Proposal: Buf/NYR

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Nash is the type of player who could plummet. Given his past season he could easily be a player who struggles just to get to 10 goals. St $8M that is big trouble.

Rangers fans keep thinking he will get real assets based on his past production.

Stall may be fine next season...but given his term he has negative value. Its not t Stats. I am one who feel once a player hits 28 he doula be limited to 3/4 yr max contract length

Nash had literally one bad season and all of a sudden he is Dany Heatley v2 at 32 years old with 2 years left on his deal. This isn't Shea Weber who you'd have until 42.

Staal at $5.7 is a risk/reward deal. Yes, in 2021 it could look bad or he could be a solid top 4 and at that price it isn't awful.

But the whole point of this trade is what Buffalo is giving up. Moulson, Kane, and Franson. Find me one Buffalo fan who is dying to keep any of them. Buffalo is making out like bandits in any deal that involves the three of them.

My guess Murray would is considering the future deals of Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, and Girgensons. Assuming they are the future of the team and all get 6-8 year deals, then the Sabres have their core (plus ROR, Bogosian, and Okposo) and can only afford 1-2 year rentals after that.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Nash is the type of player who could plummet. Given his past season he could easily be a player who struggles just to get to 10 goals. St $8M that is big trouble.

Rangers fans keep thinking he will get real assets based on his past production.

Stall may be fine next season...but given his term he has negative value. Its not t Stats. I am one who feel once a player hits 28 he doula be limited to 3/4 yr max contract length

Based off what can you possibly say There is a good chance Nash could struggle to get 10 goals?

While being hurt for most of the season and playing 60 games he scored 15. Off season reports show him as healthy and has extra rest this summer due to the Rangers early playoff exit.

There is a much greater probability that he has a solid season then a worse one.

 

[Djp]

Nash had literally one bad season and all of a sudden he is Dany Heatley v2 at 32 years old with 2 years left on his deal. This isn't Shea Weber who you'd have until 42.

Staal at $5.7 is a risk/reward deal. Yes, in 2021 it could look bad or he could be a solid top 4 and at that price it isn't awful.

But the whole point of this trade is what Buffalo is giving up. Moulson, Kane, and Franson. Find me one Buffalo fan who is dying to keep any of them. Buffalo is making out like bandits in any deal that involves the three of them.

My guess Murray would is considering the future deals of Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, and Girgensons. Assuming they are the future of the team and all get 6-8 year deals, then the Sabres have their core (plus ROR, Bogosian, and Okposo) and can only afford 1-2 year rentals after that.

There is s ton of uncertainty with Nash. At that cap hit he is
There is a high risk he it healthy 2.0. Having 2 yrs left does not matter.
Staal will not be a top 4 in 2021

Moulson has 3 yrs
Kane has 2
Fransn n has 1

Vs Stasl having 5 yrs

Buffalo does not want that dead weight on their roster then. They have a young core of players drafted from 2013-2016 who some will be due high contracts in 2020.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This is the moment in the thread in which someone throws out the obligatory horrible counter offer, you know the one, all of my bad players for all of your good ones....

Marc Staal, 1.7 retained for Eichel

 

[Djp]

Based off what can you possibly say There is a good chance Nash could struggle to get 10 goals?

While being hurt for most of the season and playing 60 games he scored 15. Off season reports show him as healthy and has extra rest this summer due to the Rangers early playoff exit.

There is a much greater probability that he has a solid season then a worse one.

Rose colored glasses.......what will the next powerball numbers be tonight?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Buffalo needs to trade for Skapski, our Sabre killer...

 

[Ace]

Buffalo doesn't make a good trade partner for Nash anymore. After they sign their rfas they won't have the disposable cap room this year. Money would need to go out in the deal and the whole point is the Rangers wanting to shed cap.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Rose colored glasses.......what will the next powerball numbers be tonight?

Do you think the Sabres will make the playoffs this year?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Rose colored glasses.......what will the next powerball numbers be tonight?

How is it rose colored glasses? While it would have been a down season in Rick Nash terms, he was on pace for 21 goals if he played the full 82. No where struggling to hit 10. Your comment has no merit or statistical backing.

Id rather the Rangers hold him until around the trade deadline when he is owed less cash and has a better season then last.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

How is it rose colored glasses? While it would have been a down season in Rick Nash terms, he was on pace for 21 goals if he played the full 82. No where struggling to hit 10. Your comment has no merit or statistical backing.

Id rather the Rangers hold him until around the trade deadline when he is owed less cash and has a better season then last.

Exactly. That guy is talking out of his ass. Trying to say Staal has no value as well. I would trade Moulson, Kane, and Franson for Nash and Staal right now if possible. A bunch of crap/baggage for two guys who had off years and could easily bounce back.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

There is s ton of uncertainty with Nash. At that cap hit he is
There is a high risk he it healthy 2.0. Having 2 yrs left does not matter.
Staal will not be a top 4 in 2021

Moulson has 3 yrs
Kane has 2
Fransn n has 1

Vs Stasl having 5 yrs

Buffalo does not want that dead weight on their roster then. They have a young core of players drafted from 2013-2016 who some will be due high contracts in 2020.

What uncertainty is there in Nash? Two years for a past and potentially again 30-50 goal scorer. That sounds like a calculated risk and worst case hes gone after two years or you trade at the deadline for someone who will overpay with picks for him.

Moulson is worthless. Kane is high risk/high reward. Franson is worthless.

Staal, again had one off season and the Sabres are 1-2 solid dmen and a goalie away from being a playoff team. Staal has the potential to be 1 of those dmen. Certainly a huge upgrade over Franson.

Nash and Staal = dead weight in the NHL apparently

 

[tsujimoto74]

What uncertainty is there in Nash? Two years for a past and potentially again 30-50 goal scorer. That sounds like a calculated risk and worst case hes gone after two years or you trade at the deadline for someone who will overpay with picks for him.

Moulson is worthless. Kane is high risk/high reward. Franson is worthless.

Staal, again had one off season and the Sabres are 1-2 solid dmen and a goalie away from being a playoff team. Staal has the potential to be 1 of those dmen. Certainly a huge upgrade over Franson.

Nash and Staal = dead weight in the NHL apparently

"Upgrade over Franson" isn't saying much. Staal just isn't the player he use to be, and his contract is absolutely horrible. If it had 1-2 years left on it, sure, I'd take the flyer. He's got a ton of years left, a much higher cap hit than he's worth, and an NMC. I'm not touching that with a 10' pole.

 

[Djp]

What uncertainty is there in Nash? Two years for a past and potentially again 30-50 goal scorer. That sounds like a calculated risk and worst case hes gone after two years or you trade at the deadline for someone who will overpay with picks for him.

Moulson is worthless. Kane is high risk/high reward. Franson is worthless.

Staal, again had one off season and the Sabres are 1-2 solid dmen and a goalie away from being a playoff team. Staal has the potential to be 1 of those dmen. Certainly a huge upgrade over Franson.

Nash and Staal = dead weight in the NHL apparently

Stasl for 1 yr would be better than Franson...but he has forever left on his contract, while Franson has just 1 yr.

Kane >> Nash

You are clueless if you think buffalo was only 1 or 2 Dmen and a goalie away.

Buffalo finished 6 games behind Detroit for 3rd place and a playoff spot
Their GA was middle of the pack in the NHL...equivalent to the bottom half of playoff teams.
Their GF was bottom 5 in the NHL.

They increase their offense they likely win 7-9 games they came away with no points/1pt and have a good shot to make the playoffs.

 

[JT Kreider]

Stasl for 1 yr would be better than Franson...but he has forever left on his contract, while Franson has just 1 yr.

Kane >> Nash

You are clueless if you think buffalo was only 1 or 2 Dmen and a goalie away.

Buffalo finished 6 games behind Detroit for 3rd place and a playoff spot
Their GA was middle of the pack in the NHL...equivalent to the bottom half of playoff teams.
Their GF was bottom 5 in the NHL.

They increase their offense they likely win 7-9 games they came away with no points/1pt and have a good shot to make the playoffs.

Kane>> Nash and you're calling people clueless...

 

[Ace]

I mean...people have seen Nash's contract right?

They make these values as if he isn't on a hilariously high price tag per year.

"But he can maybe still be good"

Man...for that price he has to be no doubt great.

Let's start factoring in that there's more to it than the play

 

[JT Kreider]

I mean...people have seen Nash's contract right?

They make these values as if he isn't on a hilariously high price tag per year.

"But he can maybe still be good"

Man...for that price he has to be no doubt great.

Let's start factoring in that there's more to it than the play

So we retain on Nash for a million. Now he's making less than a million more than Kyle Okposo who is definitely not no doubt great.

 

[jw2]

Nash had literally one bad season and all of a sudden he is Dany Heatley v2 at 32 years old with 2 years left on his deal. This isn't Shea Weber who you'd have until 42.

Staal at $5.7 is a risk/reward deal. Yes, in 2021 it could look bad or he could be a solid top 4 and at that price it isn't awful.

But the whole point of this trade is what Buffalo is giving up. Moulson, Kane, and Franson. Find me one Buffalo fan who is dying to keep any of them. Buffalo is making out like bandits in any deal that involves the three of them.

My guess Murray would is considering the future deals of Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, and Girgensons. Assuming they are the future of the team and all get 6-8 year deals, then the Sabres have their core (plus ROR, Bogosian, and Okposo) and can only afford 1-2 year rentals after that.

I'm confused... Didn't YOU start this thread??

What an awful trade for Nash. This is terrible.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

This is insanely bad for buffalo.....they give up the top 3 pieces in this s deal.

The way I see it, its good for both teams. In two years, the only contract Buffalo will have is two years of a 4 million dollar Steal. In three years all the Rangers will have is the 1.75 cap retention. Buffalo can put Nash with Eichel and see if he can score again. Buffalo follows what the Ducks do and have 3 good not great D men on the left .but Rangers get a good prospect and a extra draft pick.

 

[Chainshot]

Buffalo doesn't make a good trade partner for Nash anymore. After they sign their rfas they won't have the disposable cap room this year. Money would need to go out in the deal and the whole point is the Rangers wanting to shed cap.

Indeed. Okposo's contract would have been the cap space for any sort of Nash deal prior to UFA starting. Now... nope.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Stasl for 1 yr would be better than Franson...but he has forever left on his contract, while Franson has just 1 yr.

Kane >> Nash

You are clueless if you think buffalo was only 1 or 2 Dmen and a goalie away.

Buffalo finished 6 games behind Detroit for 3rd place and a playoff spot
Their GA was middle of the pack in the NHL...equivalent to the bottom half of playoff teams.
Their GF was bottom 5 in the NHL.

They increase their offense they likely win 7-9 games they came away with no points/1pt and have a good shot to make the playoffs.

6 games behind or 6 points behind Detroit. The game is hockey not baseball.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

How is it rose colored glasses? While it would have been a down season in Rick Nash terms, he was on pace for 21 goals if he played the full 82. No where struggling to hit 10. Your comment has no merit or statistical backing.

Id rather the Rangers hold him until around the trade deadline when he is owed less cash and has a better season then last.

Nash could score 10 goals blind, literally.

 

[JT Kreider]

Nash is the type of player who could plummet. Given his past season he could easily be a player who struggles just to get to 10 goals. St $8M that is big trouble.

Rangers fans keep thinking he will get real assets based on his past production.

Stall may be fine next season...but given his term he has negative value. Its not t Stats. I am one who feel once a player hits 28 he doula be limited to 3/4 yr max contract length

Well what else are we supposed to base his value on ?

Every players value is based on their past production. Not their future production which is impossible to predict.

 

[Beacon]

There is s ton of uncertainty with Nash.

Nash is one of the power risk players out there. He's been pretty healthy through his career, and he's so good all-around, even when he doesn't score, he's useful.

Gaborik was a very high risk guy because of career-long injuries and the fact that he was useless any game he didn't score. He was going through a worse year than Nash.

Yet, because of a history of scoring 30-40 goals, Gaborik brought back a young second liner, a young fourth liner and a young third pair defenseman.

Nash will bring back more.

 

[Shootertooter]

Nash is the type of player who could plummet. Given his past season he could easily be a player who struggles just to get to 10 goals. St $8M that is big trouble.

Rangers fans keep thinking he will get real assets based on his past production.

Stall may be fine next season...but given his term he has negative value. Its not t Stats. I am one who feel once a player hits 28 he doula be limited to 3/4 yr max contract length

The guy got injured and missed 6 weeks. Does anyone really think he will only score 10 goals? Not taking his injury into account and dismissing him as washed up is simply absurd and unintelligible.

He had a concussion and missed significant time 3 seasons ago and came back to score 42 goals. Since that is factual, it might be prudent to give him the benefit of the doubt to expect that he will have a pretty decent season.

 

[JT Kreider]

Nash is one of the power risk players out there. He's been pretty healthy through his career, and he's so good all-around, even when he doesn't score, he's useful.

Gaborik was a very high risk guy because of career-long injuries and the fact that he was useless any game he didn't score. He was going through a worse year than Nash.

Yet, because of a history of scoring 30-40 goals, Gaborik brought back a young second liner, a young fourth liner and a young third pair defenseman.

Nash will bring back more.

This dude first says that there is a ton of uncertainty with Nash.

Then he says that Kane>>Nash.

Kane is literally one of the NHL players who has the most uncertain of futures. It's more likely Kane does something stupid and ruins his life than it is likely he ever puts it together.