Confirmed Trade: [BUF/WSH] Beck Malenstyn for 2024 2nd round pick (43OA)

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why though? Malenstyn is a very useful NHL role guy. In a good draft sometimes you get to pick more or less safe prospects in the early parts of the 2nd round but looking at previous 43th overalls that's well inside the danger zone where you end up picking busts quite often...probably even more often than not. Historically, what are the odds of a 43th busting? I don't know but my guess would be north of 50%. So again. A 43th overall is just another lottery ticket, Beck Malenstyn is a player.

Why though? Malenstyn is a very useful NHL role guy. In a good draft sometimes you get to pick more or less safe prospects in the early parts of the 2nd round but looking at previous 43th overalls that's well inside the danger zone where you end up picking busts quite often...probably even more often than not. Historically, what are the odds of a 43th busting? I don't know but my guess would be north of 50%. So again. A 43th overall is just another lottery ticket, Beck Malenstyn is a player.

Sure he's an NHL player, that doesn't mean you should trade a 2nd round pick for him.

Andrew Mangipane went for a 2nd round pick,

Matthew Knies was a 2nd round pick 57th overall, baring injury that kid is going to score 20+ goals this year.

Fraser Minten was a 2nd round pick 38th overall he is 2 goals and 4 points behind Malenstyn and he's played 11 games..

PK Subban and Patrice Bergeron both 2nd round picks, one has a Norris, the other owned the Selke trophy.

And then you have Beck Malenstyn, a 4th liner that got a 2nd round pick.

You want to know why you don't trade a 2nd round pick for Beck Malenstyn?

The answer is above, every single player I mentioned is significantly better then Beck Malenstyn will EVER be.

2nd round picks are worth more because they get you more.

Beck Malenstyn is a worth a 4th, MAYBE a 3rd and Buffalo paid a 2nd because Buffalo has no clue what they are doing.

 

[SundherDome]

Sure he's an NHL player, that doesn't mean you should trade a 2nd round pick for him.

Andrew Mangipane went for a 2nd round pick,

Matthew Knies was a 2nd round pick 57th overall, baring injury that kid is going to score 20+ goals this year.

Fraser Minten was a 2nd round pick 38th overall he is 2 goals and 4 points behind Malenstyn and he's played 11 games..

PK Subban and Patrice Bergeron both 2nd round picks, one has a Norris, the other owned the Selke trophy.

And then you have Beck Malenstyn, a 4th liner that got a 2nd round pick.

You want to know why you don't trade a 2nd round pick for Beck Malenstyn?

The answer is above, every single player I mentioned is significantly better then Beck Malenstyn will EVER be.

2nd round picks are worth more because they get you more.

Beck Malenstyn is a worth a 4th, MAYBE a 3rd and Buffalo paid a 2nd because Buffalo has no clue what they are doing.

I'm not sure you realized it but you just walked into the point others are making

 

[Hinterland]

Why pay anything for a completely fungible type of player, the ilk of which you can claim every year off waivers?

And whether the pick is high risk or not, that's not the point. Perhaps there are better players available for pick 43 or for the prospect that you pick there.

Earlier in that draft the Sabres acquired pick 42 for moving down from 11 to 14. They essentially moved down 3 spots in the upper half of the first round for a 4th liner. That's not good value.

The value of a draft pick is partly what you yourself can draft with it, but also what it can fetch from others on the market.

Good luck trying to claim Beck Malenstyn off waivers. He won't hit the waiver wire anytime soon. Again, he's both excellent defensively and a volume hitter. And he's a prolific penalty killer. You don't put such a player on waivers.

 

[Hinterland]

Sure he's an NHL player, that doesn't mean you should trade a 2nd round pick for him.

Andrew Mangipane went for a 2nd round pick,

Matthew Knies was a 2nd round pick 57th overall, baring injury that kid is going to score 20+ goals this year.

Fraser Minten was a 2nd round pick 38th overall he is 2 goals and 4 points behind Malenstyn and he's played 11 games..

PK Subban and Patrice Bergeron both 2nd round picks, one has a Norris, the other owned the Selke trophy.

And then you have Beck Malenstyn, a 4th liner that got a 2nd round pick.

You want to know why you don't trade a 2nd round pick for Beck Malenstyn?

The answer is above, every single player I mentioned is significantly better then Beck Malenstyn will EVER be.

2nd round picks are worth more because they get you more.

Beck Malenstyn is a worth a 4th, MAYBE a 3rd and Buffalo paid a 2nd because Buffalo has no clue what they are doing.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

If the Caps rather want a friggen lottery ticket than an NHL player that is their decision. I'm not saying it can't work. It's highly unlikely but not impossible to hit big with a 43th overall.

But like I said. Even if it ends up working out for the Caps that still doesn't mean it was a bad trade for the Sabres because their draft list is unlikely to match the Caps list.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I agree

People on here seriously overvalue picks roughly 25-55 claiming these players are studs/ stars but it's very rare.

Over half dont see the nhl beyond 20 games let alone er 100 games, and many of those who make it over 100, I consider them replacement level players that will get replaced by not getting a QO and they go with the next prospect

About only about 2-3 a draft in that pick range become an above replacement player


What's also forgotten here is....

before the draft Buffalo traded down in the 1st with San Jose from 11 to 14 ( pittsburgh pick acquired) and 42 (10th in 2nd from New jersey)

Buffalo had 42 and their own at 43.

In sabres eyes It was...

11 and 43 for 14. 42, and Malenstyn

You could question the value, but buffalo targetted a player to change their bottom 6 from last year

On sabres board folks complain he wasnt making trades, then he does , and they still complain, its no win

They traded for McLeod because they wanted a bottom 6 center who has speed and can win draws. They traded a high prospect who I think had a falling out with the club and appears to have dropped down the prospect depth chart after the 24 draft.

Going into this season they had ELCs benson, quinn, peters on the big club at Forward and in the recent drafts they had Rosen, ostlund, kulich, wahlberg, helenius, and a few others. So they had depth

Reason I think there was a falling out'--- in camp for 22/23 Savoie to WHL was one of the last moves made before start.last season you had him and brnson in camp latr into it. Savoie got hurt in camp and went on IR while benson played still deciding on the 9 game try out. Later savoie comes back from injury. He does a short rehab in the A and is dressed for ga game with the Sabres but only does 2-4 shifts for a few minutes and next day sent back to WHL.

I think stuff had been ssid that has not yet been reported which is why he was the one to get traded. It either was in the es rrg ly part of last season snd/ or near the end of last season.

Cool how about Nick Seeler or Noah Gregor for Anton Wahlberg.

1 is a guy drafted between 25 and 55 and has proven nothing.
The other 2 guys are NHL players who have both played over 100 games.

 

[Sensatauro]

wow got the lottery numbers?

This the type of guy to believe that being psychic means..."derp derp, wow lottery numbers?!?"

While having no actual clue of what being psychic means.

But since you asked so nicely

9 11 19 23 27 33 Bonus 44

Congratulations on your win!

 

[toddkaz]

This the type of guy to believe that being psychic means..."derp derp, wow lottery numbers?!?"

While having no actual clue of what being psychic means.

But since you asked so nicely

9 11 19 23 27 33 Bonus 44

Congratulations on your win!

You the one making predictions like that somehow proves your point.

I mean, there is reality then there is psychic like you.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Why pay anything for a completely fungible type of player, the ilk of which you can claim every year off waivers?

Would love to hear your list of players on waivers who are as good or better than Malenstyn?

If you gave every one of Beck’s games last year to Nicholas Aube-Kubel, the Caps don’t make the playoffs.

I think it’s a win-win trade. In a vacuum, it likely doesn’t make sense for outsiders. But given each team’s unique circumstances the deal is a net positive for both orgs.

This the type of guy to believe that being psychic means..."derp derp, wow lottery numbers?!?"

While having no actual clue of what being psychic means.

You’ve got my attention… so what does being psychic actually mean?

 

[Silky mitts]

We started the week with the picks that ended up being Dickinson and Hutson, but left Vegas with Helenius, Kleber, and Malenstyn isn’t a great defense of the trade

 

[Sensatauro]

Would love to hear your list of players on waivers who are as good or better than Malenstyn?

If you gave every one of Beck’s games last year to Nicholas Aube-Kubel, the Caps don’t make the playoffs.

I think it’s a win-win trade. In a vacuum, it likely doesn’t make sense for outsiders. But given each team’s unique circumstances the deal is a net positive for both orgs.


You’ve got my attention… so what does being psychic actually mean?

It's a awareness of the unseen energies of life. It's like being a bridge between the conscious and the subconscious of life if you will.

Actually, everyone is in fact, psychic. Only most don't realize it, but that's an entirely different discussion point.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

We started the week with the picks that ended up being Dickinson and Hutson, but left Vegas with Helenius, Kleber, and Malenstyn isn’t a great defense of the trade

4/5 of this comment is an unknown quantity …so you’re comment doesn’t really defend another pint of view either. Picks don’t happen in a vacuum nor have any guarantees to turn out the way people predict.

 

[Silky mitts]

4/5 of this comment is an unknown quantity …so you’re comment doesn’t really defend another pint of view either. Picks don’t happen in a vacuum nor have any guarantees to turn out the way people predict.

It’s one thing to argue in favor of the known of McLeod where at least he’s a center, a bargain, and playing 15 minutes+, but to be like 2 years of 4th line play from Malenstyn at $1M+ is some valuable commodity is silly

 

[Marshall]

The Caps didn't want to trade him but they would if they got the right offer, which they did.

Untrue.

Ed - True, correction below.

 

[SundherDome]

Untrue.

Capitals GM MacLellan Explains Trading Malenstyn, Said Team Intended To Re-Sign Him: 'We Didn't Want To Move Beck'

 

[Marshall]

Capitals GM MacLellan Explains Trading Malenstyn, Said Team Intended To Re-Sign Him: 'We Didn't Want To Move Beck'

Thank you for the correction.

 

[Djp]

Why pay anything for a completely fungible type of player, the ilk of which you can claim every year off waivers?

And whether the pick is high risk or not, that's not the point. Perhaps there are better players available for pick 43 or for the prospect that you pick there.

Earlier in that draft the Sabres acquired pick 42 for moving down from 11 to 14. They essentially moved down 3 spots in the upper half of the first round for a 4th liner. That's not good value.

The value of a draft pick is partly what you yourself can draft with it, but also what it can fetch from others on the market.

The point is the pick was as place holder to get thr players you target.

Buffalo does not need more drafted players now.

Sure he's an NHL player, that doesn't mean you should trade a 2nd round pick for him.

Andrew Mangipane went for a 2nd round pick,

Matthew Knies was a 2nd round pick 57th overall, baring injury that kid is going to score 20+ goals this year.

Fraser Minten was a 2nd round pick 38th overall he is 2 goals and 4 points behind Malenstyn and he's played 11 games..

PK Subban and Patrice Bergeron both 2nd round picks, one has a Norris, the other owned the Selke trophy.

And then you have Beck Malenstyn, a 4th liner that got a 2nd round pick.

You want to know why you don't trade a 2nd round pick for Beck Malenstyn?

The answer is above, every single player I mentioned is significantly better then Beck Malenstyn will EVER be.

2nd round picks are worth more because they get you more.

Beck Malenstyn is a worth a 4th, MAYBE a 3rd and Buffalo paid a 2nd because Buffalo has no clue what they are doing.

You really want to go doen thud rabbit hole.....


Traded a 1st teice to unload contracts
Traded 2nds for rentals and have nothing to show for it.

We started the week with the picks that ended up being Dickinson and Hutson, but left Vegas with Helenius, Kleber, and Malenstyn isn’t a great defense of the trade

They traded the picks a few weeks before the draft

They did not need snf were never drafting dickinson. they do not need a Hutson type of player

 

[toddkaz]

Two things can be right here.

Malenstyn is a good 4th line player.

The 43rd pick in the draft was a big overpayment.

 

[Beerz]

So we traded for a guy and paid the tax for the other team not wanting to get rid of him. .. I would do this all day if it meant I received my targeted player.

There is a shit ton to dog Kevyn Adams about ... this isn't it.

 

[theVladiator]

Sure he's an NHL player, that doesn't mean you should trade a 2nd round pick for him.

Andrew Mangipane went for a 2nd round pick,

Matthew Knies was a 2nd round pick 57th overall, baring injury that kid is going to score 20+ goals this year.

Fraser Minten was a 2nd round pick 38th overall he is 2 goals and 4 points behind Malenstyn and he's played 11 games..

PK Subban and Patrice Bergeron both 2nd round picks, one has a Norris, the other owned the Selke trophy.

And then you have Beck Malenstyn, a 4th liner that got a 2nd round pick.

You want to know why you don't trade a 2nd round pick for Beck Malenstyn?

The answer is above, every single player I mentioned is significantly better then Beck Malenstyn will EVER be.

2nd round picks are worth more because they get you more.

Beck Malenstyn is a worth a 4th, MAYBE a 3rd and Buffalo paid a 2nd because Buffalo has no clue what they are doing.

I would like to sell you a lottery ticket for $20,000,000. You COULD win $50,000,000 on it, so you can see that this is an AMAZING deal. Please PM me for details.

 

[Silky mitts]

Malenstyn was worth the overpayment because he was targeted by this team and is a culture changer but they only signed him to a 2 year deal when projections were for 3 years and are playing him 10 minutes a night

 

[Beerz]

Malenstyn was worth the overpayment because he was targeted by this team and is a culture changer but they only signed him to a 2 year deal when projections were for 3 years and are playing him 10 minutes a night

Well Buffalo hasn't signed Malenstyn to a contract yet.. sooo... irrelevant?

 

[Chainshot]

Well Buffalo hasn't signed Malenstyn to a contract yet.. sooo... irrelevant?

Buffalo signed him to the 2-year deal.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Is he that much better than Girgensen? The pick isn't a big deal; but they could have gotten a better player in a separate trade. Save up the assets, its never unlimited.

 

[Beerz]

Is he that much better than Girgensen? The pick isn't a big deal; but they could have gotten a better player in a separate trade. Save up the assets, its never unlimited.

Different player. Girgensons better at some things.. Beck better at others. Love Girgs but I take Beck

Buffalo signed him to the 2-year deal.

Completely forgot about that.

 

[stephenball]

I’m happy with the trade as a Caps fan, Hutson looks like he can be a real player. But I think people are being a little too hard on the Sabres. Beck is a good player who can certainly help a team (I think people undervalue the impact of truly good fourth line players).

Also with Buffalo unfortunately not being a top free agent destination sometimes you have to pay a bit more to get the players you want.