Proposal: Buffalo - Vancouver

[canadianmagpie]

Basically the deal is proposing a swap of each team's best defenseman. Obviously Buffalo are going to say Risto is worth a lot, just like Vancouver says Tanev is too.

I don't know what Risto is like because I haven't seen enough of him yet. It might be a good trade, bad trade or even trade I don't know enough to say one way or the other.

However, I have no interest in Kane at this time. For the Canucks, I'd prefer to have Tanev and Juolevi instead of Risto and Kane. Unless he comes for a 4th round pick, I wouldn't touch Kane.

 

[PG Canuck]

Yeah he is a decent 4d. 18 pts, yeah 4d.

It's 2016 and people are still stuck stat watching.

 

[PG Canuck]

Both teams likely pass anyways. Two assets they both want to keep, well, maybe not Kane I don't really know what they want to do with him.

 

[Dogewow]

Buffalo will keep Risto 11 times out of 10 in this scenario.

 

[Aladyyn]

Jim Corsi would stick his head in a lawn mower if Vancouver did this trade.

Would we be able to handle such a tragedy so soon after Tim Murray's stroke?

 

[wunderpanda]

Ristolainin + Kane

For

Tanev + Juolevi

Initially, I thought no. I have rose colored Risto glasses because he was a bright spot of the Nolan team and think he's gonna be pretty damn good.

Tanev is right now better than Risto and he's probably going to be cheaper for the next 4 seasons. Joulevi I wanted to pair with Risto, would be a coup to get him for 2 year rental until UFA Evander.

I'm torn on Kane. Even ignoring his 3 poor-publicity off-ice instances as a Sabre, he will be out of the teams price range when UFA status comes up. He didn't fit right with Eichel, don't think he'll fit on Okposo's line either.

I'd probably say yes from Buffalo, a whole lot easier to replace Kane as 3rd line forechecking LW than as an ill-fitting top 6 LW. Gives us more team control to extend the playoff window budget and would create at least 4m? in cap space while improving the short term defence. Kane makes 5m, Risto is unsigned, could get 5m. Tanev makes 4mx4y, Juolevi 1mx3y when he makes the NHL?

I'd be fine just keeping Risto & Kane as well, but the proposal seems like a tactical upgrade that is smart financially. No idea about the Nucks prospects or plans after the Sedin's contracts run down, but it looks like they'll have a ton of cap space with Miller, Burrows, Sedin's expiring consecutive summers.

 

[Aladyyn]

Initially, I thought no. I have rose colored Risto glasses because he was a bright spot of the Nolan team and think he's gonna be pretty damn good.

Tanev is right now better than Risto and he's probably going to be cheaper for the next 4 seasons. Joulevi I wanted to pair with Risto, would be a coup to get him for 2 year rental until UFA Evander.

I'm torn on Kane. Even ignoring his 3 poor-publicity off-ice instances as a Sabre, he will be out of the teams price range when UFA status comes up. He didn't fit right with Eichel, don't think he'll fit on Okposo's line either.

I'd probably say yes from Buffalo, a whole lot easier to replace Kane as 3rd line forechecking LW than as an ill-fitting top 6 LW. Gives us more team control to extend the playoff window budget and would create at least 4m? in cap space while improving the short term defence. Kane makes 5m, Risto is unsigned, could get 5m. Tanev makes 4mx4y, Juolevi 1mx3y when he makes the NHL?

I'd be fine just keeping Risto & Kane as well, but the proposal seems like a tactical upgrade that is smart financially. No idea about the Nucks prospects or plans after the Sedin's contracts run down, but it looks like they'll have a ton of cap space with Miller, Burrows, Sedin's expiring consecutive summers.

It's not an upgrade. Maybe if you think going into the season with Zach Bogosian as your best offensive D-man is an upgrade. Tanev instead of Risto makes the Sabres a significantly worse team, even if it might be an upgrade in a vacuum.

 

[Teeder9]

Losing Kane isn't nearly worth losing Risto

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Kane going one way Tanev going the other .... not likely

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Buffalo takes this and runs.

Vancouver says hell no.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

It's not an upgrade. Maybe if you think going into the season with Zach Bogosian as your best offensive D-man is an upgrade. Tanev instead of Risto makes the Sabres a significantly worse team, even if it might be an upgrade in a vacuum.

Yah who needs top pairing Dmen who STOP the other team from scoring, that would make any team significantly worse right?

 

[alicia]

Vancouver says no,

Jim Benning says yes

 

[Aladyyn]

Yah who needs top pairing Dmen who STOP the other team from scoring, that would make any team significantly worse right?

Most top pairing Dmen do that. Sabres' biggest weakness last season was transition and offensive contribution from the blueline. Yes, replacing Risto with Tanev would make them a worse team, without a doubt.

 

[Aladyyn]

Buffalo takes this and runs.

Vancouver says hell no.

Tim Murray would surely jump at the first opportunity to make the team worse when the goal is to make the playoffs

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Tim Murray would surely jump at the first opportunity to make the team worse when the goal is to make the playoffs

Yah it's a wonder why Edmonton gave a up a 1st line player for a Dman that makes then significantly worse right?

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Initially, I thought no. I have rose colored Risto glasses because he was a bright spot of the Nolan team and think he's gonna be pretty damn good.

Tanev is right now better than Risto and he's probably going to be cheaper for the next 4 seasons. Joulevi I wanted to pair with Risto, would be a coup to get him for 2 year rental until UFA Evander.

I'm torn on Kane. Even ignoring his 3 poor-publicity off-ice instances as a Sabre, he will be out of the teams price range when UFA status comes up. He didn't fit right with Eichel, don't think he'll fit on Okposo's line either.

I'd probably say yes from Buffalo, a whole lot easier to replace Kane as 3rd line forechecking LW than as an ill-fitting top 6 LW. Gives us more team control to extend the playoff window budget and would create at least 4m? in cap space while improving the short term defence. Kane makes 5m, Risto is unsigned, could get 5m. Tanev makes 4mx4y, Juolevi 1mx3y when he makes the NHL?

I'd be fine just keeping Risto & Kane as well, but the proposal seems like a tactical upgrade that is smart financially. No idea about the Nucks prospects or plans after the Sedin's contracts run down, but it looks like they'll have a ton of cap space with Miller, Burrows, Sedin's expiring consecutive summers.

Well said.

It would hurt to lose Risto.... but I'm fairly sure this deal would help the Sabres in the long game with two very solid high value defensive pieces even before you consider the financial / cap side.

For these reasons I don't think Vancouver considers the proposal.

 

[Mattilaus]

Yah it's a wonder why Edmonton gave a up a 1st line player for a Dman that makes then significantly worse right?

Did you miss the throngs of people and journalists saying they overpaid or.....?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Did you miss the throngs of people and journalists saying they overpaid or.....?

Yah, I also read the sound reasoning as to why the trade made sense, I also constantly read about how Dmen that put up points are far more valuable than Dmen that are very good at stopping the other team from scoring. It's HF boards logic and makes zero sense.

Also guys with potential are more valuable than proven commodities......

 

[Aladyyn]

Yah it's a wonder why Edmonton gave a up a 1st line player for a Dman that makes then significantly worse right?

That was 1) a completely different trade 2) completely different situation

Literally incomparable

Yet you try to draw a comparison?

 

[PetterssonSimp]

No doubt about Risto's potential and his now game, but his on ice impact is only now reaching the level Chris Tanev has been providing the Vancouver defence minimum 2 years of top pairing level defence, 2 previous years of Top4 level of defence. IMHO Risto is more of a 1/1 right now, but is also like 21.
The value difference comes at the age gap which provides the serious potential gap in Risto's top end, being his size and skating ability is crazy good.
But it seems people down play the ability Tanev has at suppressing shot against while not having to be a pure shot blocking Russell type. It's funny, the first year he got here we thought oh maybe one day he might become a #4D steady and efficient. Now it's how much more growing can he do? He's gone from undrafted college free agent to top pairing defender and regarded as one of the best pure shutdown type defenders along with Vlasic/Hjarm's of the world.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

That was 1) a completely different trade 2) completely different situation

Literally incomparable

Yet you try to draw a comparison?

Misguided sarcasm, my bad. I don't think either team does this trade.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

No doubt about Risto's potential and his now game, but his on ice impact is only now reaching the level Chris Tanev has been providing the Vancouver defence minimum 2 years of top pairing level defence, 2 previous years of Top4 level of defence. IMHO Risto is more of a 1/1 right now, but is also like 21.
The value difference comes at the age gap which provides the serious potential gap in Risto's top end, being his size and skating ability is crazy good.
But it seems people down play the ability Tanev has at suppressing shot against while not having to be a pure shot blocking Russell type. It's funny, the first year he got here we thought oh maybe one day he might become a #4D steady and efficient. Now it's how much more growing can he do? He's gone from undrafted college free agent to top pairing defender and regarded as one of the best pure shutdown type defenders along with Vlasic/Hjarm's of the world.

Looking at it this way... the side of the deal that swings this hugely in favour of Buffalo is Juolevi for Kane.

The way I look at it is:

Risto > Juolevi (possibly equal or even in favour of OJ in future but too early to tell right now. Risto's few years of experience give him the definite edge for now)

Tanev >> Kane (whichever way you look at it)

Regardless - you really should make the move from a Sabres POV whichever way you break it down

 

[Jannik Hansen]

Yeah he is a decent 4d. 18 pts, yeah 4d.

What is it about Tanevs game that makes you say he's only a decent 4?

 

[wonton15]

Both teams pass

As a Canucks fan, hell no to Evander Kane - probably wouldn't take him for free.

 

[ForsakenSabre]

Both teams pass

As a Canucks fan, hell no to Evander Kane - probably wouldn't take him for free.

Jim benning