Post-Game Talk: Build The Wal

[Mr Positive]

Its the way the media frame things here and the tendency of the org. The Oilers devalue their own. This seen as a tendency for decades. Booch has been getting negative attention from media, pundits, fans, for sometime and despite him having a superstar year just last season. Been an Oilers fan long enough and followed the org to know how little they think of their incumbent players.

Of course we lose Ekholm, father time says that. But my take is we lose Booch too. Walman from what I gather is mostly an offensive D. He isn't known to handle opponent rush well. Ekholm is a stud, a shutdown D.

I just disagree. Bouchard will get an 8 year deal this summer and he's staying as long as the team stays good.

As for Walman, he played vs top competiton in SJ. He could do that here. And just to pump the breaks there, I am talking about the optimistic outcome

 

[FlameChampion]

Emberson is basically a rookie (only 30 games last season)and has already played double the number of NHL games this season. Rookies tend to fade as the season goes on because they have never experienced the grind of a full NHL 82 game season. Now that Emberson has played enough games to avoid Group 6 free agency, the Oilers can rest him down the stretch, which would also get Stecher and Klingberg some games.

My original post was wasn’t really meant to be overly critical of Emberson. I think was just pointing out that he has struggled more as the season has progressed. I was originally speculating and curious of who the RD3 the coaching staff would push going down the stretch now theres basically 1 spot for 3.

Either way it will be a good experience for Emberson to draw on as he progresses in the league.

 

[TB12]

Also Gregor needs to never post during a game ever again

fixed

 

[TB12]

He robbed Rantanen and then gave up 3 goals on the next 4 shots. Makes one big save in a period and you guys just go "jobs done what more do you want?"

But hey you wont get any disagreement on Emberson from me. I don't get what people see in the player.

The bar is so f***ing low for this guy. Makes 1 save and all his fans are throwing their dicks on the table acting like it's something special that he did his f***ing job.

Those Moustache rides must be quite special in the Stu cult.

 

[FlameChampion]

The system they are playing seems to look to be the same as last year. However,
Foegle Out.
McLeod Out.
Both represent a loss of speed on the PK.

And RNH is just lost out in the ice this year for some reason, 5 on 5 or otherwise.

I also think it could be due to the team in general not playing with a lot of urgency or intensity. Hopefully it will ramp up down the stretch.

I also think when its this bad, everyones just expecting bad results. Need to crawl out of the hole.

Dead horse but the goaltending hasn’t helped either.

 

[MessierThanThou]

The bar is so f***ing low for this guy. Makes 1 save and all his fans are throwing their dicks on the table acting like it's something special that he did his f***ing job.

Those Moustache rides must be quite special in the Stu cult.

I thought his recent play lowered the number of Stu Simps, but they were just in hiding and came out in full force on deadline day, and are still thumping their chests over an .840 that was not, in any way, shape, or form, his fault, guys! Any shot that is hard to stop cannot and will not be stopped by any goalie in this league, period. Anyway, none of the goals were really muffins so I didn't feel the need to argue with them. Just glad the team won. Besides, my neck is still sore from shaking my head over all the donkey-brained clown world takes on deadline day...

 

[AddyTheWrath]

So you refuse to take consideration on how the goals were scored, and whether or not he had a chance to stop them? Par for the course I guess Spawn.

There’s certain posters you just have to put on ignore. They can never find anything positive to say. You have to question whether they’re a fan or just a troll that developed Stockholm syndrome

 

[guymez]

So you refuse to take consideration on how the goals were scored, and whether or not he had a chance to stop them? Par for the course I guess Spawn.

You are 100% correct but because you are stating the obvious and going against the "Hate Skiner cult" you open yourself up for attack/insults.

Its a black and white issue after all...no nuance...no room for discussion. One side against the other...lol

No appetite for actually looking at a play objectively.
3 goals in the 3rd period....must mean Skinner is to blame. No room for discussion here.
Either you blame everything on Skinner or you are part of the "Love Skinner Cult"...."Skinner simps"...etc.
Such a joke.

All the while I see posts like..."checking with the legs means no hitting"...."Knoblauch is coaching the team to be soft"...etc.
Posts that are so f**king ridiculous and yet they merit discussion. LOL

On the other hand trying to understand the reason for a goal...things like how a play broke down and discuss what really happened is forbidden conversation lest you be branded as a Skinner Simp.

This place is like Junior f**king High School sometimes.
/rant

 

[Oilhawks]

 

[unicornBLOOD]

Rantanen is being dissed basically because of the kind of money he was asking for. For 2025 and on, and wanting huge money longterm.

This is 96M. 8x12. Any team doing this contract is paying premium money on the back half of a players career.

Sure the Oilers did that with Drai but he's an absolute physical beast that seems to eat punishment. Rants was getting nailed multiple times last night and seemed an easy target.

Sure he's good. Is he so good at age 32 or 34 in this contract? Will he survive all the punishment as he ages?

Even Colorado who had Rantanen for years wasn't going to pony up and make this contract.

For most forwards the decline starts around Age 27-29 and is pronounced by age 30 and beyond.

The AV's are laughing all the way to the bank. In the trade they get Necas, who covers the same pts and is a faster stronger player. They get him for half the price instead.

Easily I would have the Necas contract instead of signing Rantanen. Carolina botched this so bad the GM should be fired.

we will see what Necas gets, one thing that Rantanen has over Necas is playoff success and numbers (59 GP - 11 G, 19 A for 30 P) for Necas, while Rantanen is (81 GP - 34 G, 57 A for 101 P) - This isn't even close. Rantanen is 2 years older, sure, some of it is playing in Colorado with 29 and 8, but not all of it. Rantanen is a stud, even more so in the playoffs. I think you're reading into a small Rant in Carolina and Necas in Colorado sample size. Rantanen is the better player, and if Necas gets 10 million per plus, I dont see that deal being better than Rantanen at 12 million per. 13 poor games with a new team in Carolina after getting blindsided by a trade does not undo how good Rantanen is.

 

[MessierThanThou]

You are 100% correct but because you are stating the obvious and going against the "Hate Skiner cult" you open yourself up for attack/insults.

Its a black and white issue after all...no nuance...no room for discussion. One side against the other...lol

No appetite for actually looking at a play objectively.
3 goals in the 3rd period....must mean Skinner is to blame. No room for discussion here.
Either you blame everything on Skinner or you are part of the "Love Skinner Cult"...."Skinner simps"...etc.
Such a joke.

All the while I see posts like..."checking with the legs means no hitting"...."Knoblauch is coaching the team to be soft"...etc.
Posts that are so f**king ridiculous and yet they merit discussion. LOL

Its like trying to understand how a play broke down and what really happened is forbidden conversation lest you be branded as a Skinner Simp.

This place is like Junior f**king High School sometimes.
/rant

First off, it's "Stu Simp." Get it right.

All I will say is this: That comeback was scary. That Dallas team was scary. I dread to see what the score could've been without Walman's monster performance and McDavid coming back from the dead. This team needs to stop blowing leads and letting their guard down when they're in a comfortable position.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

First off, it's "Stu Simp." Get it right.

All I will say is this: That comeback was scary. That Dallas team was scary. I dread to see what the score could've been without Walman's monster performance and McDavid coming back from the dead. This team needs to stop blowing leads and letting their guard down when they're in a comfortable position.

Well the Oilers managed to win despite getting 0 PPs to the Stars 3.

 

[Duke74]

He wont be with the team much longer. Not hard to see why he was waived.
Lots of speed and a whole lot of nothing else.

A whole lot of bad turnovers.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Last night's game was pretty fun in retrospect once the heart rate calmed down. They really didn't give up much at evens in the third. I think the only goal they really should've given up was the one that Skinner stopped.

I am a little bit sad that they weren't able to add a top six forward though. I feel like that would've really taken the energy in the building to the next level.

You can't keep adding when things don't go right. The clear holes were dman, goalie and size(see Evander Kane LA series then after)

At some point the guys you're paying...Nuge, Hyman and Arvy have to start helping.

Last nite that was the case and we got the result

 

[Duke74]

I agree.
Rantanen is such a smart and dangerous player. The thought of him on the 2nd line...that would make this team virtually impossible to defend against.

Imagine Draisaitl's numbers with Rantanen. Mac would be chasing him for the Art Ross rather than the other way around.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

First off, it's "Stu Simp." Get it right.

All I will say is this: That comeback was scary. That Dallas team was scary. I dread to see what the score could've been without Walman's monster performance and McDavid coming back from the dead. This team needs to stop blowing leads and letting their guard down when they're in a comfortable position.

Dallas also is missing their best player. With Heiskanen they are going to be a tough out for anyone.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Dallas also is missing their best player. With Heiskanen they are going to be a tough out for anyone.

That scares me too. But then we were also missing Kane, Frederic, and Ekholm...though we have to face the very real possibility that we may never truly get Ekholm back. Oh, and we were missing Jeff Skinner...by choice. A stupid f***ing idiotic choice.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

First off, it's "Stu Simp." Get it right.

All I will say is this: That comeback was scary. That Dallas team was scary. I dread to see what the score could've been without Walman's monster performance and McDavid coming back from the dead. This team needs to stop blowing leads and letting their guard down when they're in a comfortable position.

So their top players produce and if ours didn't its Stus fault lolol.

How about id hate to see what the score would've been if Wyatt, Robs and Rants failed to show up.

Only a simp keeps pointing fingers at his own team without recognizing the other

But hey, you're the "expert"

 

[MessierThanThou]

So their top players produce and if ours didn't its Stus fault lolol.

How about id hate to see what the score would've been if Wyatt, Robs and Rants failed to show up.

Only a simp keeps pointing fingers at his own team without recognizing the other

But hey, you're the "expert"

Aren't you one of the clowns who blame McDrai for losing the Cup over Skinner? LOL.

You can't keep adding when things don't go right. The clear holes were dman, goalie and size(see Evander Kane LA series then after)

At some point the guys you're paying...Nuge, Hyman and Arvy have to start helping.

Last nite that was the case and we got the result

Believe it or not...I actually agree with this.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Aren't you one of the clowns who blame McDrai for losing the Cup over Skinner? LOL.

The only goal we scored was by Janmark and their 2 best wingers scored...one who was left wide open.

Only a real clown would say it was one person's fault.

Like I said "expert". Note the quotations

Now go get your f'in red nose

 

[guymez]

First off, it's "Stu Simp." Get it right.

All I will say is this: That comeback was scary. That Dallas team was scary. I dread to see what the score could've been without Walman's monster performance and McDavid coming back from the dead. This team needs to stop blowing leads and letting their guard down when they're in a comfortable position.

LOL at the Stu Simp.

I agree with you...that was scary and Dallas is a scary team (and they are not even fully healthy) that can just take over a game.
Rantanen is a hell of a player and to think that the Oilers were a prospect away from securing him is crazy.
This team IMO would be unstoppable offensively with him on the 2nd line.

I think you nailed it too.
This team lets their guard down. They get mentally lazy and coast,
You can maybe do that for a period against a middling team but not against a team of the Stars caliber.

My hope is that what happened in last nights game was a positive. It further emphasizes that they need to start closing down games by playing a full game.
They have already proven in the past that they are capable of doing that.
They just have to commit to staying fully engaged for 60 minutes.

 

[MessierThanThou]

The only goal we scored was by Janmark and their 2 best wingers scored...one who was left wide open.

Only a clown would say it was one person's fault.

Like I said "expert". Note the quotations

So you ignore the muffin and give all credit to the player scoring it, while simultaneously blaming a guy for not scoring more than literal peak Gretzky and Lemieux and for not getting it done against the objectively better goalie on that night.

Nobody is blaming one guy for everything, but some players are more to blame than others.

 

[guymez]

A whole lot of bad turnovers.

Yup.
He just seems to have a pattern of making bad decisions.
Its a shame too because his speed is a real weapon.

 

[OilerTyler]

The only goal we scored was by Janmark and their 2 best wingers scored...one who was left wide open.

Only a real clown would say it was one person's fault.

Like I said "expert". Note the quotations

Now go get your f'in red nose

Teams that scored one goal were 3-34 in the playoffs last season. One of those wins was actually a Skinner shutout in the first round.

Blaming a goalie for losing a game in which his team only scored one goal is objectively crazy, especially when the team is supposed to be built around its offence like ours is. We aren't the dead puck era New Jersey Devils, our forwards need to show up if we are going to win. Saying that Draisaitl and McDavid (and every forward outside of Janmark) failed in game seven doesn't diminish what they did throughout the rest of the playoffs, it's just a fact. It's very, very hard to win playoff games when you score one goal.

If a person who could see the future told HFOil that Skinner would only allow two goals in game seven the people on here would've been celebrating. If the same person instead told us that McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Hyman etc. would have zero points we would've said we're f***ed. Skinner did his job by putting the team in a position to win. The forwards didn't show up. That's just the reality of the situation.

 

[Oilhawks]

Imagine Draisaitl's numbers with Rantanen. Mac would be chasing him for the Art Ross rather than the other way around.

Leon is a literal one-man army this season. It'll be a travesty when he doesn't win the Hart.