Proposal: Buffalo / NY Rangers: Power + J. Quinn for Schneider + Cuylle

[DJN21]

Dont you dare come in here making sense! Power is a 1st overall draft pick so we value him more because of reasons!

If schneider weren't a RHD literally no one would care about him or for him.

 

[qcal1427]

That's a good reason for Buffalo to not want to trade Power. It isn't something that would give Power a ton of value to another team. The risk with acquiring Power is that a team would be giving up top trade assets for a player who hasn't yet played up to his cap hit. Buffalo worries that is might be trading away 2012 Hedman. Acquiring teams worry that they might be acquiring Wade Redden. You want the acquiring team to take all the risk AND pay top value for it. That's not how trades (by competent GMs) work.

Put another way, Power is a lot like Lafreniere in my view. Both former top picks. Both with some success, but not the level of success you would have hoped to see by now. Both worth more to their teams than to teams that might want to trade for them.

Again, for me, I would rather spend that kind of money of a player who is more of a sure thing than on Power. Because if you swing and miss on Power, you won't have the $$ to fill the slot he was meant to fill.

Power for Laf would make much more sense than this

 

[bernmeister]

Legitimately wondering -- what is the appeal of Braden Schneider. Doesn't really score, certainly doesn't drive play. Is he literally just big? Almost 300 NHL games too so it's not like he has that much more runway for improvement

disagree, and also his game is not that bad, it is actually good imo [why VAN + others keep asking for him] and yes, could be better, but like KAM, issue is less them and one of achieving proper chemistry with correct partner

Also decent size, PLUS MOBILITY, PUCK HANDLING and is young [23]

 

[smoneil]

Legitimately wondering -- what is the appeal of Braden Schneider. Doesn't really score, certainly doesn't drive play. Is he literally just big? Almost 300 NHL games too so it's not like he has that much more runway for improvement

He's a solid #4 D-man who has shown flashes of being a #3. At a $2.2M cap hit, that's a pretty valuable thing. He's approaching the point soon, though, where he's going to expect more money, and his play will need to improve to line up with that next contract. If it doesn't, perceptions of his value will likely start to shift (seen it over and over again, particularly with defense-first d-men).

 

[AirGut]

now this is an actual interesting proposal. I'd consider it because a proper top-4 LHD instead of K.Miller is what the team needs but Cuylle is going to be Tkachuk Lite by the time he turns 27, he's a f***ing TANK. I don't think it'd be worth it for a team that needs more players like him not less.

Rangers & Buffalo are never going to be realistic trade partners again because of the Eichel stuff I think.

 

[smoneil]

now this is an actual interesting proposal. I'd consider it because a proper top-4 LHD instead of K.Miller is what the team needs but Cuylle is going to be Tkachuk Lite by the time he turns 27, he's a f***ing TANK. I don't think it'd be worth it for a team that needs more players like him not less.

Rangers & Buffalo are never going to be realistic trade partners again because of the Eichel stuff I think.

...The Rangers and Buffalo literally just made a trade less than a month ago. I think fans put more stock in the Eichel bad blood than either team's front office.

I'd pump the brakes a bit on Cuylle. Great young player, but I'd be wary of putting him on a pedestal he is HIGHLY unlikely to reach. He doesn't need to be "Tkachuk Lite"--if he maxes out as an average 2nd line wing who can PK and provide energy/physical play, we'll be lucky. I'm thinking more Ryan Callahan than long lost Tkachuk brother.

I also don't see what you see in Power. If Power weren't a former 1st overall, we wouldn't even be interested in him. He's big but not physical (sound familiar?). He puts up some points, but not as many as we would hope (sound familiar?). He's prone to mental lapses on defense. Power is a more expensive, higher-pedigreed version of K'Andre Miller. His ceiling is MUCH higher than Miller's, but at $8+M/per, I'm not looking to gamble.

 

[AirGut]

...The Rangers and Buffalo literally just made a trade less than a month ago. I think fans put more stock in the Eichel bad blood than either team's front office.

I'd pump the brakes a bit on Cuylle. Great young player, but I'd be wary of putting him on a pedestal he is HIGHLY unlikely to reach. He doesn't need to be "Tkachuk Lite"--if he maxes out as an average 2nd line wing who can PK and provide energy/physical play, we'll be lucky. I'm thinking more Ryan Callahan than long lost Tkachuk brother.

I also don't see what you see in Power. If Power weren't a former 1st overall, we wouldn't even be interested in him. He's big but not physical (sound familiar?). He puts up some points, but not as many as we would hope (sound familiar?). He's prone to mental lapses on defense. Power is a more expensive, higher-pedigreed version of K'Andre Miller. His ceiling is MUCH higher than Miller's, but at $8+M/per, I'm not looking to gamble.

Oh yeah, Aube-Kubel, forgot about that completely. Still, when it comes to bigger name players in trades I just don't know if BUF-NYR could get along. I agree Cuylle hype is over the moon because he's the only one on the team who hasn't truly regressed but he's a great player to have integrated as a core piece. Who he really kinda reminds me of is a young Nick Foligno.

I'm just sick of K.Miller's giveaway GA plays every other game, it's killing the team slowly from the inside because he's supposed to have been the LD to balance off of Fox and make the TOP-4 stronger but he's been god awful for the past couple years now and hasn't truly shifted his game into next gear. I'd take Power over Miller easily right now even though it's not that much of an upgrade on paper.

 

[Djp]

Power for Laf would make much more sense than this

How much more are rangers adding? Hoe much they retain?

I also don't see what you see in Power. If Power weren't a former 1st overall, we wouldn't even be interested in him. He's big but not physical (sound familiar?). He puts up some points, but not as many as we would hope (sound familiar?).

People forget 25/26 is his 22 yr old season

People didnt think highly of Hedman after he finished his 21 yr old season.said similar things on Chara.

 

[smoneil]

How much more are rangers adding? Hoe much they retain?



People forget 25/26 is his 22 yr old season

People didnt think highly of Hedman after he finished his 21 yr old season.said similar things on Chara.

The Rangers are neither adding, nor retaining, nor offering Laf. Both players are worth more to their respective teams than they are to any other. Let's stick to rolling the dice that we already have.

Re: your consistent effort to frame Power as the second coming of Hedman or Chara, I've heard this song and dance before. Buffalo sang the same tune for Ristolainen. Power is much more likely to turn into the next Risto than he is the next Hedman or Chara. That "maybe" is what makes Power intriguing, but nobody is going to pay top dollar for intrigue, especially when he's already been paid as if he were a sure thing. And that's precisely why Buffalo should just keep him.

The funny part is that you don't even seem to recognize your blatant homerism. You expect the discounted rate for Laf because he hasn't yet lived up to his full potential, but you expect the inflated rate for Power, based almost solely on his unachieved potential. You can't get both.

 

[Djp]

The funny part is that you don't even seem to recognize your blatant homerism. You expect the discounted rate for Laf because he hasn't yet lived up to his full potential, but you expect the inflated rate for Power, based almost solely on his unachieved potential. You can't get both.

What is your definition of homerism?

Buffalo dors not need a einger like Laf.

I have sern m.j any bigger sized pkayers develop latervin their career. Im willing to wait.

The issues are him using his size and improving his defensive side

 

[DJN21]

The Rangers are neither adding, nor retaining, nor offering Laf. Both players are worth more to their respective teams than they are to any other. Let's stick to rolling the dice that we already have.

Re: your consistent effort to frame Power as the second coming of Hedman or Chara, I've heard this song and dance before. Buffalo sang the same tune for Ristolainen. Power is much more likely to turn into the next Risto than he is the next Hedman or Chara. That "maybe" is what makes Power intriguing, but nobody is going to pay top dollar for intrigue, especially when he's already been paid as if he were a sure thing. And that's precisely why Buffalo should just keep him.

The funny part is that you don't even seem to recognize your blatant homerism. You expect the discounted rate for Laf because he hasn't yet lived up to his full potential, but you expect the inflated rate for Power, based almost solely on his unachieved potential. You can't get both.

If Power played anything like Risto in terms of physicality there would be no Sabres fan in the world looking to give him away.....

 

[MOGlLNY]

The Rangers are neither adding, nor retaining, nor offering Laf. Both players are worth more to their respective teams than they are to any other. Let's stick to rolling the dice that we already have.

Re: your consistent effort to frame Power as the second coming of Hedman or Chara, I've heard this song and dance before. Buffalo sang the same tune for Ristolainen. Power is much more likely to turn into the next Risto than he is the next Hedman or Chara. That "maybe" is what makes Power intriguing, but nobody is going to pay top dollar for intrigue, especially when he's already been paid as if he were a sure thing. And that's precisely why Buffalo should just keep him.

The funny part is that you don't even seem to recognize your blatant homerism. You expect the discounted rate for Laf because he hasn't yet lived up to his full potential, but you expect the inflated rate for Power, based almost solely on his unachieved potential. You can't get both.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about if you're comparing Power and Risto. They are nothing alike. In any way. Play, analytics, eye test, their personalities. Nothing. They are actually the antithesis of one another.

 

[TommyDangles]

If schneider weren't a RHD literally no one would care about him or for him.

Schneider's value by Rangers fans has always been what he can turn into. He was gonna be a stud two way top 4 RD. Now he's about to turn 24 and he's still in the same spot he was 3 years ago during the Eichel talks. He's just a top 6 RD that gets overrated by Rangers fans.

 

[TommyDangles]

The Rangers are neither adding, nor retaining, nor offering Laf. Both players are worth more to their respective teams than they are to any other. Let's stick to rolling the dice that we already have.

Re: your consistent effort to frame Power as the second coming of Hedman or Chara, I've heard this song and dance before. Buffalo sang the same tune for Ristolainen. Power is much more likely to turn into the next Risto than he is the next Hedman or Chara. That "maybe" is what makes Power intriguing, but nobody is going to pay top dollar for intrigue, especially when he's already been paid as if he were a sure thing. And that's precisely why Buffalo should just keep him.

The funny part is that you don't even seem to recognize your blatant homerism. You expect the discounted rate for Laf because he hasn't yet lived up to his full potential, but you expect the inflated rate for Power, based almost solely on his unachieved potential. You can't get both.

Yea Power & Ristolainen. Very similar types of players

Power is already a good offensive top 4 D. He's 16th in the league in even strength points.

Power has 4 points less than Laf while not even being on the PP1. At this point I think Power would be a better forward than Laf is.

 

[smoneil]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about if you're comparing Power and Risto. They are nothing alike. In any way. Play, analytics, eye test, their personalities. Nothing. They are actually the antithesis of one another.

Yea Power & Ristolainen. Very similar types of players

Power is already a good offensive top 4 D. He's 16th in the league in even strength points.

Power has 4 points less than Laf while not even being on the PP1. At this point I think Power would be a better forward than Laf is.

It seemed pretty obvious that I made the comparison due to the "he's going to have the Norris Trophy re-named for him any season now" kind of hype that Buffalo fans put on both players. Other than hype, I made no other comparison, and Risto never quite lived up to it.

 

[DJN21]

It seemed pretty obvious that I made the comparison due to the "he's going to have the Norris Trophy re-named for him any season now" kind of hype that Buffalo fans put on both players. Other than hype, I made no other comparison, and Risto never quite lived up to it.

no you literally just did it again and made shit up lol

 

[Djp]

It seemed pretty obvious that I made the comparison due to the "he's going to have the Norris Trophy re-named for him any season now" kind of hype that Buffalo fans put on both players.

Who said that?

I didnt, anf I dont recall other sabres posters saying that either.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Legitimately wondering -- what is the appeal of Braden Schneider. Doesn't really score, certainly doesn't drive play. Is he literally just big? Almost 300 NHL games too so it's not like he has that much more runway for improvement

He has slowly increased in points, still young, can skate good enough to keep up with the play, plays physical while not being too aggressive to take penalties but will fight if needed. Only 23, 24 in September. One of the few physical dman that Rangers have.

 

[bernmeister]

Schneider's value by Rangers fans has always been what he can turn into. He was gonna be a stud two way top 4 RD. Now he's about to turn 24 and he's still in the same spot he was 3 years ago during the Eichel talks. He's just a top 6 RD that gets overrated by Rangers fans.

sez you!
sure like almost everyone else, there is almost always room for improvement.

But no, yr assessment is off, and that is why VAN and others constantly have pressed his name to be part of deals and why Rs have said no.

 

[qcal1427]

He has slowly increased in points, still young, can skate good enough to keep up with the play, plays physical while not being too aggressive to take penalties but will fight if needed. Only 23, 24 in September. One of the few physical dman that Rangers have.

All things that could've been said about Ryan Lindgren

 

[TommyDangles]

sez you!
sure like almost everyone else, there is almost always room for improvement.

But no, yr assessment is off, and that is why VAN and others constantly have pressed his name to be part of deals and why Rs have said no.

Teams being interested in him doesn't mean the assessment is off

Eye test, metrics, deployment all agree

Top 6 RDs are still sought after around the league. Many teams were after Willl Borgen. Just no where close to Power value.

 

[Fatass]

Not too sure if the Rangers have what Power would cost?

 

[bernmeister]

Teams being interested in him doesn't mean the assessment is off

Eye test, metrics, deployment all agree

Top 6 RDs are still sought after around the league. Many teams were after Willl Borgen. Just no where close to Power value.

that teams are interested suggests different eyes see different things

I agree dif teams w/dif needs value assets differently, in part depending on needs

Schneid e.g., is worth a premium to club like LA, no young RD forcing restraint, and concern about affording Gavrikov as ufa
to other clubs, legit value, but not nec a premium

Borgen similar as to a parallel.

Agree neither is worth Power due to combo of factors incl BUF needs.

 

[bernmeister]

Not too sure if the Rangers have what Power would cost?

think first step is decide what do Sabes want/need, and then see if that is a fit for Rs

 

[Fatass]

think first step is decide what do Sabes want/need, and then see if that is a fit for Rs

Sure, but the Sabres need to adjust their core. What do the Rangers have to return that will help change the Sabres’ core? IMO Schneider, although a decent player, is a complimentary piece and not a core guy. Would the Sabres want Lafreniere?