Post-Game Talk: Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo

[Machinehead]

MILLER LINDGREN NEED TO GO

Look at this guy trying to get everyone back together.

 

[Machinehead]

Mine is virtual and doesn't really exist since the bank loans it out to made money. I'll take your word that it's green.

One of my cards that the money comes out of is green.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I'd be down to trade Kreider to Dallas for a haul and get rid of Lindgren and Miller asap in good hockey trades.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Bob already made this point, but that's what he was playing last year when he apparently saved the season.

Does that 3 minutes a game make a difference or doesn't it? We can't go both ways on it.

He gets the crowd going at home. Whether or not getting the crowd going affects the rest of the team is anyone's guess.

 

[McRanger92]

He gets the crowd going at home. Whether or not getting the crowd going affects the rest of the team is anyone's guess.

The players have said it does. But when I say it, Im way out on a limb apparently.

 

[Machinehead]

The players have said it does. But when I say it, Im way out on a limb apparently.

Those same players would all tell you Zibanejad is irreplaceable.

 

[TGWL]

What push back did fans expect NYR to have last night? Are we talking playing with some balls, or are we talking taking matters into their own hands to deal with Greenway?

Greenway played 24 shifts last night. Even with Rempe in the lineup, we're probably not line-matching that and expecting Rempe to contain him all night. Greenway rarely starts fights that aren't sticking up for a teammates. He's a big, strong player, with good balance on his feet who's tough to knock over. He's a strong player who wont back down. He had to stick up for himself after a clean hit on Brady this year, but most of his fights are few punches followed by a wrestling match where he's on the losing side of things.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I'd be down to trade Kreider to Dallas for a haul and get rid of Lindgren and Miller asap in good hockey trades.

I'd be down to give Lindgren away for a bag of old socks.

 

[Machinehead]

What push back did fans expect NYR to have last night? Are we talking playing with some balls, or are we talking taking matters into their own hands to deal with Greenway?

Greenway played 24 shifts last night. Even with Rempe in the lineup, we're probably not line-matching that and expecting Rempe to contain him all night. Greenway rarely starts fights that aren't sticking up for a teammates. He's a big, strong player, with good balance on his feet who's tough to knock over. He's a strong player who wont back down. He had to stick up for himself after a clean hit on Brady this year, but most of his fights are few punches followed by a wrestling match where he's on the losing side of things.

I wouldn't mind a player like Greenway. Or at least this version of Greenway, because he's a little inconsistent.

 

[McRanger92]

Those same players would all tell you Zibanejad is irreplaceable.

This team plays so scared now they sleep with a night light on. It wasnt the case last year. It doesnt need to be Rempe, but the team needs to add players who will protect their net and teammates. Jordan greenway literally ragdolled Lindgren into Igor at one point, and injured our only D'man over 6'2 and then 5'10 Vinny Trocheck had to be the guy to body up to him. If you dont think thats a major problem with the team right now, idk what to tell you. And it all ties into how the defense and top 6 are constructed. They arent just soft because they dont stand up for themselves. They're soft because they don't hit, they don't forecheck, they dont block shots and they dont fight to get to the middle of the ice. Thats true "soft" hockey and the Rangers play it to a T.

 

[Machinehead]

This team plays so scared now they sleep with a night light on. It wasnt the case last year. It doesnt need to be Rempe, but the team needs to add players who will protect their net and teammates. Jordan greenway literally ragdolled Lindgren into Igor at one point, and injured our only D'man over 6'2 and then 5'10 Vinny Trocheck had to be the guy to body up to him. If you dont think thats a major problem with the team right now, idk what to tell you. And it all ties into how the defense and top 6 are constructed. They arent just soft because they dont stand up for themselves. They're soft because they don't hit, they don't forecheck, they dont block shots and they dont fight to get to the middle of the ice. Thats true "soft" hockey and the Rangers play it to a T.

And now we're back to "this wasn't the case last year."

I can't. You're Larry Brooks.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Hopefully a boost in confidence for Fox seeing that empty netter go in last night and he starts potting a few goals.

 

[McRanger92]

And now we're back to "this wasn't the case last year."

I can't. You're Larry Brooks.

I know you're trying to insult me, but Larry's had better takes than you recently.

 

[TGWL]

I wouldn't mind a player like Greenway. Or at least this version of Greenway, because he's a little inconsistent.

Same. But I also wouldn't expect another team to think we need a Rempe to contain him. He's a UFA so he could be a target at deadline if we somehow stay in the wild card/playoff race. I don't think I'd give him 16 minutes a game like Buffalo is doing, though.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

This team plays so scared now they sleep with a night light on. It wasnt the case last year. It doesnt need to be Rempe, but the team needs to add players who will protect their net and teammates. Jordan greenway literally ragdolled Lindgren into Igor at one point, and injured our only D'man over 6'2 and then 5'10 Vinny Trocheck had to be the guy to body up to him. If you dont think thats a major problem with the team right now, idk what to tell you. And it all ties into how the defense and top 6 are constructed. They arent just soft because they dont stand up for themselves. They're soft because they don't hit, they don't forecheck, they dont block shots and they dont fight to get to the middle of the ice. Thats true "soft" hockey and the Rangers play it to a T.

I'm basing this solely off what I see with no stats to back it up, but I don't really think this team is that much different than last year's in their style of play. The main difference to me is weaker goaltending & a power play not clicking to mask their issues. Their 5v5 play has not been good for years now and you're never going to win a cup like that (it also has nothing to do with a confidence boost imo).

The changes they made this summer didn't do anything to address that. We are rolling out the same guys in the hopes that players "take a step" and become something they haven't proven to be for multiple seasons.

I don't really know what's next, probably not a complete teardown, but they certainly need to do more than shuffle peripheral pieces.

 

[Machinehead]

I know you're trying to insult me, but Larry's had better takes than you recently.

Larry just screams "the team is soft and I hate everyone" for years on end, so he's going to be right eventually.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm basing this solely off what I see with no stats to back it up, but I don't really think this team is that much different than last year's in their style of play. The main difference to me is weaker goaltending & a power play not clicking to mask their issues. Their 5v5 play has not been good for years now and you're never going to win a cup like that (it also has nothing to do with a confidence boost imo).

The changes they made this summer didn't do anything to address that. We are rolling out the same guys in the hopes that players "take a step" and become something they haven't proven to be for multiple seasons.

I don't really know what's next, probably not a complete teardown, but they certainly need to do more than shuffle peripheral pieces.

Id say they have similar issues as last year too. This year their PP and top 6 have been atrocious. My personal opinion, that offends so many, is that they need bodies who will drag the team into the fight. We don't have that. I dont want it to be a plug like Rempe, but last year that worked in a limited role.

If you add a Frederic, a Greenway, an Olivier or 2, to the middle of the lineup, it would change a lot for the better. Even moreso if you could find a defenseman who plays a hardnosed style. Middleton was a guy a few years back that I wanted.

 

[Machinehead]

Let's say you purge all if the usual suspects, which pretty much everyone wants to do, and in the next couple of years, you're moving forward with a group that inlcudes: Chytil, Cuylle, Laf, Berard, Edstrom, Trocheck, Othmann, Sykora, maybe Rempe.

That group doesn't need more north-south, it needs more skill. If you think we need more grit, fine, but we don't need to outsource it. It's coming. The pipeline has very little east-west talent outside of Perreault.

I know, those types of players are expensive. That's why you shouldn't waste money on face-punching third liners. Cuylle, Berard, and Trocheck are going to be versions of the guys suggested that are better at everything.

Hell, Trocheck might be less expensive than Frederic on Frederic's next contract!!

 

[Fitzy]

Let's say you purge all if the usual suspects, which pretty much everyone wants to do, and in the next couple of years, you're moving forward with a group that inlcudes: Chytil, Cuylle, Laf, Berard, Edstrom, Trocheck, Othmann, Sykora, maybe Rempe.

That group doesn't need more north-south, it needs more skill. If you think we need more grit, fine, but we don't need to outsource it. It's coming. The pipeline has very little east-west talent outside of Perreault.

I know, those types of players are expensive. That's why you shouldn't waste money on face-punching third liners. Cuylle, Berard, and Trocheck are going to be versions of the guys suggested that are better at everything.

Hell, Trocheck might be less expensive than Frederic on Frederic's next contract!!

I think we need to strongly consider re-signing Panarin (If he wants to stay) if no other better skill players magically hit open UFA and are interested in signing here like the McDavid pipe dream.

It's not ideal, but there's solid evidence that Panarin will still be plenty good until 37-38 years. Whether he just hits a wall like MSL we don't know, but I think bringing him back should be part of te consideration even if we say goodbye to Kreider, Zibanejad, Smith, Miller, Lindgren

 

[Machinehead]

I think we need to strongly consider re-signing Panarin (If he wants to stay) if no other better skill players magically hit open UFA and are interested in signing here like the McDavid pipe dream.

It's not ideal, but there's solid evidence that Panarin will still be plenty good until 37-38 years. Whether he just hits a wall like MSL we don't know, but I think bringing him back should be part of te consideration even if we say goodbye to Kreider, Zibanejad, Smith, Miller, Lindgren

It depends, as it always does, on what his ask is and how dumb other teams are willing to be, but absolutely we should consider it.

The next core group of players has a stark lack of talent.

It is, after all, the Rangers.

 

[will1066]

You're better off signing up with al Kreider. Better environment. Better benefits.

C'mon this was funny @Machinehead. I actually laughed myself. Even Bob liked it.

 

[Machinehead]

Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere
Berard-?????-Perreault
Cuylle-Trocheck-Othmann/Sykora
Edstrom-Idk sign someone-Chmelar

Vakawhatever-Fox
?????-Schneider
Jones-Mancini

Just get rid of Zibanejad somehow and use Miller, whichever one of Othmann/Sykora, Kreider, and possibly free agency to fill the gaps WITH SKILL please! I'd go into battle with that group.

The missing center should be like a Brad Richards was for us. He added to the ability to carry the puck and make zone entries to a caveman ass team and he was a good signing.

 

[Machinehead]

C'mon this was funny @Machinehead. I actually laughed myself. Even Bob liked it.

Don't go begging for likes.

 

[will1066]

Don't go begging for likes.

I have no shame.

 

[McRanger92]

Let's say you purge all if the usual suspects, which pretty much everyone wants to do, and in the next couple of years, you're moving forward with a group that inlcudes: Chytil, Cuylle, Laf, Berard, Edstrom, Trocheck, Othmann, Sykora, maybe Rempe.

That group doesn't need more north-south, it needs more skill. If you think we need more grit, fine, but we don't need to outsource it. It's coming. The pipeline has very little east-west talent outside of Perreault.

I know, those types of players are expensive. That's why you shouldn't waste money on face-punching third liners. Cuylle, Berard, and Trocheck are going to be versions of the guys suggested that are better at everything.

Hell, Trocheck might be less expensive than Frederic on Frederic's next contract!!

Trade Trocheck and replace him with Frederic lol. Trocheck looks incredibly washed. He's lucky he stayed conscious during the fight with Aube-Kubel. The way these guys skate and get pushed off the puck makes me think conditioning is an issue.