Value of: [BUF/TBL] Alex Tuch to Tampa Bay

[CowbellConray]

If I HAD to deal Tuch:

Tuch + Lafferty
for
Geekie + Cernak + 2025 2nd

That's what I would start with. Top 4 defensive D, prospect with 2nd line Center potential, 2nd round pick in 2025

EDIT: And to add, IDK that I would even accept that as a Sabres fan. That's just what I would sit with in my head as the basis of a deal.

 

[TageGod]

Cirelli

 

[StrompTroller]

Cirelli or bust for me

 

[Djp]

If I HAD to deal Tuch:

Tuch + Lafferty
for
Geekie + Cernak + 2025 2nd

That's what I would start with. Top 4 defensive D, prospect with 2nd line Center potential, 2nd round pick in 2025

EDIT: And to add, IDK that I would even accept that as a Sabres fan. That's just what I would sit with in my head as the basis of a deal.

I wouldnt.

Cernak contract concerns me as being an anchor.

Raddish
Geekie
Gonclaves

Not even close

Buffalo has a deep prosprctU23 pool

 

[Rschmitz]

If Buffalo wants any Tampa roster players they'll have to wait until the draft.

 

[StrompTroller]

Why does buffalo have to wait they aren't the ones inquiring in this thread?

If Buffalo wants any Tampa roster players they'll have to wait until the draft.

 

[Panthaz89]

Depending on the supporting pieces in the deal yes. Spence is 4+ years younger than Tuch and Kempe.


Those are all LHD. Doesn't Buffalo want to add RHD and C as current positions of weakness?

We already have a stupid young core of defenseman and we already know how dumb it is when all of your best Dman are 24 and younger.

 

[Rschmitz]

Why does buffalo have to wait they aren't the ones inquiring in this thread?

It's not that complicated. If Buffalo wants roster players in exchange for Tuch, it'll have to wait until the offseason since of the teams is actually competing. The fact that we are asking about him doesn't change that.

 

[BoltSTH]

Bolts don't want another Jeannot type overpayment. The need is 1 or 2 bottom 6 forwards

 

[StrompTroller]

It's not that complicated. If Buffalo wants roster players in exchange for Tuch, it'll have to wait until the offseason since of the teams is actually competing. The fact that we are asking about him doesn't change that.

My point is buffalo doesn't seem to want to trade him so they are fine walking away. I get your point trust me. It's just irrelevant to the sabres position currently and one would assume they go into the draft/offseason looking to actually get better which trading tuch for anything short of...cirelli won't address for them...

 

[Rschmitz]

My point is buffalo doesn't seem to want to trade him so they are fine walking away. I get your point trust me. It's just irrelevant to the sabres position currently and one would assume they go into the draft/offseason looking to actually get better which trading tuch for anything short of...cirelli won't address for them...

I’ve seen several posts on this thread inquiring about Cernak and Cirelli. Those guys could be available, but not right now, so I don’t think it’s irrelevant to talk about with the caveat that it wouldn’t happen until after the season. Even if you all are supremely dedicated to keeping Tuch with his contract situation, other deals could happen instead

 

[bov]

There is some serious delusion from Buffalo fans in here, wow. Some of the worst valuations I have seen, it's actually impressive.

 

[truthbluth]

There is some serious delusion from Buffalo fans in here, wow. Some of the worst valuations I have seen, it's actually impressive.

Bruh, you've got a local boy, fan favorite, on a great contract and one of the few guys who actually competes and all we've said is, "not available."
You want him that bad, it'd take Cirelli or Cernak plus. Don't want that? Fine. See ya.

 

[Petes2424]

Tuch would be a great get for anyone but Buffalo needs more Tuch types, not less.

If they move him, they’re proving they have no idea what to do with that roster.

 

[bov]

Bruh, you've got a local boy, fan favorite, on a great contract and one of the few guys who actually competes and all we've said is, "not available."
You want him that bad, it'd take Cirelli or Cernak plus. Don't want that? Fine. See ya.

Adams would take some of these deals that you guys are declining in a heartbeat, and it would be robbery for Buffalo. It's funny stuff to read.

 

[truthbluth]

Adams would take some of these deals that you guys are declining in a heartbeat, and it would be robbery for Buffalo. It's funny stuff to read.

I dare to explain exactly one of these offers Adams would take "in a heartbeat".

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Oh no. Here we go again

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

How fun. Tuch not for sale for prospects. Look at the Sabres prospect pipeline and ask yourself whether your bullshit offer has any value.

Well dang. If Buffalo has all the young players they need, why trade Tuch for any NHL level player? Wait it out and let your prospects develop. Find your solutions from within. Or trade the prospects. Unless of course no one in Buffalo trusts that as a solution because it really is "that bad". In which case we can stop pretending Buffalo has any sort of leverage if a team comes a-knocking.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Adams would take some of these deals that you guys are declining in a heartbeat, and it would be robbery for Buffalo. It's funny stuff to read.

Which deals? There are absolutely some Sabres fans that have some asinine takes, there's always a few in every thread. That said we don't want or need late 1st round picks in a poor draft and your prospect pool is rather shallow. Geekie and Howard are good, but Buffalo is loaded with forward prospects, we're already looking at this logjam and trying to figure out how we work these guys into the lineup going forward. The value offered by you guys might be close to what it takes to acquire Tuch in a vacuum, problem is trades aren't made in a vacuum you have to actually offer something that Buffalo needs.

Well dang. If Buffalo has all the young players they need, why trade Tuch for any NHL level player? Wait it out and let your prospects develop. Find your solutions from within. Or trade the prospects. Unless of course no one in Buffalo trusts that as a solution because it really is "that bad". In which case we can stop pretending Buffalo has any sort of leverage if a team comes a-knocking.

I don't follow your logic. Buffalo absolutely has a loaded farm system. They should let the prospects slow cook and also try to trade some in a larger deal for an established player. They need vets to contribute and insulate these young guys in the worst way. As fans we have absolutely no idea what kind of leverage Buffalo has with Tuch. If he wants to stay here or they can get a large bidding war going they probably have a lot (which is what many fans are assuming) right now that seems to be the case. Tuch is an awesome player on a really cheap contract. I'd imagine most of the league would be interested in him. If he wants out that leverage diminishes as the contract gets closer to expiring, in which case they'll be forced to take the type of quantity offers TB fans seem to want to offer.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Well dang. If Buffalo has all the young players they need, why trade Tuch for any NHL level player? Wait it out and let your prospects develop. Find your solutions from within. Or trade the prospects. Unless of course no one in Buffalo trusts that as a solution because it really is "that bad". In which case we can stop pretending Buffalo has any sort of leverage if a team comes a-knocking.

Your team has back to back Stanley Cups, two other Cup Final appearances, and just three playoff misses in the period since the Sabres last appeared in the playoffs. I don't think Bolts fans can understand our position (and that's alright, we are the joke franchise of the NHL and nobody needs to be paying attention to our situation).

The sport is also a business. If the NHL roster takes a step back (and trading Tuch for prospects obviously makes the team worse today), NOBODY will show up in October.

And we frequently hear "well you can flip those futures for another established player." Again, a situation Bolts fans can't really relate to - we are likely on nearly every no trade list out there. Our GM, in all his stupidity, has even (correctly) said "we don't have palm trees or low taxes" here. We are basically only picking from established players with no trade protection - which is itself a severely limited list.

Trading a local guy who wants to be here, on a reasonable contract, who fills a role both our roster and our prospect pool lacks? Yeah your meh futures offers are rightfully going to be met with disinterest.

 

[Rschmitz]

Your team has back to back Stanley Cups, two other Cup Final appearances, and just three playoff misses in the period since the Sabres last appeared in the playoffs. I don't think Bolts fans can understand our position (and that's alright, we are the joke franchise of the NHL and nobody needs to be paying attention to our situation).

The sport is also a business. If the NHL roster takes a step back (and trading Tuch for prospects obviously makes the team worse today), NOBODY will show up in October.

And we frequently hear "well you can flip those futures for another established player." Again, a situation Bolts fans can't really relate to - we are likely on nearly every no trade list out there. Our GM, in all his stupidity, has even (correctly) said "we don't have palm trees or low taxes" here. We are basically only picking from established players with no trade protection - which is itself a severely limited list.

Trading a local guy who wants to be here, on a reasonable contract, who fills a role both our roster and our prospect pool lacks? Yeah your meh futures offers are rightfully going to be met with disinterest.

As a long time Lightning fan I have to laugh at this. Ya'll have no idea how good you have it, you have a stacked roster of young talent and have a legitimate shot of making the playoffs every year just based on league parity. The fact that ya'll still get emotional over losing a decent roster player means you haven't suffered enough. We were once the worst run professional team in all of North American sports. From 1998-2001 we had like .250 winning percentage and -400 goal differential. One first round exit in a decade of existence. A legitimate joke in every sense, and not just by chance. Our owner had to beg banks for money just so we could pay our players midseason.

Whatever stigma ya'll think you have with no palm trees and taxes, we had it infinitely worse as an extremely cheap non-traditional hockey market. Whenever we'd draft and develop a young star, we couldn't keep them, ever. At least you have star young players to look forward to, money to pay them, and free agency. We had a collection of AHL scrubs. So yeah, I think I understand your pain a little. Nice little witty name btw

 

[CowbellConray]

Tampa fans - we want Tuch! What would it take?

Buffalo Fans - an overpay as Tuch is a valuable piece to the franchise and we need to be competitive. If we were to deal him it would need to be for roster players as we need to make the playoffs as soon as possible

Tampa fans - what players? How about Goncalves and Raddysh!

Buffalo - try Cernak or Cirelli plus to make us interested. Likely not a good trade partner fit

Tampa fans - you guys know nothing. Your GM would gladly take these deals and you guys don’t know pain. We were bad once *polishes multiple Stanley cup rings after typing*

I mean come on guys. Buffalo’s situation is so nuanced. We have an owner who refuses to spend, and has tried investing in youth. We have had 3 separate rebuilds over the past decade. We have seen 4 players traded from this team who have gone on to raise the cup. We hear story after story about how players don’t like being in Buffalo, they mock the city and its fans. The GM brings excuse after excuse, but if we fire him we move to another GM who will elongate the drought further. Right now, with the youngest team in the league, trading for Geekie or Howard puts us into a situation where we are even younger and have to push guys up the lineup.

The Sabres need to win. Howard and Geekie or picks do not do that. It’s simply a non starter