Proposal: Buffalo Utah

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Buffalo is looking to shake things up and I believe Smith wants playoffs this year. What I am offering is a trade for Byran. The two key players I am offering are having an off year but would be a strong fit in Buffalo.

Byran for Crouse, Maccelli and Cole. Utah gets the best player but Buffalo gets a young power forward that play strong defence and normally good for 15 to 20 goals, Maccelli who is also young and has a high offensive ceiling and Cole who can help fill the void of Byran. This should help Buffalo and help speed up Utah development. Utah could add picks but I dont see Buffalo wanting that. You could change Cole with Skahan but once again Buffalo wants to win now.
Frankly as a Sabres fan I think I do this. Cole brings a welcome edge to the blueline and some veteran awareness. Crouse is kind of exactly what we need more of in the middle 6. Maccelli would also be a welcome playmaking addition to our top 9.

As I'm thinking about this, I wonder if the Sabres need to send something back to get those 3....something smaller. Maybe Peyton Krebs -- natural C, solid defensively, a bit feisty....maybe some untapped offensive upside?
 

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Frankly as a Sabres fan I think I do this. Cole brings a welcome edge to the blueline and some veteran awareness. Crouse is kind of exactly what we need more of in the middle 6. Maccelli would also be a welcome playmaking addition to our top 9.

As I'm thinking about this, I wonder if the Sabres need to send something back to get those 3....something smaller. Maybe Peyton Krebs -- natural C, solid defensively, a bit feisty....maybe some untapped offensive upside?

Cmon. Crouse and Macelli combined have less points than Byram this season. It’s trading a quarter for 3 nickels…and one of the nickels is 35.
 

Fjordy

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Cmon. Crouse and Macelli combined have less points than Byram this season. It’s trading a quarter for 3 nickels…and one of the nickels is 35.
If they played like they did in previous seasons they probably wouldn't be very available. Trading Byram for wingers seems questionable, but those players could be interesting. Although I'm probably even more interested in Kesselring and Hayton.
 

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Frankly as a Sabres fan I think I do this. Cole brings a welcome edge to the blueline and some veteran awareness. Crouse is kind of exactly what we need more of in the middle 6. Maccelli would also be a welcome playmaking addition to our top 9.

As I'm thinking about this, I wonder if the Sabres need to send something back to get those 3....something smaller. Maybe Peyton Krebs -- natural C, solid defensively, a bit feisty....maybe some untapped offensive upside?

I would do this too. Maccelli is having a down season, but his output the past 2 years would be good enough to be on our 2nd line, and he’s still young. I’m not sure Byram even wants to re-sign in Buffalo, which many Sabres fans assume. This is exactly the kind of trade I would look for.
 
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miscs75

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Yeah.

Apparently they want some dude named Bryan, or maybe Byran?

Never heard of him.
That Byran dude is the social media manager for those TikTok moms who had the whole swinging scandal amongst each other.
 

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I don't think Maccelli fits on our roster, and we aren't making the playoffs this year so Cole is rather pointless.

I do want Crouse; I think he's exactly what we're lacking. However, Byram holds far more value IMO and he should be used to get a more elite player.
 

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Utah's line of Maccelli, Bjug, Crouse is simply not clicking. At some point they might have a resurgence but a change of scenery might be the best for them and address a defensive need. I would never had thought of trading Crouse in particular, players like him are hard to acquire.

Byram would be great(and would love to add him) but Is someone like Romanov available? I would like a LD that can pair well with Kesselring or Durzi not named Valimaki.
2025
Sergachev / Marino
Romanov / Durzi
Simashev / Kesselring

Koly-Duda-Szuber / Lamoureux
 

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Utah's line of Maccelli, Bjug, Crouse is simply not clicking. At some point they might have a resurgence but a change of scenery might be the best for them and address a defensive need. I would never had thought of trading Crouse in particular, players like him are hard to acquire.

Byram would be great(and would love to add him) but Is someone like Romanov available? I would like a LD that can pair well with Kesselring or Durzi not named Valimaki.
2025
Sergachev / Marino
Romanov / Durzi
Simashev / Kesselring

Koly-Duda-Szuber /

I'm hoping for a Provorov trade and don't think a 1st will be involved.
 

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Also DC to answer your question is I see him as a number 2 Dman. Has offensive flair and has a good break out pass. We can easily retain on one of them too. Perfect partner for Serg
He is definitely not the perfect partner for Sergachev who is Byram but better lol. Byram is closer to a 4D than he is a 2D. You're heavily overrating him here. If he was as good as you say, Buffalo would just keep him as the perfect partner for Power/Dahlin.
 

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He is definitely not the perfect partner for Sergachev who is Byram but better lol. Byram is closer to a 4D than he is a 2D. You're heavily overrating him here. If he was as good as you say, Buffalo would just keep him as the perfect partner for Power/Dahlin.
Actually Byram, depending of circumstances, is a 1/2 D. He will run PP 1 and play 25 minutes on most clubs.
 

Dead Coyote

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Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Sure is. I am and was a big fan of Byram but 50 games of him in a Sabres uniform doesn't magically get rid of all the concerns I've had with him in the past. He has played exactly one season close to 82 games and while I'm rooting for the guy (seriously, you have no idea how much I want him to succeed) he's potentially a few injuries away from being a former shell of himself. He's also had a lot of concussion issues and if more of those happen I wouldn't bet on him hitting his potential.

Of course, at this point, we don't know if any of things will ever happen again. Just a possibility. A little more dangerous with a player who has had so many in his short career though.

On the ice, I agree that he's a great PP QB and is a strong puck mover in general. He absolutely is a great piece to have. However he isn't a defensive stalwart. He lacks consistency in that department. Of course, he's young. He's also coming up for a new contract. Buffalo and Utah share a lot of the same problems. Having too many offensive D and not enough stay at home guys who shut down offense especially well is one of them. Utah has Sergachev and Durzi along Valimaki (who is arguably not even a top 4D) and to a lesser degree Marino, all PMD guys with varying defensive ability.

Buffalo has Power, Dahlin, and Byram. Samuelsson arguably.

These two teams are not good fits for a trade involving defenseman with each other.

Actually Byram, depending of circumstances, is a 1/2 D. He will run PP 1 and play 25 minutes on most clubs.
Right. But he's not beating out Sergachev on Utah right now, which is what this whole discussion is about. I also don't see him beating out a lot of D-men on a lot of rosters, but I will concede that he is probably better this season than I have thought. I just value a #1D label very highly, to me there are teams without a #1D. Byram would be a great asset to get, even on a team like Utah that has a logjam at RHD already, but trading 3 players for one is a huge risk, especially with players like Crouse and Maccelli.

Byram for Crouse? Sure. Byram for Maccelli? Sure. Byram for Kesselring+ Sure, why not. Byram for Cole+? f*** it, why not.

Byram for Crouse, Macelli, and Cole? Hell no.

I'm not even advocating that the Sabres should trade him, but Utah just isn't a good trade fit regardless. I'd love to get him on Seattle who has much less depth and could probably afford to trade prospects or vets out, but I also think he has less value than most Sabres fans do, and that's fine. Sometimes a fit just isn't there. I'm not insulting the guy, being a #4D at 23 is a very good achievement, and I think he's above that, I just don't think he's close to being a bonafide #1D currently.
 

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Right. But he's not beating out Sergachev on Utah right now, which is what this whole discussion is about. I also don't see him beating out a lot of D-men on a lot of rosters, but I will concede that he is probably better this season than I have thought. I just value a #1D label very highly, to me there are teams without a #1D. Byram would be a great asset to get, even on a team like Utah that has a logjam at RHD already, but trading 3 players for one is a huge risk, especially with players like Crouse and Maccelli.

Byram for Crouse? Sure. Byram for Maccelli? Sure. Byram for Kesselring+ Sure, why not. Byram for Cole+? f*** it, why not.

Byram for Crouse, Macelli, and Cole? Hell no.

I'm not even advocating that the Sabres should trade him, but Utah just isn't a good trade fit regardless. I'd love to get him on Seattle who has much less depth and could probably afford to trade prospects or vets out, but I also think he has less value than most Sabres fans do, and that's fine. Sometimes a fit just isn't there. I'm not insulting the guy, being a #4D at 23 is a very good achievement, and I think he's above that, I just don't think he's close to being a bonafide #1D currently.
Well it could be Byram+ for Kesselring + Crouse for example. Byram is more like a #2D now, he has been playing in the first pair almost the whole season and has been playing well, he can move the puck, he can provide some defense, although it is not his strong point, he is still young and already experienced enough, he can also play RD. Obviously it makes no sense for us to trade him cheap or for example for a winger, since our main problems are RD and top 6 C. Kesselring fills this need, Crouse is the type of winger we need.

Not sure why Seattle would want Byram with Dunn and Montour in the top 4. But it's also unclear how they could find a good deal there.
 

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As a UHC fan, I would much rather try and aquire Cozens to get an upgrade at the C position. Doubt he is the 68 point guy that got him a big contract but he should be a solid #2C for years. Pair him with Keller so HC can move Hayton down to 3C.

Would Crouse + Schmaltz for Cozens + Greenway get the conversation started?
 

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As a UHC fan, I would much rather try and aquire Cozens to get an upgrade at the C position. Doubt he is the 68 point guy that got him a big contract but he should be a solid #2C for years. Pair him with Keller so HC can move Hayton down to 3C.

Would Crouse + Schmaltz for Cozens + Greenway get the conversation started?

I wouldn't hate it if Buffalo had a better Center spine. I'd rather something different than Schmaltz however.

Buffalo can't afford to move Cozens at this time unless it is for an upgrade on him.
 

Fjordy

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I wouldn't hate it if Buffalo had a better Center spine. I'd rather something different than Schmaltz however.

Buffalo can't afford to move Cozens at this time unless it is for an upgrade on him.
We have Kulich and McLeod, but I agree that Schmalz is not the right part. If it was someone like Kesselring, I would think about it, but otherwise I would not make this deal.
 

Fjordy

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McLeod can not handle 2C .. Kulich is 20 .. he should not be forced in to this role so soon
Well we can get 2C somewhere else. If we get a top 4 RD and a guy like Crouse I would think about it.
 

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