could sneak Raty in there could get all the faceoff nerds off our backs too