Buyers and Sellers

[OMG67]

The Windsor Star reported that the picks were conditional on Afanasyev playing for Windsor.

"As for the only player to come to the Spitfires in Tuesday’s trade, the six-foot-two, 190-pound Afansyev is up for the 2019 NHL Draft and has a verbal commitment to Michigan State University, but Rychel is hopeful.

“There’s a slight chance he’ll come this year, but I’m very positive getting him for September,” Rychel said. “I feel good about him being a Spitfire in 2019-20.”

Should Afansyev report, all three conditional picks in Tuesday’s trade will return to the 67’s."

With regards to value on one season, it's tough to say. Windsor had a solid club before COVID-19 hit and may have won a round. However, we'll never know.

So if we relate this to JUST picks, it is Dipietro and a 4th for:

4x 2nds
2x 3rds.

There is that extra 2nd for DiPietro but with the 4th going the other way, that somewhat makes up for the extra 3rd. That leaves the extra 4th and 5th that Leenders garnered. You could say Leenders went for a higher return than DiPietro.

I would say Leenders was an overpay. He’s a good goalie and there was two years of service but I think most would suggest that was a pretty heavy return.

 

[OHLTG]

I would say Leenders was an overpay. He’s a good goalie and there was two years of service but I think most would suggest that was a pretty heavy return.

Agreed. It might have been a "you want him, this is the cost" situation but he doesn't have DiPietro's numbers yet. They could have removed a second and a third and still been a very solid return.

 

[OMG67]

Agreed. It might have been a "you want him, this is the cost" situation but he doesn't have DiPietro's numbers yet. They could have removed a second and a third and still been a very solid return.

Yup. I agree. I was shocked at that deal to be honest.

Brantford was building for a two season run. So, from their perspective, they needed a goalie and wanted a top goalie for two seasons and were willing to pay for him. In this case, they likely overpaid for him.

The problem is they have now set the new bar. That is where the George discussions would start this year if OS were to look at the possibility.

As I said previously, the only risk really for OS waiting until next year is if they change the OA rule to allow teams to roster an OA goalie as an extra OA. Otherwise, the DiPietro deal would be the benchmark, assuming George hangs on as the #1 starter with Team Canada for a medal, preferably Gold. The fact that OS is weak and he won’t get any sort of playoff run is unfortunate. That may be a bit of an issue. If Brampton makes the Finals, they would have a goalie that would be returning next year. If Brampton decides to sell, Ivankovic, with both Team Canada and a Finals appearance woudl unseat George as the higher profile guy.

I doubt London would move Medvedev next year and neither would Brantford with Leenders, so any competition in the market for George would come off the back of Ivankovic. There is ZERO competition for George this year though. He is really the only bonafide non-OA out there “potentially” available. I like Bowen as well but there is a drop off there for sure.

 

[OHLTG]

The problem is they have now set the new bar. That is where the George discussions would start this year if OS were to look at the possibility.

There is ZERO competition for George this year though. He is really the only bonafide non-OA out there “potentially” available. I like Bowen as well but there is a drop off there for sure.

Going off stats alone, I'm not sure OS is ready to have their back-up take over, either. He's had good moments but some questionable ones, too. If I'm OS, I'm setting my price and "you either want to pay or you don't." You never know what could happen next season so, if they keep George now, and something happens next season where a contender needs him... there he goes. Given what I've heard about OS and prices right now, I doubt they're eager to go "here y'all go... enjoy!"

 

[OHL4Life]

So basically, the difference between Leenders and DiPietro was Afanasyev.

Leenders was dealt for:
3x 2nds
3x 3rds
4th
5th

DiPietro plus a 2nd and 4th was dealt for:
4x 2nds
Conditionals (2nd + 2x 3rds)
Rights to unsigned Afanaseyev

Afanasyev ended up signing with Windsor and played the 2019-20 season with Windsor.

Depending on the value placed on one season of Afanasyev, I would consider the two deals very similar. I believe the conditional picks were a combination of Afanasyev reporting and the 67s winning the OHL Championship. @OHL4Life could probably look up the exact conditions for accuracy.

You’re forgetting that it’s also 6 years ago. Trade inflation is a massive thing. Back then tr best overages went for 2/3 picks. Now they go for 4/5 and a good player

 

[larrybird]

I’m thinking maybe Brampton makes big moves with all the assets… everyone forgetting - you don’t acquire rehkpof and Sova before season starting to do nothing. They’ve had so many injuries. Which it looks like they’re going to get healthy soon. They’ve already added Arlickson - looks lone maybe Konnor smith might be a steelhead aswell. Expect more big moves coming. Dont want to waist Martone either this year.

 

[larrybird]

Yup. I agree. I was shocked at that deal to be honest.

Brantford was building for a two season run. So, from their perspective, they needed a goalie and wanted a top goalie for two seasons and were willing to pay for him. In this case, they likely overpaid for him.

The problem is they have now set the new bar. That is where the George discussions would start this year if OS were to look at the possibility.

As I said previously, the only risk really for OS waiting until next year is if they change the OA rule to allow teams to roster an OA goalie as an extra OA. Otherwise, the DiPietro deal would be the benchmark, assuming George hangs on as the #1 starter with Team Canada for a medal, preferably Gold. The fact that OS is weak and he won’t get any sort of playoff run is unfortunate. That may be a bit of an issue. If Brampton makes the Finals, they would have a goalie that would be returning next year. If Brampton decides to sell, Ivankovic, with both Team Canada and a Finals appearance woudl unseat George as the higher profile guy.

I doubt London would move Medvedev next year and neither would Brantford with Leenders, so any competition in the market for George would come off the back of Ivankovic. There is ZERO competition for George this year though. He is really the only bonafide non-OA out there “potentially” available. I like Bowen as well but there is a drop off there for sure.

I can almost guarantee you this report is so false. Brampton is a buyer. Brampton not selling. You wish!!!

 

[frontsfan67]

I think your incorrect if you think George is worth the same as leenders.

IMO George is WAY better

Doing more with less

Also if Owen sound gets rid of George they’ll get 10 goals a game scored on them with koprowski

Can’t see George traded

 

[OMG67]

I can almost guarantee you this report is so false. Brampton is a buyer. Brampton not selling. You wish!!!

Next year.

 

[larrybird]

Next year.

Next year selling? They’re not selling this year. You’re wishing they sell….

 

[OMG67]

Next year selling? They’re not selling this year. You’re wishing they sell….

Yes. Next year. The context of the post was whether there would be any competition on the goalie trade market next year and I suggested Ivankovic would be the potential player that lowers the goalie trade values if both goalies hit the trade market.

 

[OMG67]

There has been some consistent talk about the market changing as a result of the NCAA rule. I think a lot of people are interpreting that wrong. I think with the high probability of a quick rebuild possibility starting next year, I think prices may be rising as teams feel they can be more loose with their assets.

For example. A team like Brantford can move a player like O’Donnell knowing they likely hav Malhotra next year. Plus they may be able to add an additional player they wouldn’t normally have access to. Same with a lot of the higher profile teams. A team like Oshawa may be much more willing to move guys like Smith and Griffin.

I do not think the interpretation of teams getting mature players free after New Years meaning the trade market will flatten out is accurate. Mature players ready for a long playoff run area already likely playing NCAA making it less likely of them reporting. I think the expectation of getting players to report next year they wouldn’t have otherwise is pushing prices up. Those 16 and 17 year olds drafted over the last two drafts are the players most likely to enter the league. That additional boost is what I think is fuelling the market.

 

[Petes1987]

Peterborough Petes General Manager, Mike Oke said in an interview with the Peterborough Examiner that they are not planning to trade any of their older players this year however are interested in acquiring younger players in exchange for draft picks to add to their young group of players which they are building the team around. I think we might see the Petes add a couple of 2006 or 2007 born players.

 

[OHL4Life]

Peterborough Petes General Manager, Mike Oke said in an interview with the Peterborough Examiner that they are not planning to trade any of their older players this year however are interested in acquiring younger players in exchange for draft picks to add to their young group of players which they are building the team around. I think we might see the Petes add a couple of 2006 or 2007 born players.

'the pets simply wont trade michael simpson for anything more then 2 2nds and a 3rd'
-two days later hes traded for spare picks.

'rob wilson has stated on ohl 30 that they do not plan on trading anyone for the first few months
-days later the simpson trade

'the petes simply will not trade connor lockhart for anything shy of a a collection of high 2nds and 3rds'
-hes traded for much less within a few weeks.



in all seriousness the petes dont have anyone to sell that would more the needle, plenty of kids want out, but even they probably dont have a ton of value.

 

[Section5Petes]

Peterborough Petes General Manager, Mike Oke said in an interview with the Peterborough Examiner that they are not planning to trade any of their older players this year however are interested in acquiring younger players in exchange for draft picks to add to their young group of players which they are building the team around. I think we might see the Petes add a couple of 2006 or 2007 born players.

Don’t get your hopes up…

 

[Donnie740]

How does the Peterborough brain trust intend to acquire young players and draft picks if they’re not planning on trading any of their older veterans? That’s such an illogical proclamation from Oke.

The Pete’s should be trading every single 19yr old they have because they’re all easily replaced - - if not upgraded - - as OAs next year.

 

[OMG67]

How does the Peterborough brain trust intend to acquire young players and draft picks if they’re not planning on trading any of their older veterans? That’s such an illogical proclamation from Oke.

The Pete’s should be trading every single 19yr old they have because they’re all easily replaced - - if not upgraded - - as OAs next year.

No one wants their 19 year olds.

They said they’d trade picks for young players “if possible.”

As mentioned above by @Section5Petes, “don’t hold your breath!”

 

[RangerNation]

Surely using draft picks to draft good players is great plan too, right?

 

[OMG67]

Surely using draft picks to draft good players is great plan too, right?

Not if you are Kingston…..

Have you looked at the Petes 2023 draft? Their capable ‘07s are their first rounder and the three 1st rounders they traded for. The end.

 

[Section5Petes]

Not if you are Kingston…..

Have you looked at the Petes 2023 draft? Their capable ‘07s are their first rounder and the three 1st rounders they traded for. The end.

Not to mention the even worse ‘06 class…

 

[User13452]

No one wants their 19 year olds.

They said they’d trade picks for young players “if possible.”

As mentioned above by @Section5Petes, “don’t hold your breath!”

They should be bringing in 3 new OA’s next year. Nobody on the current roster is deserving of a OA spot. The petes best hope to add anyone would be Novotny

 

[OMG67]

They should be bringing in 3 new OA’s next year. Nobody on the current roster is deserving of a OA spot. The petes best hope to add anyone would be Novotny

The Petes have made a commitment to their ‘07s. They will continue to try to align with that group. With any luck, their ‘08 class will work out ok. Obviously Fitzgerald is fine and they will get another really strong ‘09 this coming draft.

Pressure is on for them to build that ‘07/‘08 group.

 

[User13452]

The Petes have made a commitment to their ‘07s. They will continue to try to align with that group. With any luck, their ‘08 class will work out ok. Obviously Fitzgerald is fine and they will get another really strong ‘09 this coming draft.

Pressure is on for them to build that ‘07/‘08 group.

Strong 09 plus a top 5 pick in the import draft they’ll have to hit big on. Also would be nice to hit on the u18 draft with a high pick as well.

 

[OMG67]

Strong 09 plus a top 5 pick in the import draft they’ll have to hit big on. Also would be nice to hit on the u18 draft with a high pick as well.

We’ll see where they land in the draft lottery this year. That will affect their position in the Import draft as well. They could pick as low as 11th. I don’t think that will make a difference though. Either they arrange for someone or they don’t.

The scary team that may miss the playoffs is Ottawa. If they end up with Vaughn in a Pinelli deal as has been rumoured heavily, they will have three 1st round ‘08s. They get the lottery pick ‘09 and they likely release or trade Korbler opening an Import slot for them and they seem to always hit in the 1st round of the Import draft. They have quite a few options from the NCAA commits as well. They could be a team to watch through this deadline because if they move Foster and potentially Mews (unlikely), they could virtually tank and return a bunch of quality players next year.

 

[OHL4Life]

The Petes have made a commitment to their ‘07s. They will continue to try to align with that group. With any luck, their ‘08 class will work out ok. Obviously Fitzgerald is fine and they will get another really strong ‘09 this coming draft.

Pressure is on for them to build that ‘07/‘08 group.

are the 07s actually that good?

they now have zero flexibility with 1st round packages, so can’t bring in any more other teams 1st rounders