joshjull
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What a dude. Makes me want to shout.
He certainly seems like great dude.
What a dude. Makes me want to shout.
I don't know, but if you go by the data posted above, your taxes would go up, apparently. NYC is paying net money into your coffers. Maybe you got nothing to show for it, but that's a separate issue.
Not necessarily. It's true that upstate receives more in spending than it pays in taxes, but it's also true that what it does pay in taxes is as much as it is largely because of state mandates (on Medicaid and other programs) which are set mainly by downstate politicians and suited more to the economy of downstate.
If the state split up, likely state spending and taxes would BOTH decrease a lot in the upstate and western NY regions.
Which would decrease more, and whether that would be a net win for WNY, is unclear and I won't venture a guess. I know people here have different political opinions and it's not the place for a political argument.
Im not sure I agree with this. Proportionally the poverty that drives the mandates is just as present here as it is downstate, maybe more so. There also isn't much wealth upstate like their is downstate proportionally or otherwise.
Not necessarily. It's true that upstate receives more in spending than it pays in taxes, but it's also true that what it does pay in taxes is as much as it is largely because of state mandates (on Medicaid and other programs) which are set mainly by downstate politicians and suited more to the economy of downstate.
If the state split up, likely state spending and taxes would BOTH decrease a lot in the upstate and western NY regions.
Which would decrease more, and whether that would be a net win for WNY, is unclear and I won't venture a guess. I know people here have different political opinions and it's not the place for a political argument.
Im not sure I agree with this. Proportionally the poverty that drives the mandates is just as present here as it is downstate, maybe more so. There also isn't much wealth upstate like their is downstate proportionally or otherwise.
Things like poverty and wealth and such wouldn't change, but almost certainly state-mandated spending would be less (and therefore, local property taxes and sales taxes etc would be less) due to different political sensibilities. Upstate as a whole is more politically moderate and almost certainly would not go forward with such lavish spending on social welfare programs.
Now, whether the current level of spending on Medicaid and the like is necessary and appropriate given the level of poverty upstate is a matter for political debate which I won't get into. I'm just saying that level of spending would likely drop if the state split up, as a prediction of fact.
I think he's essentially saying if WNY seceded we'd get away from all the pesky downstate liberals and their poverty programs. So WNY would lower its taxes because it would more than proportionally cut its spending, regardless of where the poverty is. True or not, it's no longer in the same field of argument we started in.
Public transportation can't help at all since there is no access for it.
I'm not trying to be negative juts realistic. I also don't really want to see land we are finally developing after decades of stagnation turned into a football stadium and parking lots. I'd rather see more public spaces that can be used year round. There are places near the FNC that would make better sense for a football stadium in the city than the Outer Harbor.
I understand what he's saying. And Im saying folks don't fully appreciate how much big institutions in this area rely on that money to exist. (like every hospital group). Its like the Southern States that hate big government and government spending but some of those same states rely more than any other states on federal money and don't seem to realize it. But again this is WAY off topic
I understand what he's saying. And Im saying folks don't fully appreciate how much big institutions in this area rely on that money to exist. (like every hospital group). Its like the Southern States that hate big government and government spending but some of those same states rely more than any other states on federal money and don't seem to realize it. But again this is WAY off topic
Are the really discussing tax rates and spending on the day of arguably the biggest home opener of the past 15 years?
What do you mean by this?
I would certainly be open to considering a wide variety of downtown locations on the water. I must have missed it if we got down to considering just one location in particular, and if the Outer Harbor makes particularly bad sense from a traffic perspective, as well as in the scope of the wider development plan, then I'm sure there are other options.
I just think generally that a waterfront stadium in or within a couple minutes of downtown one way or another would do great things for downtown and the city's image. People think of Buffalo and they don't think of us as having a waterfront at all. 8 nationally televised views of the Lake through the overhead cam pointing through the end zone a year would help change that. I think there has to be a location that could balance traffic impacts with the benefit to our downtown overall.
Bah. Would have liked to see Miami have to deal with the crowd first. Then Spiller takes it out from 5 yards deep instead of eating it. It NEVER works. Down the damn ball!
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