Value of: Byram (or Power) to CGY

Coaches say things publicly to support their top guys.
Dahlin should play his natural side. If the Sabres had a right shot D (like Hronek does for Hughes) that would make Dahlin a better player.
There are reasons why the Sabres have been terrible during the Dahlin years. One of them is they have yet to find him a good partner. If they could use Byram to acquire a good right shot partner for Dahlin that makes them a much improved club.
Does Dahlin need a good, stable partner? Of course.

But: there is AMPLE evidence that he plays better on the right. He prefers to play on the right. You make the team better by playing players where they prefer to play and where they are best......not by forcing your best player to do something in the name of "handedness".

It's MUCH MUCH easier right now to find a good, stable, defensively-minded LHD that can pair with Dahlin.
 
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Does Dahlin need a good, stable partner? Of course.

But: there is AMPLE evidence that he plays better on the right. He prefers to play on the right. You make the team better by playing players where they prefer to play and where they are best......not by forcing your best player to do something in the name of "handedness".

It's MUCH MUCH easier right now to find a good, stable, defensively-minded LHD that can pair with Dahlin.
If you say so. It certainly hasn’t worked out so good for the Sabres to this point.
 
The point is your proposal sucks. With all due respect.
I didn't give an exact proposal though...

Miromanov + prospect (not Parekh) + add pick too (optional)

Customize it as needed to make it work.

Would (for example) Miromanov + (Honzek / Gridin) + 1st suck?

I guess I'm just undervaluing Byram maybe? IDK. I've seen multiple people in multiple threads say that he didn't look great unless paired with Dahlin.
 
Coaches say things publicly to support their top guys.
Dahlin should play his natural side. If the Sabres had a right shot D (like Hronek does for Hughes) that would make Dahlin a better player.
There are reasons why the Sabres have been terrible during the Dahlin years. One of them is they have yet to find him a good partner. If they could use Byram to acquire a good right shot partner for Dahlin that makes them a much improved club.
Dahlin played opposite side before he was dtafted. He plays on thr right side.
 
I didn't give an exact proposal though...

Miromanov + prospect (not Parekh) + add pick too (optional)

Customize it as needed to make it work.

Would (for example) Miromanov + (Honzek / Gridin) + 1st suck?

I guess I'm just undervaluing Byram maybe? IDK. I've seen multiple people in multiple threads say that he didn't look great unless paired with Dahlin.

Not one of those offers contains a single thing that makes the Sabres better next year. They all clearly make the Sabres worse. So, yes, they suck.
 
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Dahlin is a left shot D. If he’s playing the right side that’s not any coach’s preferred choice. If the idea is to trade Byram or Power for a guy who can partner at evens with Dahlin then for sure that player will be a right shot. It would be beyond backwards to trade for another left shot D.

And yet every coach he’s had since he was 16 has played him there. It’s almost like that’s where he’s best utilized?
 
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I didn't give an exact proposal though...

Miromanov + prospect (not Parekh) + add pick too (optional)

Customize it as needed to make it work.

Would (for example) Miromanov + (Honzek / Gridin) + 1st suck?

I guess I'm just undervaluing Byram maybe? IDK. I've seen multiple people in multiple threads say that he didn't look great unless paired with Dahlin.
So even worse...
 
Coaches say things publicly to support their top guys.
Dahlin should play his natural side. If the Sabres had a right shot D (like Hronek does for Hughes) that would make Dahlin a better player.
There are reasons why the Sabres have been terrible during the Dahlin years. One of them is they have yet to find him a good partner. If they could use Byram to acquire a good right shot partner for Dahlin that makes them a much improved club.
Who are you to tell a player how they should play? Many defensemen have had more success playing on their off hand. Miro Heiskanen, Mackenzie Weegar, and Travis Sanheim are prime examples in the NHL today. If you are a good enough defenseman the disadvantages of playing on your off hand side are fairly obsolete.

If Dahlin, and 2 of his coaches have said he prefers the right side then let him do that. What Buffalo should be focusing on is finding a right handed partner for Power
 
And yet every coach he’s had since he was 16 has played him there. It’s almost like that’s where he’s best utilized?
So if Byram can fetch Anderson from Calgary the Sabres will play both their top pairing guys on their off side?
I get Dahlin is really good, and can play both sides, but shouldn’t the Sabres be trying something different, considering how bad they’ve been even with him?
Look at the improvement seen in Makar and Hughes once they got high end partners.
 
Who are you to tell a player how they should play? Many defensemen have had more success playing on their off hand. Miro Heiskanen, Mackenzie Weegar, and Travis Sanheim are prime examples in the NHL today. If you are a good enough defenseman the disadvantages of playing on your off hand side are fairly obsolete.

If Dahlin, and 2 of his coaches have said he prefers the right side then let him do that. What Buffalo should be focusing on is finding a right handed partner for Power
I watched, live, the great ‘72 Russian team. If I remember correctly they didn’t even have a right shot player on their club, except for Tretiak. So, of course D can play their off side.
If the Sabres had a deal where Byram gets a high end right shot D to partner with Dahlin, then the new guy should play his off side so Dahlin can play his off side?
Imo the Sabres should be trading Power or Byram for another top six forward. But if a guy like Anderson from Calgary comes available then 100% they should get him. And then play him with Dahlin.
 
I watched, live, the great ‘72 Russian team. If I remember correctly they didn’t even have a right shot player on their club, except for Tretiak. So, of course D can play their off side.
If the Sabres had a deal where Byram gets a high end right shot D to partner with Dahlin, then the new guy should play his off side so Dahlin can play his off side?
Imo the Sabres should be trading Power or Byram for another top six forward. But if a guy like Anderson from Calgary comes available then 100% they should get him. And then play him with Dahlin.


Its normal finding a partner for dahlin.

Its about the 2nd pair with Power
 
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Its normal finding a partner for dahlin.

Its about the 2nd pair with Power
The Habs in the 70’s won five Cups. Their D was anchored by Savard, Lapointe, and Robinson. All were left shot D who could play both sides and did. The Sabres have three very good left shot D. They can continue to play them as their top minute guys or they can trade one for a right shot D. Byram for Andersson (imo) makes the Sabres better.
 
I’m curious what Sabres’ fans think Byram is going to get for the next contract. Also, which forwards stand out as being big contributors to the many goals allowed?

The single worst defensive forward for the Sabres last year was Dylan Cozens. At least in terms of coughing up the puck at inopportune moments. Jack Quinn would be second.

The issue with the forwards is not so much defensive play in general in terms of systems and effort, it was the big error, the one that gave up the grade A chance.

The flip side of that is the forwards who actually can be trusted - meaning are capable defensively - you’re probably talking 4? Tuch, McLeod, Greenway and Benson.

Coaches say things publicly to support their top guys.
Dahlin should play his natural side. If the Sabres had a right shot D (like Hronek does for Hughes) that would make Dahlin a better player.
There are reasons why the Sabres have been terrible during the Dahlin years. One of them is they have yet to find him a good partner. If they could use Byram to acquire a good right shot partner for Dahlin that makes them a much improved club.

Dahlin already has a fantastic partner.

I’ll say it again: Dahlin and Byram were THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOP PAIRING IN THE NHL last year.

70% GF. I think there were only like 4 or 5 other pairs who topped 60%

How much better can anyone expect them to be?
 
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The single worst defensive forward for the Sabres last year was Dylan Cozens. At least in terms of coughing up the puck at inopportune moments. Jack Quinn would be second.

The issue with the forwards is not so much defensive play in general in terms of systems and effort, it was the big error, the one that gave up the grade A chance.

The flip side of that is the forwards who actually can be trusted - meaning are capable defensively - you’re probably talking 4? Tuch, McLeod, Greenway and Benson.



Dahlin already has a fantastic partner.

I’ll say it again: Dahlin and Byram were THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOP PAIRING IN THE NHL last year.

70% GF. I think there were only like 4 or 5 other pairs who topped 60%

How much better can anyone expect them to be?
Seems like it’s all good then for the Sabres. Just continue along the same path. Keep Byram. It’s just a hockey chat site. Nothing we post is likely to happen. It’s our opinion.
Imo I thought Byram for Andersson would be a good move for the Sabres.
 
If you say so. It certainly hasn’t worked out so good for the Sabres to this point.

Addressing bigger issues than if Dahlin is on his forehand or backhand side would be Power's regression defensively over the last two years -- seriously, the kid was better in his own zone when he first arrived from Michigan -- and trying to find a steady, stable partner who might be able to offer the herculean task of covering up for Power's d-zone disinterest. I know, it's probably not going to be just one guy because even if it was say Chris Tanev, he'd still be trying to cover two guys at the net instead of just one. Getting Power to show a pulse in his own zone - initiate, have a better gap, close down lanes, pin people out, move people from the front or just deny them their stick, not talking about him being a murderer or throwing hits, just show some basic competency regularly probably fixes a chunk of their blueline issues.

And a bigger problem is the forwards lack of commitment to either backcheck or pay any sort of physical price to maintain a cycle or get to high danger areas with or without the puck. Too many of them, even ones with gaudier scoring totals for them, are still playing Granato's all skate/no hit rush offense and it's just not winning hockey. They don't come back deep enough and stay the split second longer to make sure their defense are supported, pressure a puck carrier or offer an outlet. They don't rotate back vigorously to cover when those PMD's do activate. This is a "most" problem, not an all problem. And they need it to become "a few" problem.

Dahlin getting a RHD partner who can be the takeout part of a pairing would be a nice addition but it falls more into luxury than necessity for many fans.
 
Addressing bigger issues than if Dahlin is on his forehand or backhand side would be Power's regression defensively over the last two years -- seriously, the kid was better in his own zone when he first arrived from Michigan -- and trying to find a steady, stable partner who might be able to offer the herculean task of covering up for Power's d-zone disinterest. I know, it's probably not going to be just one guy because even if it was say Chris Tanev, he'd still be trying to cover two guys at the net instead of just one. Getting Power to show a pulse in his own zone - initiate, have a better gap, close down lanes, pin people out, move people from the front or just deny them their stick, not talking about him being a murderer or throwing hits, just show some basic competency regularly probably fixes a chunk of their blueline issues.

And a bigger problem is the forwards lack of commitment to either backcheck or pay any sort of physical price to maintain a cycle or get to high danger areas with or without the puck. Too many of them, even ones with gaudier scoring totals for them, are still playing Granato's all skate/no hit rush offense and it's just not winning hockey. They don't come back deep enough and stay the split second longer to make sure their defense are supported, pressure a puck carrier or offer an outlet. They don't rotate back vigorously to cover when those PMD's do activate. This is a "most" problem, not an all problem. And they need it to become "a few" problem.

Dahlin getting a RHD partner who can be the takeout part of a pairing would be a nice addition but it falls more into luxury than necessity for many fans.
Who would have more trade value: Byram or Power? I figured Power would because of his size, and being so recently the top pick.
 
Who would have more trade value: Byram or Power? I figured Power would because of his size, and being so recently the top pick.

It might be Power since he's got amazing transition stats, similar 5-on-5 raw production and didn't have the benefit of being Dahlin's partner as much. He also has a finite contract value while Byram is still up in the air about term and amount. He is a big guy, but there is no use of that size in a defensive sense. He has no pulse in his own zone, no urgency to get to his man or use that bulk to move someone out of a dangerous area. If there was a way to get Rick Bowness into his ear every day, I would since he's well known as the defenseman whisperer. But that's not happening so they desperately need to find a better D coach than the shitheal they have had his entire time in Buffalo.

*shrug*

I am frustrated with both of them. In my perfect world, I would trade both of them (and Samuelsson too) and replace them with people who can do their jobs. That may also be a case of getting the forwards to actually commit to playing a full 200' game instead of cherry picking or blowing the zone early or loafing on the backcheck. And that might work out better.

*sigh*
 

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